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Instro

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Oct 25, 2017
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Maybe I've missed something, but isn't this already resolved? The water levels were back under the FDA standards a year or so ago.
 

Deleted member 18568

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That's cool but I wish people like him and Gates and Buffet would give more money to political causes that would result in lasting and more foundational change instead of simply addressing the symptoms of broken governments.

This is completely backwards.

Modern politics has done nothing to address root problems.

Meanwhile:

Bill Gates is literally funding and curing human society of entire diseases like polio.

Musk is changing how businesses and societies consume energy at a systemic level with Tesla and Solar City.

Al Gore accomplished jack shit in office but has been more effective than anyone on the planet at raising awareness at national and grass roots levels for action against global climate change.

Signing money over Carte Blanche to politicians is what the KOCH BROTHERS do, because they don't give a shit about leading by example. See how that works out.

These guys made billions of dollars. Gates and Buffet are giving it ALL away. Buffet doesn't even want a memorial fund in his name for his charity. Everyone here is also pledging to give away 99% of their wealth, right?

These people are actively helping through action and it should be encouraged, especially in this shitty political clinate. Stop whining about purity on social media and join them doing something to make the world better.

Jesus, some people on this forum.
 
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gutshot

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Oct 25, 2017
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Huh? Did I miss the sudden hate on Elon Musk?

Guy has spent his life combating the systemic influence of old finance (anyone use PayPal?), oil & gas (Tesla) and shrinking national space and science budgets (Space X, Solar City).

Now he's pledging to help people in Flint (when Trump apparently doesn't give a shit), and Era is dog piling. What's going on?

The hate has been steadily building for a while now. First it was his anti-labor stances, then him joining Trump's committees and being one of the last to leave, them he started doing vanity projects like the Not-A-Flamethrower, then he had some real bad anti-journalist takes, and then recently the Thai rescue "sub". Add to that Tesla's struggles to meet deadlines with the Model 3 and his non-stop tweeting and inserting himself in so many different stories and people are just getting tired of him.

Personally, I think the good he is trying to do with Tesla and especially SpaceX outweigh the bad. He is doing more to help the human race than pretty much any other billionaire CEO on Earth. It's just hard for people to wrap their head around the idea that humans could go extinct and for humanity to live on, we have to become a multi-planet species. I only wish he would let a social media manager run his Twitter and he just focused on getting us to Mars.
 

rsfour

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Oct 26, 2017
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It's embarrassing that there hasn't been enough people fucking locked up for what has been happening to the people of Flint for years.

And that nothing has been done about the situation either.
 

ZackieChan

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Oct 27, 2017
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Government contractors are a whole other problem. If we actually had funding to employ large enough infrastructure jobs we wouldn't need the money burning scheme of government contracting
Not sure I trust the government doing it themselves, either.
Most sane people just want the billioners taxed at the same rate as poor people. Because even that doesn't happen.
This I can get behind.

??

Get a clue.

Are you a Republican? Because you just did exactly what Republicans do- point to how shitty the government is when Republicans are in charge and say "Look, the government can't do anything!"
Haha, government inefficiency isn't a Republican-only problem.
Get a clue?
 

Davidion

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Oct 27, 2017
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Musk has done good things and showed his ass at least as often.

Butt if he can produce some results in Flint, it would be a pretty big plus on his karma scale. I'd laud his work.
 

antonz

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Oct 25, 2017
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Maybe I've missed something, but isn't this already resolved? The water levels were back under the FDA standards a year or so ago.
The Government has yet to complete the removal of lead pipes etc. There is so many layers to this whole thing. On top of Abhorrent charges being applied on residents who are not even using water
 

Rackham

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Oct 25, 2017
8,532
How do people take showers in Flint? No joke. I'd worry about what got on my skin and hair.

Also, whatever happened with Musk and Puerto Rico
 

Instro

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Oct 25, 2017
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The Government has yet to complete the removal of lead pipes etc. They are devoting a ridiculously small amount of money each year so its going to take many years to complete the process

My impression of the ongoings was that the remaining lead pipes were not impacting the available drinking water supply, which is why the bottled water was no longer needed. Is that not correct? It seems like even recent tests show water levels being under the requisite lead levels.
 

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Why don't you just do it first and then you can go get your fame and it might be deserved at that point.

He's already one of the most famous men on the planet. I don't think "extra fame!" is his motivation for installing filters in a mid-sized US city.

Also:

1. He was called to help on Twitter.

2. He responded saying he would help on Twitter.

?

Musk is not the government. He's doing plenty to help society as it is through his business.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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He is always pledging but hasn't so far done anything tangible

Usually on social things like this his promises are more accurate that not. I mean, he got the Solar panel and battery pack grid for Puerto Rico and the Battery Pack for Australia done

https://electrek.co/2018/01/23/tesla-giant-battery-australia-1-million/
https://www.inverse.com/article/455...-the-staggering-scale-of-puerto-rico-projects

Guess these were actually imaginary...
 

Jessie

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Oct 27, 2017
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Here's the thing, I hate his worshippers and his blatant PR machine, but I think he's legitimately trying to do good things here.
 

NervousXtian

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Oct 27, 2017
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You know, it'd be cool if he just did shit and didn't self promote everything he is doing.

Bill and Melinda Gates do a ton of shit with their money, and they don't shove it in your face... they just actually help people.
 

Mcfrank

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Oct 28, 2017
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Yeah all of his other promises have worked out so well.

Go the fuck away.

The fuck you talking about.

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dragonbane

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Oct 26, 2017
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He also donated way more than the stated 2k bucks to a crowd campaign for new bikes for Flint kids. So he did that, delivered on SpaceX, helped Puerto Rico and managed to build and test a working mini sub in a matter of days - it just didn't end up being useful. With a different turn of events it might have. Personally I don't really care for what reason he does these things, he clearly follows through on a lot of them and it's better than nothing being done. Also a lot of things take time
 
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Deleted member 18568

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Ive always been one whos more prone to action then hearing 'promises' though

I mean, his entire career is a testament to positive action. PayPal, Tesla, Space X, Solar City. Not everything succeeds, but I'll take that intent over the legions of freaking billionaires funding GOP for purely self-preservationist reasons.

Ideas need to start somewhere and be discussed and verified. Maybe he should quit social media, but that closes off a lot of avenues for public engagement.

Then again, as my post history suggests I'm always in favor of people getting off social media and actually doing something.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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damn guys i know we're not all billionaires here but how many of you have ever even called an elected official about some topic that is "important" to you. Even if all he does is hire some dudes to go install some filters on a few houses it's better than nothing which is basically what most people are doing.
 

smurfx

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Oct 25, 2017
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aren't the water pipes the reason for a lot of the contamination? good luck replacing all of the pipes elon.


edit: oh wait he meant filters. hey if he can do that then good for him but i'll wait and see if he does.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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You know, it'd be cool if he just did shit and didn't self promote everything he is doing.

Bill and Melinda Gates do a ton of shit with their money, and they don't shove it in your face... they just actually help people.

I love how responding to a tweet is considered self promotion. I don't recall him making a grandiose press event or making a huge deal out of this. I guess to a skeptic everything can be twisted into a negative...
 

Kurdel

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Nov 7, 2017
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Good old Elon, needing his ego to be triggered on Twitter for him to do good.

But yeah, the fact that it takes this kind of shit to get things going in Flint should be a national embarrassment for the US.
 

Powdered Egg

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Oct 27, 2017
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damn guys i know we're not all billionaires here but how many of you have ever even called an elected official about some topic that is "important" to you. Even if all he does is hire some dudes to go install some filters on a few houses it's better than nothing which is basically what most people are doing.
Out of curiosity, what happens generally when a person calls their elected official? Do you just get a secretary or voicemail? Why is this considered effective?
 

KHarvey16

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Oct 27, 2017
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Out of curiosity, what happens generally when a person calls their elected official? Do you just get a secretary or voicemail? Why is this considered effective?

You leave a message or speak to an aide. They take notes and everything is passed on. It's considered effective because they are taken seriously, especially when there's a lot of them.
 

ZackieChan

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Oct 27, 2017
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damn guys i know we're not all billionaires here but how many of you have ever even called an elected official about some topic that is "important" to you. Even if all he does is hire some dudes to go install some filters on a few houses it's better than nothing which is basically what most people are doing.
Uh, they're talking shit about him on social media...because he talks shit sometimes on social media. True internet warriors.
 

Commedieu

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Nov 11, 2017
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Elon musk is an asshole.

Ok, he did land a reusable rocket. His cars are meeting production... I see them everywhere in cali.. and he's working on his hyperloop tunnel...

What are the issues with follow through? I don't care for the dude when he opens his mouth. But he's still a thing. Folks have been shit talking him for ages. He's still here.

I'm with you all that let's see it happen because everyone has let flint down. But, he seems to have better things to do than fix some water for minorities.
 

Hoo-doo

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Oct 25, 2017
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At some point this guy is at least trying to use his wealth for good.
Same with the boys trapped in the cave. Sure he's not the one with the perfect solutions but he put his resources on it and tried coming up with ways to solve the problem. That's admirable in itself.

To the people who insult the guy and shit on him, what the hell are you doing for Flint behind your keyboard? Yeah, I figured.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Out of curiosity, what happens generally when a person calls their elected official? Do you just get a secretary or voicemail? Why is this considered effective?

you leave a message. I believe it's considered effective because people who call probably vote, so a large volume of calls on a particular subject might indicate that it's important to the constituency of a particular official.
 

Powdered Egg

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Oct 27, 2017
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Try it and report back. Don't depend on others to do your civics.
I just wanted an explanation because 'calling your local official' didn't intuitively seem productive. These politicians carry themselves as not caring what their non-rich constituents think so I assumed a phone call from me would have just been "yeah yeah yeah'd" to death by the person on the other end and the substantive matter of the call ignored.
You leave a message or speak to an aide. They take notes and everything is passed on. It's considered effective because they are taken seriously, especially when there's a lot of them.
Thanks!