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How much national pride do you have?
- Thread starter shaneo632
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Greek here.
I wouldn't say I'm proud to be Greek. I like Greek history but those are deep rooted in the past. I don't see why we should be proud of them, especially as modern Greeks fail to live up to the legacy. I don't see why anyone should feel accomplishment for the achievements of others.
I would say I like being Greek though. I grew up in the U.K. so Greek is like an exotic culture that I learned. I love the natural landscapes, the language, the food, the music and how friendly they are compared to London.
So yea, happy with my nationality, not proud.
I wouldn't say I'm proud to be Greek. I like Greek history but those are deep rooted in the past. I don't see why we should be proud of them, especially as modern Greeks fail to live up to the legacy. I don't see why anyone should feel accomplishment for the achievements of others.
I would say I like being Greek though. I grew up in the U.K. so Greek is like an exotic culture that I learned. I love the natural landscapes, the language, the food, the music and how friendly they are compared to London.
So yea, happy with my nationality, not proud.
I'm proud of some things. I'm proud of how welcoming Canada is to people from other cultures. There are some jerks of course but I like to think people from all over the world who come here to visit or to live feel welcomed and that their culture is embraced.
I'm a hockey fan too so my national pride bubbles up around any international hockey event.
I wouldn't say that I let being Canadian define me but I definitely realize I'm fortunate to be born here, and I don't plan on leaving.
I'm a hockey fan too so my national pride bubbles up around any international hockey event.
I wouldn't say that I let being Canadian define me but I definitely realize I'm fortunate to be born here, and I don't plan on leaving.
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Somehow I missed this post.
Were you a black person, we would likely not be having this conversation, if I'm being honest. But let's assume that you are. It absolutely wouldn't matter one iota. If you are in a position to put your country's yet-to-be-realized ideals before your basic needs and rights, then you are privileged. It's just that simple. You wouldn't be afforded that privilege due to your race obviously, but perhaps you grew up/live in an environment where you have the luxury to not have to personally worry about many of the issues that many of us African Americans have to deal with. Either that, or you're just hypothetically arguing for the sake of arguing/playing devil's advocate.
Secondly, I'm not against social progress. I'm an advocate for social justice, but that has nothing to do with taking pride in the country as a whole. You seem to be conflating pride in specific accomplishments with pride in the country in which these specific accomplishments took/take place. These things are not even remotely interchangeable. Furthermore, Martin Luther King, Jr. even confessed to his naivete that fueled his "I have a dream" speech mere months before he was assassinated.
And even if he hadn't expressed his regret about his previous statements, his proclamation of ideals is a far cry from a proclamation of pride in America. At the very least, he never expressed that the prospect of his ideals was more important than the horrible events taking place in the country during that time.
And finally, we are still, effectively, property of the government when we are unjustly incarcerated, where we are indeed treated as disposable sub-human trash, not worthy of basic human rights. Prison life/prison labor is modern day slavery in America, and our country intends to keep it that way for a long, long time, as the criminal 'justice system' continues to find more and more reasons to incarcerate black people. So long as we continue to pretend that our country hasn't just gotten more clever in masking the heinous activities that take place here, it will continue to oppress us. I, for one, can't afford to sit here and not call it out for what it is, let alone take pride in this god-forsaken country.
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And I'm not content with living in America right now. Of course I wouldn't be content with living in America back then. What a ridiculous statement.
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Same. I would say "let's trade" but we'd both be in the same position.
I'm from the U.K. and I'm proud of that. Yeh we've got some bad history but Britain has been a big player on the international stage despite its size and population.
Whilst our current political direction (Brexit) has taken a turn south we are still a great Country.
Proud to be English
Proud to be British
Proud to be a European
Whilst our current political direction (Brexit) has taken a turn south we are still a great Country.
Proud to be English
Proud to be British
Proud to be a European
I think if you're from an imperialistic or stolen country, you really have nothing to be proud of.
In terms of pride in their country, I pretty much agree.
And I should add, most countries are 'stolen' by this point, so this pretty much applies to everybody.
There may be a few other things than just Brexit to be shameful about.....
I am happy I live in the country I live in, Germany, because we have a good democratic system (and none of this majority voting bs US and UK have), convenient climate, strong social securities, including especially healthcare and a strong education system. I am absolutely not proud of being a German, because it is something that happened by chance, I had no influence on this and all the achievements of German society were there before I was born. It appear be supremely illogical to me to be proud of that and thus I am not.
I'm Italian. While I genuinely think it's one of the best country to live in theoretically, in practice I'm ready to gtfo as soon as I get my degree, since Italy offers very little fulfilling opportunities for my field.
Probably the reason why I'm shifting more toward an European identity.
Probably the reason why I'm shifting more toward an European identity.
This. I have dual citizenship (England/America) and I can safely say there isn't much in the way of pride for either country. I just happened to be born in one place and reside in the other.
Since you brought it up, are you black?
You thinking that there should be pride in this country because slavery abolished and the Civil Rights Movement happened is fucking laughable.
There will be no credit given for eventually doing the right thing, especially considering what was involved in getting there.
A country is only as good as its citizens and whole bunch of its citizens didn't want slavery to end.
The Civil Rights Movement is an even worse indictment of this country. They were fighting for rights against the very country you think we should praise for The Civil Rights Movement.
The people who fought and died for these things should recieve the praise, not this terrible country.
Seem like you're the one spouting propaganda.
None. Being proud of where my mother gave birth to me, something completely outside my control and is a matter of pure chance makes no sense to me at all. Particularly when there's so much disgraceful and unjustifiable nonsense that has been going on far, far, too long in this country and continues to this very day. There's just so much that we need to improve, so much that never should have been the case in the first place, yet is. There's just no way I could possibly have pride in it as it is; the idea just doesn't make sense to me at all.
Go back far enough in history and every country could be considered stolen.
While that's true in most cases, it's not true of every country.
For example I'm from Ireland...
Yeah, this is a whole other angle that I haven't even touched on. A country getting resistance from insurgents because of evil practices isn't deserving of admiration, even if the country eventually cedes their original position. That a country is no longer shitty should not be seen as a reason to take pride in it. And keep in mind, that's supposing that all of our current issues were gone. Unfortunately, our country, its structure, and its institutions are unfathomably shitty, so that's even less reason to be proud of it.
On the flip side, I can't praise our Civil Rights Activists enough, but they do not represent nor define this country, unfortunately.
Also, I've never had someone who was actually black hypothesize that they were black instead of just mentioning that they were black. That we even have to ask him that question shows you how bizarre this whole exchange has been.
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I'm from Croatia. While I have a certain fondness for the country itself, I have no pride in my nationality.
It is my opinion that people should only take pride in their own achievements. I never chose to be born here, never had to work to receive nationality, it was something that was assigned to me without any input from me.
It is my opinion that people should only take pride in their own achievements. I never chose to be born here, never had to work to receive nationality, it was something that was assigned to me without any input from me.
Well that's simply not true. Spanning from Prehistoric Ireland, to Gaelic Ireland, following the Norman invasion to then modern day Ireland, there have been plenty of invasions and changes of power structures. It certainly hasn't been the same country for over 10,000 years. Your current country isn't even 100 years old.
Aside from some isolated tribes, no country has remained in place since time immemorial.
I was literally about to post not having no pride in this country because of it's horrible history to black folks and minorities in general, but you nailed it to a T.
I love my Indonesian culture, heritage, nature, etc but I'm not proud of anything else aside from that. We have A LOT of work to do. But at the same time, if Indonesians like me just abandon the country then we would never grow in the first place so hopefully, I'll do my part in the future.
parents from two different countries, I don't speak the language of one and haven't lived for longer than a year in the other. Was born in a third country and grew up in yet another one. Gonna have to move to my home country soon for a while, for my education, but I'm planning to leave everything behind eventually. There's zero patriotism in my close family for any of our countries, I don't ever think about it at all
Thanks for the semantic history lesson. Irish history in relation to conquest and imperialism is definitely comparable to Britain, France, the UK, Spain, etc..
Believe me when I say that I understand what you're saying. It is true that there are different degrees to how imperialistic a given country is, but in 2018, none of our countries can take pride in "being the original inhabitants". We're far beyond that point now. That's just the reality of our human history.
None.
Im glad that I live here. But I wasn't able to choose where I want to be born so I didn't do anything for it and so I can't be proud if it.
Im glad that I live here. But I wasn't able to choose where I want to be born so I didn't do anything for it and so I can't be proud if it.
Aussie and proud. Proud of what we have, of what I can contribute and where we can go from here.
Honestly, it's hard to get mad at their ignorance on display when it is not something widely discussed in our country. All the more reason for us to speak out when given the opportunity.
