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Disappointed to read Jason's comments, the dungeon designs all being identical sounds really bizarre.
If all the dungeons look the same I feel like the game should have lower scores. Thats just.. dare I say it lazy? If not its a bad game design philosophy for this kind of game. I'm becoming suspicious lol
 

rochellepaws

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We gonna have a thread where Jason's opinion makes individuals buy a game or not lol. Jason you got some influence man.

It's not his opinion of disliking it but his specific criticisms that are concerning. It's hard to put a positive spin on each chapter structure being the same or every dungeon layout being identical or believe that you would interpret it differently.
 

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Glowing isn't the word for these reviews. They're good, yeah. But a lot do highlight what Jason has said but it hasn't affected them that much. It's a theme of the reviews and depends on how a certain person perceives them.

I see 83 on Opencritic, 85 on Metacritic, with 8/9/10 reviews being the bulk of it, so yeah, those are strong and glowing reviews. Most people really liked the game.
 

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Lol. Kotaku/Jason is the "bad review" and people are jumping out of windows.

You guys realize that it's the same review and it's a single person's opinion, right? I'd read/watch some others before you cancel your preorder and throw your Switch in the garbage.

This game... lol
 

moogan

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lower score than i expected
i expected some cool story like the "great" ff6

just sounds like bravely default a fun battle system that is overly bloated with unneeded padding (like persona 5 too)
 

Larrikin

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...wouldn't a D&D group inspiration lead to a more connected story that adjusted to the party? I don't really get the logic of "D&D -> not intertwined", hah.
Not necessarily. In my experience each player had their own unique goals that drove them. The party being together is mostly happenstance and the things they face usually furthered only a single persons plot. There were obviously plots they did as a group but it wasnt really the heart of what we did. Octopath seems like its taking the character arcs of each character and making it the focus. The reason they're together is largely inconsequential.
 

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Here's me on VG247. We don't do scores, but the long and the short of it is that I like the game a whole lot but the structure of the game significantly damages it in multiple ways (story problems, encouraging a lot of soul-crushing grinding, etc): https://www.vg247.com/2018/07/12/octopath-traveler-review/

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And one over on RPG Site: https://www.rpgsite.net/review/7465-octopath-traveler-review

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Do you think the "soul-crushing grinding" would make this a good podcast or second screen activity? I definitely can't just grind constantly like the good 'ole days of summer breaks from school, but having something to kind of mindlessly do while watching/listening to something else could be nice.

VG247 Review said:
...characters not in the current party of four don't earn any experience any time you swap somebody new in you're forced to grind them up to scratch. You can't stick with one reliable party of four, either, as each character has to be present in battle for every chapter of their personal quest line.

Oh screw that. Can't deal with that particular wrinkle of old school JRPGs anymore. Man, what a bummer. Could you potentially mitigate the issue by being super proactive about switching in and out new characters for each story mission?
 

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He's not far removed though? Look at the other reviews. That GameSpot review, even though it gave an 8, mentions some of the same issues, and so on.

It's going to be a matter of how much people 1. find something to be an issue to begin with and 2. prioritize it over other things in determining score. Kotaku's review is scoreless so you're going to focus more on the tone as a result, but that doesn't mean the higher scoring reviews don't contain the same points at times.
True, but based on his comments on Era it seems like he just hated the game apart from things like the art and music, while others have small, similar gripes, loved it.
 

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Lol. Kotaku/Jason is the "bad review" and people are jumping out of windows.

You guys realize that it's the same review and it's a single person's opinion, right? I'd read/watch some others before you cancel your preorder and throw your Switch in the garbage.

This game... lol

Too late. My switch is currently melting in a garbage can.
 
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I mean, considering it sounds like a lot of the other reviewers didnt finish the game, I'll take the opinion of someone who actually finished it with more weight than the others.
 

Decarb

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Amazing reviews. The demo had already sold me on the game but good to see it getting high praise (mostly).
 

o Tesseract

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Lower scores than I expected so far but it should still be fun... right?

EDIT: Fuck, I can feel all the excitement for this game draining out of me. Seems like this is just another disappointment to add to the pile...
Stay excited. Go into it being excited. Don't let other peoples' opinions tarnish your excitement, especially when there are a bunch of other people who have positive things to say about it. If you're interested in it and are excited about it, why would you allow a small number of individuals to revoke you from forming your own opinion?

Like, if everyone was shitting on the game, I understand. But it has an 80+ aggregate score so far. This isn't reason to have your excitement just disappear...
 
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My Special Edition is on the way, will arrive tomorrow, I'm so excited!
I think the structual problems won't bother me. I love everything I've seen so far.
 

Ultimadrago

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Have you played Xenoblade 2? It's one of my favorite games ever.

Nope. I was thoroughly unsold by many factors of the game including navigation system, convoluted battle systems, random-rare blades, voice acting and technical performance. These are observations before and after release.

It's nice that you and others have enjoyed it, but I was able to parse and then snip it out completely through pre-release content and post-release reviews/videos (especially the ones that seemed to skim over all the glaring flaws).

Octopath Traveler is likely going to follow suit. I even played the first demo in this case.
 

Mullet2000

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Amazing, everyone is so focused on this Kotaku review despite praise elsewhere. Jason is the same person who loved NNK2 and despised XC2, maybe his tastes may differ from yours? Were people expecting universql praise? Um

Yeah I don't get it. Jason has tons and tons of experience with JRPGs. His opinion may differ from yours but he's not out writing hit pieces on JRPGs or something. He happened not to like this and XB2. If you don't agree, that's fine, but discounting his opinion from now on because he happened not to enjoy two specific JRPGs is....something.
 

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yall we can talk about all of the reviews without grabbing the pitchforks over jason's review or shitting on his past opinions to come at his credibility on jrpgs or whatever nonsense

no really, that's an actual thing that we can do
 

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Gameblog.fr 80
Ocotpath Traveler is a strong entry to the old-school J-RPG genre, even though its classicism may forbid it from reach the greatest titles its taking inspiration from. As simple as solid, this retro adventure features enough mechanics to offer a deep fighting system, well-balanced and which brilliantly avoids countless leveling sessions. Too bad Octopath Traveler's narrative simply serves us eight not-so-connected stories, otherwise it could have been an instant classic.

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Octopath Traveler is truly a charming and wonderful J-RPG that has reminded me that there's still a place for old classics. Some might call it dated, I'd call it ageless and even peerless when held up against a recent generation of watered down, Westernised role-playing games. Square Enix delivers a nuanced, tactical game and an endearing cast to boot.
 
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Lol. Kotaku/Jason is the "bad review" and people are jumping out of windows.

You guys realize that it's the same review and it's a single person's opinion, right? I'd read/watch some others before you cancel your preorder and throw your Switch in the garbage.

This game... lol
Every review thread is like this. It's either over the top optimism or world ending pessimism. Sit back and enjoy, it's just another amusing facet of playing video games.
 

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I respect Jason and his opinions, it's a good review. But that critique about the dungeons is a bit weird. Didn't he really like the dungeons in FFXV? And those also follow that same pattern, like 90% of all JRPG dungeons ever. I can't even remember if there were puzzles in FFXV (don't know if there are any in OT).
 
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Do you think the "soul-crushing grinding" would make this a good podcast or second screen activity? I definitely can't just grind constantly like the good 'ole days of summer breaks from school, but having something to kind of mindlessly do while watching/listening to something else could be nice.



Oh screw that. Can't deal with that particular wrinkle of old school JRPGs anymore. Man, what a bummer. Could you potentially mitigate the issue by being super proactive about switching in and out new characters for each story mission?
Whoa that quote I'm out on that note. I can't grind like that anymore like at all nowadays

I respect Jason and his opinions, it's a good review. But that critique about the dungeons is a bit weird. Didn't he really like the dungeons in FFXV? And those also follow that same pattern, like 90% of all JRPG dungeons ever. I can't even remember if there were puzzles in FFXV (don't know if there are any in OT).
I hate when y'all do this Ffxv has nothing to do with this game or his opinion of this game
 

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Okay, so it doesn't seem like it's the second coming of Christ like some were predicting, but it does look like a very solid game that can be improved upon with a sequel, or some patches.

Nice!
 

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He's not far removed though? Look at the other reviews. That GameSpot review, even though it gave an 8, mentions some of the same issues, and so on.

It's going to be a matter of how much people 1. find something to be an issue to begin with and 2. prioritize it over other things in determining score. Kotaku's review is scoreless so you're going to focus more on the tone as a result, but that doesn't mean the higher scoring reviews don't contain the same points at times.
So if Jason gave it a score, it would get a 8? lol
 

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It's not his opinion of disliking it but his specific criticisms that are concerning. It's hard to put a positive spin on each chapter structure being the same or every dungeon layout being identical or believe that you would interpret it differently.

But..... that's exactly what the majority of the reviewers did.... the things he hates are exactly the things some other reviewers like and say the opposite.

What is it about this reviewer that make you all give him so much credence over the others? It's a personal opinion.
 

Charamiwa

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I don't understand at all their decision to make all these stories separate. The key art for the game reveal was all of them hanging out in a tavern, why on earth isn't this the heart of the game? The game still looks cool but I really have to question their vision here. Doing individual stories with one character and 3 ghosts (essentially) doesn't seem fun at all.

Even if the game is good it sounds like a huge wasted opportunity. And I was so hyped on the game too, can't believed how it's been defleted in just a month.
 

Kromeo

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The complaints about the dungeons make it sound like Bravely, which was my biggest problem with those games as well
 

Evildeadhead

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The dude that hates Xenoblade but loves Ni No Kuni 2 doesn't like this game.

It should be right up my street then.
 

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I respect Jason and his opinions, it's a good review. But that critique about the dungeons is a bit weird. Didn't he really like the dungeons in FFXV? And those also follow that same pattern, like 90% of all JRPG dungeons ever. I can't even remember if there were puzzles in FFXV (don't know if there are any in OT).
I do not know, personally what to have to grind, story that deflates at the end and repetitive dungeons are things that could perfectly apply to Persona 5 and I loved Persona 5.
 

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I wish Square Enix was playing 4D chess with us and announced a DLC campaign where all the characters come together to achieve a common goal and interact.
 

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Your review says "Finished all eight stories and did a handful of optional dungeons in 36 hours, three minutes".
Just to be clear: You mean 36 hours is your total game time or just the optional dungeons? Because the dev claimed it should be like 60 hours only for story.

The main character stories are honestly pretty short (45-90 minutes per chapter, several chapters per character) so long as you're the appropriate level, tbh. Grinding takes up a lot of time though, as there's no EXP share between characters who aren't in the current party and each character must be present for their own story beats, when means inevitably you hit a situation where you need somebody to be level 25 for their Chapter 2 and you have to grind them up from Level 10 or whatever.