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JustinP

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Oct 25, 2017
6,343
This is completely backwards.
You seem to have misunderstood my very short post!

Modern politics has done nothing to address root problems
Yes, this is why it'd be nice if they helped fix that. Our government is broken and needs fixing -- it'd be nice if it were fixed instead of ignored. You seem to think it's a lost cause to fix governments and I think that's foolish.

Meanwhile:

Bill Gates is literally funding and curing human society of entire diseases like polio.

Musk is changing how businesses and societies consume energy at a systemic level with Tesla and Solar City.

Al Gore accomplished jack shit in office but has been more effective than anyone on the planet at raising awareness at national and grass roots levels for action against global climate change.

These guys made billions of dollars. Gates and Buffet are giving it ALL away. Buffet doesn't even want a memorial fund in his name for his charity. Everyone here is also pledging to give away 99% of their wealth, right?

These people are actively helping through action and it should be encouraged, especially in this shitty political clinate. Stop whining about purity on social media and join them doing something to make the world better.

Jesus, some people on this forum.

I agree they do a lot of good and never suggested otherwise. I'm not "whining about purity," I'm pointing out a huge problem that they could help address. Fixing the water in Flint is great, fixing the underlying reasons Flint's water was poisoned in the first place so it never happens again anywhere in the country would be even better.

Signing money over Carte Blanche to politicians is what the KOCH BROTHERS do, because they don't give a shit about leading by example. See how that works out.

Koch Brothers is a great example, really. They've had an enormous effect on how the public views government and what kind of policy gets passed. I think it's for the worse because they're pushing a libertarian dogma that I think is stupid and causes a lot of harm -- they've been very effective at pushing the idea that government can't do anything right (it even seems to have worked on you!). Tying in with your Al Gore point, the Koch brothers actually ran for office and failed -- they realized running for office wasn't an effective way to affect change -- you seem to incorrectly assume I'm suggesting Buffet run for office; no, I'm suggesting these people counter the Koch money to affect positive change in government and public opinion, which are intimately related, because those things have the potential to do way more good than a billionaire alone -- they'd be a force multiplier.
 
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killerrin

Member
Oct 25, 2017
9,238
Toronto
Same with the boys trapped in the cave. Sure he's not the one with the perfect solutions but he put his resources on it and tried coming up with ways to solve the problem. That's admirable in itself.
Even when it comes to this. There is now a solution prototyped, tested and built which did not exist previously which can be used in the future if a situation warrants it. That in and of itself is great.

Who cares if it wasn't able to be used in Thailand. The only thing that matters in that case was that the people were rescued. In fact if Musks thing was being used, I would have expected that the situation itself had taken a turn for the worst, which thankfully never happened.
 

KHarvey16

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
9,193
Even when it comes to this. There is now a solution prototyped, tested and built which did not exist previously which can be used in the future if a situation warrants it. That in and of itself is great.

Who cares if it wasn't able to be used in Thailand. The only thing that matters in that case was that the people were rescued. In fact if Musks thing was being used, I would have expected that the situation itself had taken a turn for the worst, which thankfully never happened.

Yup, correspondence with one of the guys running the rescue effort made it explicitly clear they wanted Musk to continue working on the sub because the smallest of the boys had them a little worried about diving out.
 
Oct 27, 2017
683
I hope he pulls it off. But on the other hand it sets a precedent that says "we can't trust government to help us as much as we can trust billionaires" because if he is able to pull this off, what is to say people won't just ignore government when they have problems that need to be fixed and trust charismatic rich people instead?
 

shinra-bansho

Member
Oct 25, 2017
3,964
JLaw says ok.
Also not sure why he's referring to the FDA.
Why the pessimism and doubt?

Can someone provide a checklist of legitimate promises he has made.
I am assuming you are not referring to the multiple missed deadlines for his commercial endeavours.
I guess there's this:
http://digg.com/2018/elon-musk-thai-sub

He could follow through I suppose. It could also be a weird effort to divert attention away from his businesses I guess. Today's other news is that the employee he is suing has filed a complaint with the SEC.
 

KHarvey16

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
9,193
JLaw says ok.
Also not sure why he's referring to the FDA.

I am assuming you are not referring to the multiple missed deadlines for his commercial endeavours.
I guess there's this:
http://digg.com/2018/elon-musk-thai-sub

He could follow through I suppose. It could also be a weird effort to divert attention away from his businesses I guess. Today's other news is that the employee he is suing has filed a complaint with the SEC.

Narongsak Osotthanakorn wasn't the head of the rescue operation. This guy was:

 

TheBryanJZX90

Member
Nov 29, 2017
3,021
I mean the easy way to get people to stop dunking on you for making grand promises and then maybe kinda following up on them, is to actually do something grand, without announcing it to the world first.
 

jem

Member
Oct 25, 2017
7,757
Only thing Ive seen is his Puerto Rico efforts... which makes sense because energy is his lane.

Ive always been one whos more prone to action then hearing 'promises' though
Well that's one of the more bizarre takes I've seen on here.

"The only thing I've seen is when he helped thousands of people out after a natural disaster. But that doesn't count because he owns a company which works on electric stuff..."
 

X1 Two

Banned
Oct 26, 2017
3,023
I think it's hilarious that shitting on Elon Musk has become a meme. That said, I hope he actually follows through with this!
Musk likes publicity. He needs it every day. He says his companies don't do marketing and ads, but he is the marketing. Why pay for ads when you can be on the news? Musk is the Munchhausen of our times, a lying dirtbag.
 

ZackieChan

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
8,056
Well that's one of the more bizarre takes I've seen on here.

"The only thing I've seen is when he helped thousands of people out after a natural disaster. But that doesn't count because he owns a company which works on electric stuff..."
People in here seem to be living in another reality.
"Why we still got malaria?" Get it together Bill Gates!
 

DigitalOp

Member
Nov 16, 2017
9,292
I mean, his entire career is a testament to positive action. PayPal, Tesla, Space X, Solar City. Not everything succeeds, but I'll take that intent over the legions of freaking billionaires funding GOP for purely self-preservationist reasons.

Ideas need to start somewhere and be discussed and verified. Maybe he should quit social media, but that closes off a lot of avenues for public engagement.

Then again, as my post history suggests I'm always in favor of people getting off social media and actually doing something.

I understand that. I just hope he isnt just talking. That situation needs to be remedied and right off bat I expect him to not going to have government support. With the type of work he does, I feel like I expect to hear news on this now.

Well that's one of the more bizarre takes I've seen on here.

"The only thing I've seen is when he helped thousands of people out after a natural disaster. But that doesn't count because he owns a company which works on electric stuff..."

where did I say it didnt count? Those are your words.
 

jem

Member
Oct 25, 2017
7,757
where did I say it didnt count? Those are your words.
Here:
which makes sense because energy is his lane.
And here:
Ive always been one whos more prone to action then hearing 'promises' though

Also here:
Talk is affordable and cheap.

If I had Musk money, id put it on the table and talk later

"didn't count" may not have been your exact words but it's plainly obvious you don't think Musk is doing right with his money despite being shown that he's helped out thousands of people in Puerto Rico. That alone shows that he does actually put his money on the table.
 

Deleted member 18568

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Oct 27, 2017
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Musk likes publicity. He needs it every day. He says his companies don't do marketing and ads, but he is the marketing. Why pay for ads when you can be on the news?

That's called smart business. PR is 10x the value of advertising and 1/10th the cost.

Musk is the Munchhausen of our times, a lying dirtbag.

Evidence that he's a liar?

Starting to feel some people are just bitter because he's rich and successful.
 

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Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
8,425
Phoenix, AZ
I hope no one here ever becomes a billionaire. God forbid y'all ever face such backlash for trying to help people.
 

DigitalOp

Member
Nov 16, 2017
9,292
Here:

And here:


Also here:


"didn't count" may not have been your exact words but it's plainly obvious you don't think Musk is doing right with his money despite being shown that he's helped out thousands of people in Puerto Rico.

well arent you feisty this evening. You keep trying to paint this picture but thats how your deciding to interpret me.

If I had his money, Id come with more than a tweet, Id at least have a PDF on how Id do it.

I can criticize Musk, its not going to stop him from working, you can relax now.
 
Feb 1, 2018
5,083
Yeah all of his other promises have worked out so well.

Go the fuck away.

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He and his blind worshipers make it so easy.


he paid like 2 thousands dollars. woopee

I feel like I'm constantly hearing about what Elon Musk is about to do and rarely hear about what he actually does

And people wonder why he is mocked...

This guy is a fucking clown. The biggest attention whore of all time. Everything he does it to promote/advertise for Tesla

I mean it took a dumbass kid coffin to get you to maybe just pay to fix the water, but ok

how about paying to fix the pipes idiot

How sad must your fucking life be if you spend time online smugly hating on someone who is sincerely using their money/resources to try and solve major societal issues.

What have you guys done/are doing for Flint? Besides read about it on twitter

Elon hate is one of the grossest trends on era right now, I know this is a gaming forum so lots of you are psychologically maladjusted and project that a lot but still, like get some fucking perspective guys. And go outside. Do something for your community.
 
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ObbyDent

Attempted to circumvent ban with alt account
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Oct 27, 2017
1,910
Los Angeles
How sad must your fucking life be if you spend your days online smugly hating on someone who is using their money/resources to try and solve major societal issues.

What have you guys done for Flint? Besides read about it on twitter

Oh yes, the old "you should do it if its so easy" fallacy. Get the fuck out of here with that bullshit. I work minimum wage in a backwards town full of racists working myself to death trying not to literally kill myself from the depression.

if I had the money he has you would fucking bet that I would have already helped Flint. I also wouldn't have tried to insert myself into that Thailand cave rescue either. Elon Musk is a narcissist who only cares about helping people as long as it helps his image. Who the fuck are you?
 

knocturnalis

Member
Oct 27, 2017
539
That's cool but I wish people like him and Gates and Buffet would give more money to political causes that would result in lasting and more foundational change instead of simply addressing the symptoms of broken governments.
Bill Gates can't because he's Jewish and people will claim he is taking over the world.
 

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Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
8,425
Phoenix, AZ
Oh yes, the old "you should do it if its so easy" fallacy. Get the fuck out of here with that bullshit. I work minimum wage in a backwards town full of racists working myself to death trying not to literally kill myself from the depression.

if I had the money he has you would fucking bet that I would have already helped Flint. I also wouldn't have tried to insert myself into that Thailand cave rescue either. Elon Musk is a narcissist who only cares about helping people as long as it helps his image. Who the fuck are you?

Someone needs to step away from the keyboard

Also you can donate any monetary amount here to aid the people of Flint
http://www.unitedwaygenesee.org/flintwaterfund
 
Feb 1, 2018
5,083
Oh yes, the old "you should do it if its so easy" fallacy. Get the fuck out of here with that bullshit. I work minimum wage in a backwards town full of racists working myself to death trying not to literally kill myself from the depression.

if I had the money he has you would fucking bet that I would have already helped Flint. I also wouldn't have tried to insert myself into that Thailand cave rescue either. Elon Musk is a narcissist who only cares about helping people as long as it helps his image. Who the fuck are you?

You should probably calm down.

So much anger on this forum.

Its all words. That you sincerely believe him is adorable, though.

So you got nothing, then? Figured. You're so smart and cool behind that keyboard.
 

ObbyDent

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Oct 27, 2017
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Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
8,425
Phoenix, AZ
Someone needs to realize that Musky here hasn't done shit for the world while the Bill Gates of the world are actually doing something.

Good job making fun of my depression, by the way.

I didn't make fun of anything, but I do not see why you had to break down at someone who asked legitimate questions.

Like sis, every Elon thread now has devolved into a mess with posts like yours and the others shitting up this thread. As several people have pointed out, he actually does follow through on his commitments, but many would rather ignore that fact and let the hate-boner continue. At this point, it's disengenous to keep the conversation centered around will he *really* do this or that when in reality he is one of the few millionaires trying to put it the effort to help the people of Flint.
 
Feb 1, 2018
5,083
You started the anger buddy. Reread yourRe-read your posts and take a step back.

I started the anger by calling out some unchecked toxicity on this forum? Ok.

Your statement that "Musky" not "doing shit" for the world is factually wrong. A quick google search can tell you about his projects, and I'm not even trying to stan, just pointing out real life facts. We use fact-based discussion here.

If you're low income, any amount (even the spare change in your cupholder) donated to Flint or the ACLU or anything counts as doing something. Don't use your victim complex as an excuse when someone calls you out for being a negative nancy about issues that affect us all.
 

shinra-bansho

Member
Oct 25, 2017
3,964
This is a discussion forum.
The what are you doing comments are nonsense.
I don't see you being an effective President.
Let's see you try and coordinate a Brexit.
How about you try to run a social media company without mining people's data, leave RoboZuck alone.
 
Feb 1, 2018
5,083
This is a discussion forum.
The what are you doing comments are nonsense.
I don't see you being an effective President.
Let's see you try and coordinate a Brexit.
How about you try to run a social media company without mining people's data, leave RoboZuck alone.

Nope. It's wrong to just sit there and hate on someone that's trying to do something with their resources while you yourself don't do anything aside from consuming.

Everybody can and should help to the best of their ability.

Would you rather Musk just be like other billionares and waste all his money on silly cars and clothes? You guys actually think it's BAD that he's trying to tackle issues with his money? Holy shit.
 

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Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
8,425
Phoenix, AZ
This is a discussion forum.
The what are you doing comments are nonsense.
I don't see you being an effective President.
Let's see you try and coordinate a Brexit.
How about you try to run a social media company without mining people's data, leave RoboZuck alone.

No actually this comment is nonsense, reaching to the stars with an analogy that makes literally no sense

Donating a dollar to Flint, which I am certain no shitposter in here has done, is certainly not out of anyone's reach. Musk has pledged to do something. His track record shows he has followed trough with prior commitments. Yet, we have people complaining regardless, whom have done nothing (despite being able to do something).
 

shinra-bansho

Member
Oct 25, 2017
3,964
It is not remotely obligatory to do anything whatsoever to be skeptical of a billionaire's ego driven tweetstorm and to voice that skepticism.
 

nomis

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
1,013
How sad must your fucking life be if you spend time online smugly hating on someone who is sincerely using their money/resources to try and solve major societal issues.

What have you guys done/are doing for Flint? Besides read about it on twitter

Elon hate is one of the grossest trends on era right now, I know this is a gaming forum so lots of you are psychologically maladjusted and project that a lot but still, like get some fucking perspective guys. And go outside. Do something for your community.

he's in desperate search of good PR, as this whole thai cave episode clearly demonstrated. he only took this opportunity to "help flint" in the most surface-level way possible because someone mentioned it while calling him out on twitter. get some perspective? go outside? psychologically maladjusted? i'm sorry you're shitting your knickers because i think elon-senpai is wasting money buying Elon Musk™ faucet filters for households that test over an arbitrary ppm for lead, when he could rid the entire community of pipes that aren't ridden with contaminants for a sum that would not affect his bottom line if he actually gave half a shit about philanthropy
 
Oct 26, 2017
6,580
Installing filters? Talk about putting a Rainbow sprinkles bandaid on a blown off leg wound.

Like this solves literally nothing in the long run.
Unless filters are just a first step until the whole pipe network has been renewed.
 
Feb 1, 2018
5,083
It is not remotely obligatory to do anything whatsoever to be skeptical of a billionaire's ego driven tweetstorm and to voice that skepticism.

You're skeptical because you hate yourself. basically. Maybe also bitter that you're not working at Musk's level.

But if you took that energy and pushed it in a positive direction, maybe you could make a difference in your community, maybe even disrupt a local industry. Who knows. But if ~1000 normal people did that, it could be the same intensity of change as 1 rich person trying to apply themselves.

This is like one of the cornerstones of a democracy and it's something that our new anti-democratic culture is conditioning people to forget, because you're easier to control when you're just passively reading the news online and sulking about it, hating, disassociating with nerd shit instead of taking direct action.

I believe in you guys. Climb out of that sunken place. Hating is bad for your health. Be constructive- it's easier than you think.

Good night.
 

shinra-bansho

Member
Oct 25, 2017
3,964
Your skepticism is founded upon almost nothing, and is pessimistic due to the nature of Musk ultimately trying to help people.
The skepticism is founded upon the claimant's penchant for grandiose promises, which are regularly not met.

You are welcome to have faith in his ability, desire, sincerity and execution in following through.

And others are welcome to not do so.
 

shinra-bansho

Member
Oct 25, 2017
3,964
You're skeptical because you hate yourself. basically. Maybe also bitter that you're not working at Musk's level.

But if you took that energy and pushed it in a positive direction, maybe you could make a difference in your community, maybe even disrupt a local industry. Who knows. But if ~1000 normal people did that, it could be the same intensity of change as 1 rich person trying to apply themselves.

I believe in you guys. Climb out of that sunken place. Hating is bad for your health. Be constructive- it's easier than you think.
Good grief, some of you are looney with the need to defend a billionaire like he's your friend. You can keep the budget deepak chopra. I'm good thanks.
 

El Bombastico

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
36,061
You're skeptical because you hate yourself. basically. Maybe also bitter that you're not working at Musk's level.

But if you took that energy and pushed it in a positive direction, maybe you could make a difference in your community, maybe even disrupt a local industry. Who knows. But if ~1000 normal people did that, it could be the same intensity of change as 1 rich person trying to apply themselves.

This is like one of the cornerstones of a democracy and it's something that our new anti-democratic culture is conditioning people to forget, because you're easier to control when you're just passively reading the news online and sulking about it, hating, disassociating with nerd shit instead of taking direct action.

I believe in you guys. Climb out of that sunken place. Hating is bad for your health. Be constructive- it's easier than you think.

Good night.

What 80s self help book did you pull this garbage out of?

You're lost. I hope you find yourself and find happiness one day.

And I hope one day Musk-Senpai notices you.
 

Deleted member 18568

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Someone needs to realize that Musky here hasn't done shit for the world while the Bill Gates of the world are actually doing something.

Disrupting financing institutions, lessening our addiction to fossil fuels on a massive scale, and investing in the future of space exploration = done nothing for the world? OK.

I also wouldn't have tried to insert myself into that Thailand cave rescue either.

He was asked by users on Twitter to help. He then tried to help. When his solution wasn't used, he then volunteered it for any other future use. Should he have just ignored it and not tried at all?

Good job making fun of my depression, by the way.

No one is making fun of your depression? You engaged in a debate on a public discussion forum and people are responding to that. I have depression too. I don't hide behind it deflect debate.