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Moosichu

Member
Oct 25, 2017
898
One big argument that is commonly made in argument for anti-consumer decisions (although it shouldn't be relevant to consumers fighting against them), is that companies make them because they make more money.

Although that may be true in some instances, I thought it would be worth listing some decisions that companies have made which have most likely hurt their bottom line more than they helped.

These are all PlayStation focused, because these have all been adding up lately to cause me to become increasingly frustrated with the platform.

- The lack of digital PS1 & PS2 game support on PS4: This one is easy for me to explain. I bought a load of PS1 and PS2 games on PS3/Vita/PSP. Unfortunately, PS4 does not support these. As a result of this, I just haven't bought any of the PS2 games available on the PS4 (or even any of the existing ones that still exist on the older platforms that I was planning on getting).

- The lack of account-sharing in Fortnite. There have been threads on this, but for me personally (and I'm sure others), this decision has just resulted me in not playing Fortnite on PS4 (and ergo, not spending any money there).

- The shitty attitude of customer service and the fact getting refunds, even in cases of fraud, results in a nightmare of possible account bans and other problems: one of my friends went through a horrible experience here. Again, as a result of this, I spend a lot less money on PSN than I used to.

- The lack of PS3-era force-feedback steering wheel support: The fact that I can't use my Driving Force GT in Gran Turismo Sport has just resulted me in not being interested in the game. I was planning on buying a Logitech G29 as well, but now won't for two reasons: I wanted to play splitscreen with force-feedback, and how the hell can I have any confidence that the PS5 will support this wheel?

- Super expensive PSVita memory card prices. I rarely bought PSN games because I didn't have enough space on my memory card. But I never bought a memory card because they were so expensive. Even though I probably would have spent £100s on games otherwise, instead I spent close to zero.

However, there is one anti-consumer decision which has probably benefited Sony more than it harmed them:

- The lack of dualshock 3 support. I do now own 4 dualshock 4 controllers, which I likely wouldn't do otherwise.
 

Deleted member 5491

User requested account closure
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Oct 25, 2017
5,249
Origin and UPlay.
Because I won't buy a EA or Ubisoft game on PC and with only having a Switch so far, there is no other way to get these
 

Toumari

Member
Oct 27, 2017
8,305
England
Pretty much everything Microsoft said at the start of the generation which made me switch from owning only a Xbox 360 to going to a PS4.

So I saved money due to the Xbox One being more expensive.
 

MatrixMan.exe

Member
Oct 25, 2017
9,500
How is lack of PS1/PS2 support or Dual shock 3 support "anti consumer". Could Era please stop a misusing this word?

On something that's actually anti-consumer, playing Fortnite on PS4.
 

Bowl0l

Member
Oct 27, 2017
4,608
PC digital store using third party DRM.
If the store wants to sell a game, make sure that they own the DRM.
 

Deleted member 3534

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Oct 25, 2017
1,537
Due to anti consumer practices I don't think I'll be buying another graphics card ever. Especially not from Nvidia.
 

Soulflarz

Member
Oct 25, 2017
2,807
...I mean theyre a corporation in a GAAS era I gues every dev is anti consumer by not just giving you stuff?

1) you cant expect this and shouldnt have, ps3/4 are completely different architectures.
2) this is anti consumer.
3) this is to stop license sharing spam on already downloaded + refunded game. Ps3 era was rampant and we ruined the benefit of the doubt. (10 people on 1 account paying $6 each for new games was silly)
4) this isnt an anti consumer decision in ny normal uses of the term
And whats a vita



Basically saying you gotta look at both sides sometimes.
 

GhostTrick

Member
Oct 25, 2017
11,316
Online paywall.
It's the reason I dont buy consoles anymore. Manufacturers made the choice to make an online paywall, I made the decision to not buy a platform with online paywall.
 

jon bones

Member
Oct 25, 2017
26,024
NYC
Gatcha mechanics will make me immediately delete an app. No time for that.

PS4 Pro's lackluster release combined with no intent for BC or crossplay.

I'm kind of done with PS going forward, especially seeing how Microsoft is doing things lately.

Due to anti consumer practices I don't think I'll be buying another graphics card ever. Especially not from Nvidia.

Word up. Building a PC for retail pricing was a pain in the ass. I'm done with PC gamings rigs as well.


Between the two of those, it'll save me a bundle going forward. XBX2X + Switch seems like a much more reasonably priced generation.
 
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Gelf

Member
Oct 27, 2017
5,311
I refuse to buy PS2 titles on PS4 because of the adding trophies tax and lack of BC/crossbuy with the PS3 releases. Why bother, they'll probably think of a dumb excuse to force me to rebuy next gen too and I refuse to play that game.
 

Spacejaws

One Winged Slayer
Member
Oct 27, 2017
7,816
Scotland
Kinda anti-consumer lite but Bioshock Infinte got a 5GB update that locked menout of the game until I downloaded it. Checked to see what interesting shit was included and it turnes out to be foreign language support. Uninstalled it there. Not sure why that couldn't have been a free DLC download or something.

Assassins Creed III recieved a chinese language support that utterly broke the game. The barebones steam forums oage had people asking question on gow to fix it but I just uninstalled it.

GTA patching out songs from bought copies of their games. Also last San Andreas update wiped your game save. Community had to show people how to recover it.

Bad examples because I've already paid but it has definetly made me wary dealing with these companies again.
 

tyfon

Member
Nov 2, 2017
3,680
Norway
I stay away from most games with microtransactions. The nickle and diming, lootboxes and all that crap often affects my enjoyment of a game.
But I haven't spent less really, just shifted to proper games. And in the last years my total spending has gone up not down.
 

Hentailover

Member
Oct 25, 2017
4,417
Moscow
I mean, I don't really buy any of these EA and Activision multiplayer games with MTs and yearly releases and stuff, partially because I just don';t want to deal with their crap. Feel free to count how much that saves me a year.
 

Green Yoshi

Attempted to circumvent ban with an alt account
Banned
Oct 27, 2017
2,597
Cologne (Germany)
I spent a lot of money for Xbox 360 games but after the reveal of the Xbox One I switched to PS4. One generation before I skipped the PS3 and bought a Xbox 360 in 2007.
 

Fastidioso

Banned
Nov 3, 2017
3,101
One big argument that is commonly made in argument for anti-consumer decisions (although it shouldn't be relevant to consumers fighting against them), is that companies make them because they make more money.

Although that may be true in some instances, I thought it would be worth listing some decisions that companies have made which have most likely hurt their bottom line more than they helped.

These are all PlayStation focused, because these have all been adding up lately to cause me to become increasingly frustrated with the platform.

- The lack of digital PS1 & PS2 game support on PS4: This one is easy for me to explain. I bought a load of PS1 and PS2 games on PS3/Vita/PSP. Unfortunately, PS4 does not support these. As a result of this, I just haven't bought any of the PS2 games available on the PS4 (or even any of the existing ones that still exist on the older platforms that I was planning on getting).

- The lack of account-sharing in Fortnite. There have been threads on this, but for me personally (and I'm sure others), this decision has just resulted me in not playing Fortnite on PS4 (and ergo, not spending any money there).

- The shitty attitude of customer service and the fact getting refunds, even in cases of fraud, results in a nightmare of possible account bans and other problems: one of my friends went through a horrible experience here. Again, as a result of this, I spend a lot less money on PSN than I used to.

- The lack of PS3-era force-feedback steering wheel support: The fact that I can't use my Driving Force GT in Gran Turismo Sport has just resulted me in not being interested in the game. I was planning on buying a Logitech G29 as well, but now won't for two reasons: I wanted to play splitscreen with force-feedback, and how the hell can I have any confidence that the PS5 will support this wheel?

- Super expensive PSVita memory card prices. I rarely bought PSN games because I didn't have enough space on my memory card. But I never bought a memory card because they were so expensive. Even though I probably would have spent £100s on games otherwise, instead I spent close to zero.

However, there is one anti-consumer decision which has probably benefited Sony more than it harmed them:

- The lack of dualshock 3 support. I do now own 4 dualshock 4 controllers, which I likely wouldn't do otherwise.
I'm the first who blames Sony to be one of most anti-consumer company I know but what you said is "relatively" anti-consumer. Let's talk about the lack of refund or their attempt to turn around the international laws about the warranty.
 

shaneo632

Weekend Planner
Member
Oct 29, 2017
29,010
Wrexham, Wales
The "Switch tax". I would buy way more games if they didn't bloat the prices unreasonably high for the Switch. And it doesn't help that eShop sales are dogshit.
 

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Oct 25, 2017
3,842
Even though I have Uplay&Origin accounts, never spend a dime on them, always gifts&giveaways.

That counts?
 

AniHawk

No Fear, Only Math
Member
Oct 25, 2017
11,163
i stopped subscribing to playstation plus when they put multiplayer behind a paywall.
 

glaurung

Member
Oct 26, 2017
1,599
Estonia
Did not buy Metal Gear Survive because of the MT bullshit.

Hated MGSV for the "insurance" MTs, especially since they were added after the game was released and reviews were oblivious to their existence.

Edit: also the later CoD games. Did not give a single fuck or bought the game when they pulled the MW Remastered bullshit. BLOPS4 scheme is also suspect, skipping that one too.
 
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Toumari

Member
Oct 27, 2017
8,305
England
The "Switch tax". I would buy way more games if they didn't bloat the prices unreasonably high for the Switch. And it doesn't help that eShop sales are dogshit.
Yeah this one in particular has prevented me from buying more Switch games than I would like. Especially the Wii U ports which are priced as if they were new games.
 

Epilexia

Member
Jan 27, 2018
2,675
The lack of refunds in itch.io.

Taking into account that itch.io is aimed to more experimental games, sometimes it's a hit or miss. You can find an hidden gem and indie masterpiece that you will never be able to purchase in Steam. Or you can find an unfinished prototype. Plus is a PC or Mac environment, sometimes a game will not even work well in your system.

This also have the consequence that while I visit itch.io much more than Steam for discovering new games, every time that I find a game that I'm interested in, the first thing that I do is to look if the same game is available in Steam.

And while I prefer to give my money to itch.io because they do an amazing work supporting indie developers, at the end I gave my money to a company like Valve.

Because in Steam, if I don't like the game or the game don't run well on my system, I can have an instant refund.

The same can be said of Nintendo Switch to a lesser extent. But not as deal-breaker, because the catalogue of Switch is much more conservative and only the most well-known indie titles will be ported to the system. And you don't have the problem of the game don't running well on your system. And even with this, when I find an awful port like 'Black the Fall', I blame Nintendo for the lack of refunds.
 
Oct 27, 2017
39,148
I don't play any game that has lootboxes or money sucking microtransacions looking at you (GTA Online, Overwatch or Shadow of War).

It is one of the reasons I stopped playing online games.


Nintendo games costing a lot and never going on sale stopped me from buying the Switch. Bring on the PSP 2 Sony!
 

shuno

Banned
Oct 28, 2017
625
I won't buy anything that's not heavily discounted that uses Denuvo or is a late/bad port, or where the developer/publisher lied to the consumer in the past. Like claiming their game is exclusive just to release a later port.
 

Deleted member 1102

Account closed at user request
Banned
Oct 25, 2017
13,295
Tekken 7 lumping Tekken Bowl with some random pieces of shitty customisation gear just to hike the price up. I love Tekken Bowl but I refuse to get it for T7 because of this.
 

Polioliolio

Member
Nov 6, 2017
5,397
Loot boxes, DLC, I've been driven to only play mostly complete games that truly avoid that kind of shit.
 

Cyanity

Member
Oct 25, 2017
9,345
Sony's seeming insistence that everything on their platform either needs to be exclusive, or contain time-locked exclusive content, has completely turned me off of buying a PS4 for the time being.
 

Azerach

Member
Oct 29, 2017
1,196
User Warned: Drive-by platform war post.
Majority of current gen gamers are on PS4. It's quite anti-consumer of Microsoft to not put their exclusive games on PS4 aswell. Holding back content is always anti-consumer.

Would love to play Halo and Forza but nah.
 

Xx 720

Member
Nov 3, 2017
3,920
Early gen I got most of my games on ps4, used xb only for friends/titanfall. After getting my Fortnight account tied to ps4 without my consent because I played Paragon ( a game I dearly loved btw) I will never buy anything digitally from Sony ever again.
 
Oct 25, 2017
2,407
Denuvo, Origin and UPlay mostly.
If a game have Denuvo i got it on PS4, (because if not, I consider it as renting). I also hate rockstar social club, i had have bad experiences with Max Payne 3, where i was unable to launch the game due to conectivity issues.. (and it's a single player game -___-)
 

Deleted member 9317

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Oct 26, 2017
9,451
New York
Sony's seeming insistence that everything on their platform either needs to be exclusive, or contain time-locked exclusive content, has completely turned me off of buying a PS4 for the time being.

Majority of current gen gamers are on PS4. It's quite anti-consumer of Microsoft to not put their exclusive games on PS4 aswell. Holding back content is always anti-consumer.

Would love to play Halo and Forza but nah.

Huh? Bizarro.
 

galv

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
2,048
Lack of backwards compatibility and paid online MP this gen stopped me from buying a PS4. I still have not paid a single dollar for online MP in my life, and will continue to never again do so.
 

galv

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
2,048
Majority of current gen gamers are on PS4. It's quite anti-consumer of Microsoft to not put their exclusive games on PS4 aswell. Holding back content is always anti-consumer.

Would love to play Halo and Forza but nah.
Absolutely, I will not touch Halo and Forza until they come to PS4.
 

Crocodilelogic

Attempted to circumvent ban with an alt account
Banned
Oct 29, 2017
728
Sony holding my fortnight account hostage. I will not buy any 3rd party games on my PS4 pro again. I'm also making a new account for Xbox and switch and abandoning my ps4 fortnight account.
 

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Oct 25, 2017
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Majority of current gen gamers are on PS4. It's quite anti-consumer of Microsoft to not put their exclusive games on PS4 aswell. Holding back content is always anti-consumer.

Would love to play Halo and Forza but nah.

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DiscoShark

Banned
Oct 26, 2017
479
Console subscriptions for online multiplayer.
It's why I chose a PS3 over a 360, why I built a PC instead of buying a PS4, and why not even the triple threat of Splatoon, Mario Kart, and Smash are going to get me to buy a Switch if Nintendo pulls the trigger on their own service. It's a console tax at this point.

Series with English dubs removing them down the road.
BlazBlue: Central Fiction. I don't even like the majority of english dubs, I just need english Tager yelling "Power of Science!"
 

cowbanana

Member
Feb 2, 2018
13,718
a Socialist Utopia
Probably not spend less, but definitely spend differently.

I don't buy EA games anymore. Their games are dead by design to me with their lame mechanics and online garbage loaded front and center. But then I just buy good games from those that still make them - plenty of those.

Nintendo could have a fair bit of my cash if they bothered to sell classic Metroid and Zelda games on the Switch, I don't even care about the price. Instead I spend that money - and time - on PS4/PC games.
I also can't backup my save games on the Switch, so I don't buy and play the big games that require a large time investment. Again, I'll just buy something on PS4 and PC where my time is respected and protected.

Many other examples, of course.