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Its so misleading to have end credits after first playthrough of Nier: Automata
- Thread starter JayWood2010
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Some people really can't handle a work toying with their expectations, eh? Your loss I guess, those were by far my favorite parts of NieR: A.
One reading of the works of Yoko Taro when taken as a whole is that; Humans are flawed creatures, who are doomed to make the same mistakes they have always made for all of eternity.
In Drakengard, through all of the playthroughs, you attempt many different strategies to ending the war.
In Nier, you complete the game, the ending is relatively happy and the credits roll.
Automata continues this, where Ending A has a rather happy outcome.
Roll credits, everything is good.
The credits play after Route A and Route B for a reason. Because sometimes life makes you think the worst is over, but it really, really isn't.
In Drakengard, through all of the playthroughs, you attempt many different strategies to ending the war.
But no matter what, millions of lives are lost, and you always fail to save Furiae.
You are then forced to repeat everything you did before, but with full context of everything that happened to humanity, and are forced to realise that you really haven't saved anyone at all. Yonah will eventually succumb to the Black Scrawl. And in time, so will everyone.
Automata continues this, where Ending A has a rather happy outcome.
You beat the machine lifeforms, 9S is still alive, and it looks like the eternal war is over!
But everything is not good, the war is not over. Part of the reason that you have to replay part of the game is to reinforce the neverending cycles of violence and war that we live in. This is one reason that Ending E is as powerful as it is, it's a direct rejection of the idea that humans are perpetually stuck in the horrible ways we have set ourselves in, and that we can make a better world.
The credits play after Route A and Route B for a reason. Because sometimes life makes you think the worst is over, but it really, really isn't.
Wait are you saying that a Yoko Taro game might incorporate its themes directly into the gameplay and the structure of the game?
That's impossible. He only does it because he's malicious and doesn't respect the people who play his games.
I only finished it once. So I should just play through it again? Is it new game plus? Do I keep my chips, etc?
You are not even half way through the game. 2nd route is similar to 1 with some new story revelations but it's worth it because 3rd route is where the real game is.
And yes you keep all your chips and upgrades from previous routes.
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Route A is literally the first third of the game. You keep your levels, items, chips, and completed quests. Then you get ending B, keep playing and the real game begins in Route C
Yup. If someone didn't enjoy it by end of A, why would they by the end of B? I thought B was a slog and couldn't wait for it to be over. The hacking got old real quick. I got to Route C but stopped for some reason. i should get back to finishing it.
If I see the word "slog" one more time I'm gonna say some things that'll probably get me banned.
It's literally new game plus. And yes, you keep all your items except key items
I loved NieR Automata. I don't see an issue with it because the internet will tell you that there is something after. I would have been satisfied after ending A anyway.
My only gripe is that I still firmly believe it wasn't warranted to play the whole campaign with 9S, the emotional attachment and impact isn't as strong as if it just focused on the moments where 9S' perspective was relevant and interesting. The amount of downtime in ending B cheapens the impact of the character and the campaign as a whole. I unfortunately didn't feel anything during ending C because the replay made the dramatic moments too few and far between and I needed some time to refocus myself into the narrative whereas ending C is going full speed immediately.
My only gripe is that I still firmly believe it wasn't warranted to play the whole campaign with 9S, the emotional attachment and impact isn't as strong as if it just focused on the moments where 9S' perspective was relevant and interesting. The amount of downtime in ending B cheapens the impact of the character and the campaign as a whole. I unfortunately didn't feel anything during ending C because the replay made the dramatic moments too few and far between and I needed some time to refocus myself into the narrative whereas ending C is going full speed immediately.
Yeah, I love stuff like this and always have.
Someone get one of those silly reaction vid accounts do one where 'young' millennials play Maximum Carnage final boss.
The game literally has a freaking "KEEP PLAYING" screen after that, it's fine.
Have you played other Yoko Taro games? this is a thing he's already done in other games and so far it's not a problem(Drakengard 1, Drakengard 2, Nier, and Nier Automata).
Also, a big thing is NOT KNOWING what's coming next, telling you that Route C is a continuation would suck.
Have you played other Yoko Taro games? this is a thing he's already done in other games and so far it's not a problem(Drakengard 1, Drakengard 2, Nier, and Nier Automata).
Also, a big thing is NOT KNOWING what's coming next, telling you that Route C is a continuation would suck.
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Route B is 100% worth it and only escalated my love of the game after A until Ending CDE cemented it as my number 2 favorite of all time.
I was happy it had end credits after the first playthrough! As much as I loved the game it is one of only a handful of games that gave me motion sickness/dizziness while playing. It says a lot about how much I loved it that I finished the first playthrough. I tried continuing but decided to just watch a recap of the remaining playthroughs.
I guess I am in minority but I really loved route B. I had played NieR 1 so I knew I had to go through major portion again but they achieved it in a really cool way in this game. They tried to keep it as different as possible. I loved the new story revelations and I was really into the story by the end of 2nd route(not so much by the end of route A) . Also I had done major part of side quests by route A so route B took me like 3-4 hours max. And then shit goes insane in route C.
Overall I liked NieR 1 more than automata in terms of story, music and characters but still Automata is my favourite game of this gen after bloodborne.
Overall I liked NieR 1 more than automata in terms of story, music and characters but still Automata is my favourite game of this gen after bloodborne.
Imagine if it was like Drakengard/Nier in which you had to do all the subquests to get all the weapons to get the C/D endings, we'd get threads about it in here. Now that would be polarizing.
They made it so easy for Automata, just keep playing.
You didn't finish the game if you only saw Ending A, it's literally not the ending of the game.
The "Ending" is Ending
E
I was getting bored as the relevant setpieces were few and far between, 9S also isn't as interesting as 2B both mechanically and narratively until you get to ending C. They could have just made ellipses during the relevant scenes where he matters and it would have been even better for me.
No it just tricked you into thinking that it was
a hell of a lot longer
With my backlog and all my other hobbies why would I waste my limited time on something as terrible as Route B?
I played it for about 30 minutes and bailed.
Lol you bailed on it despite that fact that the first 30 minutes of it are completely new content?
Like I said, a baby.
I mean, can't you? Am I missing something here? That's exactly what I did after the bad end.
Honestly I wasn't enthused with Route A either. It's just a bad game outside of the amazing soundtrack.
Another one of those things about Nier threads, people saying that Route B is terrible and then afterwards saying that they didn't like the game to begin with, like, no wonders you aren't gonna enjoy Route B then.
This.
It's literally not new game plus, it's literally just the second act of a game with multiple acts.
This too.
Route B was great.
It's literally new game plus with a new story. It is still a new game+ since you access data through new game and your latest save file like any other new game+
You seriously calling people babies because they didn't like your precious anime game?
I'm torn on whether or not I'd consider it "misleading." Like, it kind of is, but in a playful, knowing way, something that would (hopefully) elicit an "oh, cool" once you progress.
I imagine Route B going through a lot of the same events is probably more offputting/misleading for some than the "false" ending in itself. Unless you already know what the structure of the game is, it really does give the impression of being a normal kind of NG+. I had a couple friends who stopped playing once route B settled into its largely familiar middle part.
See also: Undertale
I imagine Route B going through a lot of the same events is probably more offputting/misleading for some than the "false" ending in itself. Unless you already know what the structure of the game is, it really does give the impression of being a normal kind of NG+. I had a couple friends who stopped playing once route B settled into its largely familiar middle part.
See also: Undertale
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This is literally a perfect example of why the structure of the game and how Chapter A is presented as an ending is a disservice to the game. It doesn't pick up until close to the end of Chapter B. Compared to the original Nier's pacing and extra endings, it is extremely different.
And yes, playing through Chapter B is a bit of a chore because 9S is not nearly as fun to fight as, hacking is too easy, simple and repetitive, not to mention quite OP.
Really every new level in any video game is just a new game + of the first level, if you think about it.
(What are you talking about?)
Yep I assumed C would be A2's perspective during A and B, though at the time hard to imagine since she had so little overlap with the characters....then oh wait it takes place after whaaaaaaat
DoD/Nier Games are the following:
Play it once, get a shallow understanding of the story.
Keep playing, get context for everything you just played and things become much darker and more serious.
Keep playing and everything becomes a glorious mindfuck and you're bawling your eyes out and are putting the game at the top of your personal favorites list.
If someone's favorite game series is Madden they're not going to appreciate this and it's okay, not every game is for everyone.
People who are like "I'd like the series if it was something else instead" need to get the fuck over their FOMO.
Play it once, get a shallow understanding of the story.
Keep playing, get context for everything you just played and things become much darker and more serious.
Keep playing and everything becomes a glorious mindfuck and you're bawling your eyes out and are putting the game at the top of your personal favorites list.
If someone's favorite game series is Madden they're not going to appreciate this and it's okay, not every game is for everyone.
People who are like "I'd like the series if it was something else instead" need to get the fuck over their FOMO.
I call people who try to use "anime" as an insult much worse things
I actually wish I hadn't heard all the praise for route c. I would love to have had this experience.
Game doesn't need anymore than that. If you want more of the story then keep playing. That simpleI think it's explicit enough in the way it says that there are more story content to be discovered by playing through the game again : "several storylines" and "many story elements".
This game has one the hardest decision endings I had to do.
I had to be selfish by the way.. (no spoilers)
:-(
I had to be selfish by the way.. (no spoilers)
:-(
I gave it up instantly. I knew I wasn't going to go back and finish the random few sidequests I didn't do/achievement hunt. I had a hunch what the game was going to ask me before I went down the E route anyway, so it wasn't a sudden shock or anything.
To be honest, this is one of the reasons why I haven't really bothered with it. I don't like the idea of playing through a game multiple times and have heard that the second play through is very similar to the first.
I did borrow the game once, and played the start, but I was burned out and found it to be overly weird at first.
I did borrow the game once, and played the start, but I was burned out and found it to be overly weird at first.
That's the main point of route A. But you have to play Route B to know that.