The Democrats better not try to undermine her. She won, get over it. Stop serving rich assholes and serve the people already.
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New York Primary: Ocasio-Cortez Defeats Incumbent Joe Crowley
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- he already lives outside New York, which is a major reason why he lost the primary
- what is "what I honestly believe to be election fraud" supposed to mean? Yes, it's dumb that it's required to get off the ballot, but other candidates have done so before without being prosecuted; surely it's perfectly legal?
This is kind of hilarious. Dude doesn't want to do anything unethical, like register to vote in a state he doesn't live in or run for a seat he doesn't want, and is getting shit for it. NY election law can be dumb sometimes.
He didn't lose because he lives outside of NY, he lost because he wasn't able to connect with the voter base that well anymore/get out his voters. Presumably he's still gonna be living in the district going forward (a lot of Congressmen and women get a second room in VA so they don't have to sleep in their office when Congress is in session).
There's what's legal and what's ethical. Running for a seat you don't want or registering to vote someplace you don't live ain't exactly ethical.
He didn't lose because he lives outside of NY, he lost because he wasn't able to connect with the voter base that well anymore/get out his voters. Presumably he's still gonna be living in the district going forward (a lot of Congressmen and women get a second room in VA so they don't have to sleep in their office when Congress is in session).
There's what's legal and what's ethical. Running for a seat you don't want or registering to vote someplace you don't live ain't exactly ethical.
He isn't running against her. She was wrong, she never should have made her Tweet.
Seriously. The problem is NY's stupid laws and NY's stupid subparties and the dumb reckless tweet is blowing up a non-story because the campaigns won't just talk to each other.
It looks absolutely nothing like this at all. He isn't running. He's endorsed her.
There's no conspiracy here. None. Stop looking for an angle where there isn't one. This is a result of dumb NYS ballot laws.
He literally endorsed her and has done nothing to indicate he's actually going to run against her.
Sounds like he could easily get himself off the ballot by regestering to vote in VA. Why wouldn't he do that to support the candidate he endorsed. I'm not saying there is a conspiracy here for sure but it looks suspicious.
Why should he invalidate his vote by registering to vote in a state he doesn't really live in?
Why is voter disenfranchisement expected, and if he doesn't want to do that, it's "suspicious"
He could make himself an easy target for a Trump arrest over a high profile democrat committing voter fraud but he refuses.
That's sarcasm fyi.
This entire thing is a weird misunderstanding.
He should just continue to full throatedly support her.
there is no actual basis for his claim that he couldn't get off the ballot without committing election fraud. Other Dems have done exactly what WFP has asked him to do before with no issue.
Yeah because Democratic Socialism is the same as Stalinist Russia. How does it feel to be this reactionary? Must be sad.
Your country is going to absolute shit and your solution is "stick with this crushing poverty and lol Stalin killed fifty gorillion people".
It looks suspicious to people who need drama to feel alive. This cult of personality around politicians is super ugly. Not every political neophyte's Twitter hot-take needs its own cheering section. Sometimes people we like and respect make mistakes. Sometimes those people are embarrassed about those mistakes, sometimes they aren't.
So you are saying he should register in a state he doesn't declare has his home?
Two small disagreements there:
Just because people don't normally get in trouble for something doesn't mean that there isn't a law on the books that can be dusted off to arrest someone.
I have no faith in Trump making sure he has the full force of the law behind him before he pushes to get a top ranking democrat behind bars over a campaign issue he's been pushing hard (voter fraud) without any actual evidence for years.
The candidate he's endorsing and the WFP are calling on him to do this and he hasn't given a good answer as to why not.
Lol fuck off with that
it's always telling how certain people invariably assume good faith from any establishment-aligned Democrat but will never, ever do the same for a leftist
Maybe because registering in VA instead of his declared home of NY is technically election fraud or at least invalidates his vote this year?
Being asked to disenfranchise yourself or register a fake campaign are not fair asks of Crowley.
Only one person it to blame for this drama, and it's the person who decided to start twitter beef and falsely accuse a previous opponent for running third party.
Yeah, the disenfranchisement alone would be enough, I would think :\
Not everything is a street fight. Sometimes misunderstandings happen.
What the hell are you even talking about? This has nothing to do with drama and hot takes. The guy refuses to remove himself from the ballot after the candidate he endorsed and the WFP asked him to. Trying to discredit me as a reactionary is pretty low dude.
What exactly is there to disagree about?
He didn't run under this party, asking someone to change where they are registered to vote because of someone else's issue is beyond stupid.
He didn't run under this party, asking someone to change where they are registered to vote because of someone else's issue is beyond stupid.
So he should void his constitutional right to vote and/or run for office elsewhere as a carpetbagger because of stupid intra-party politics based on a misunderstanding of NY voting laws?
What part of having him register to vote in a state he only resided in out of job necessity is reasonable? Or having him run for office in a place he doesn't actually live?
Stop demanding stupid shit from allies so that "Leftists" can post-hoc justify ill-informed hot-takes.
Easy-peasy
People suddenly love voter disenfranchisement when it's that dang "establishment" doing something mildly annoying and mostly out of their control.
Eh I don't know man. Seems like a quick and easy way to fix this stupid problem. I'm gonna dip out on this though cause getting dog piled is annoying and I don't feel like this conversation's making any progress.
sure, and Hillary Clinton is the reincarnation of Karl Marx
yeah, really no point in arguing with people who think they understand NY election law better than the very party that endorsed Crowley in the primary and is now imploring him to get off the ballot
Crowley voted more leftist then 95+% of Congress on average.
So unless you are saying Warren and Bernie Sanders also arent leftist.
You seem incapable of actually viewing this through Crowley's perspective instead of your own. Neither option is a "quick and easy" fix. You're getting dogpiled because your view doesn't reflect reality.
if one goes by ProgressivePunch scores, Crowley is only the 77th most progressive Democrat in the House, but okay
Why do you feel the need to denigrate a representative that voted your way, while using subjective tests for Progressive Purity?
How does this matter when the issue at hand is a political novice's ill-informed Twitter bon-mot?
Depends on what you mean by leftist. Some think a lefist is someone who is anywhere on the left side of the spectrum or it's just a synonym for liberal. Others thinks a leftist is someone who wants to get rid of capitalism. I usually see the latter definition and I use that myself.
WFP offered to do the legwork for him so it is quick and easy. From that NBC article:
Honestly, he should just allow his name to be put on a race that don't require a residency requirement and be done with it.
99% of people who use the term "leftists" are not describing a communist, so that's a pretty insane working definition.
And in the next sentence, I say that I usually see the latter. I like making the distinction between liberals and socialists/communists/anarchists, but I don't like typing out all of those words and just substitute it with leftists. It's a nice catch-all term for a group that has a clear and substantially different goal from liberals.
No kidding. Those same types would 100% be up in arms if the exact same situation was reversed, and I'd be with them.
This is such bullshit and I don't believe for a second that there's nothing that could be done. Sounds like it'd be doable to move his name to a county clerk or something, which if he won he'd just vacate it to someone else.
And honestly I don't care at all if he has to lose his vote to do so. Disenfranchisement is a huge deal to me, but blame the stupid laws for it and suck it up. I think I could make one small example for a situation as specific as this.
I hope to god there's no chance of him winning the general. It would be a very big blow to the party nationally if he did. The fact that he's acting like such a bitch about this makes me wonder if he does think he has a chance. Even if he loses, he's certainly not helping the image of the Working Family Party.
Since Crowley is still on the ballot, Joe Lieberman emerged from the depths of obscurity to call for people to elect Crowley
https://www.wsj.com/articles/vote-joe-crowley-for-working-families-1531868231
https://www.wsj.com/articles/vote-joe-crowley-for-working-families-1531868231