The controversial ArenaNet firings of Guild Wars 2 writers (READ OP)

People have mentioned Deroir's praising of Price "the day before" but I hadn't seen or heard it. Again with my interest in facts I went and looked it up.

Twitch stream, July 3rd.
00:42:15 into the video he says:
"I love Jessica Price's reponses, she's like the god of fucking AMAs. Like she just gives great answers all the way through, it's absolutely amazing to read through."
and then he agrees fully with her and the teams decision and work on the latest episode, praising it as the best way they could have done it.

His tweets might have been unintentionally condescending or whatever but he ADMIRED her. Anyone trying to paint him as a sexist or gator is just flat out wrong. You might think his tweets were bad but there was absolutely no ill intentions there.

Sianos said:

this is a good analogy describing why those tweets irritated Price

maybe the layman is just excited to be talking about observation techniques or wants to impress someone with their own familiarity with the topic? but having your passion or research subject explained to you by someone who knows very little about it is annoying, and i have witnessed female friends and colleagues deal with this dynamic quite a lot

a recent example in my own life was someone (incorrectly) attempting to explain the distinction between positive reinforcement and negative reinforcement to a friend who is a psychology graduate student - my friend was very nice about it, but it was clearly an annoying situation and we laughed about it later in private

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Annoyance is fine. If Price has stuck to her first response ("thanks for trying to tell me what we do internally my dude") it would have been confrontational but clearly gotten the message across. But then she opened up their convo to ridicule in a public forum, called a customer names, etc.

To reiterate: I understand the annoyance. But being annoyed doesn't give you license to be an asshole to someone, especially when you're an employee and they are a customer. And there is no such thing as a public Twitter account being "private" when it's still open to comments. That's the entire point of the platform.

Further, her refusal to apologize and her behavior on Twitter outside of this incident call into question the empathetic take that she just had a bad day and blew up on the wrong guy. She apparently behaves this way on social media in general and believes it to be totally fine.

Casual said:

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Peter Fries is the one in the screenshot, not Jessica Price. Unless you're now in favour of him having lost his job, too?

kaɪt said:

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This a thread if you click on it in which she goes more into details about how she got fired and what the message it sends to devs in the industry

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The only message it sends to devs or any professional is to not assume your Twitter feed is private or personal, especially when engaging with customers of your employer's product while talking about your work at your employer.

Spyware said:

People have mentioned Deroir's praising of Price "the day before" but I hadn't seen or heard it. Again with my interest in facts I went and looked it up.

Twitch stream, July 3rd.
00:42:15 into the video he says:
"I love Jessica Price's reponses, she's like the god of fucking AMAs. Like she just gives great answers all the way through, it's absolutely amazing to read through."
and then he agrees fully with her and the teams decision and work on the latest episode, praising it as the best way they could have done it.

His tweets might have been unintentionally condescending or whatever but he ADMIRED her. Anyone trying to paint him as a sexist or gator is just flat out wrong. You might think his tweets were bad but there was absolutely no ill intentions there.

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This is just tragic, I really hope Jessica see this one day.

I feel bad about Jessica getting fired but at the same time I feel bad for Deroir too, I hope she at least reflects on what she said a little bit, even just for a second.

kaebie said:

Peter Fries is the one in the screenshot, not Jessica Price. Unless you're now in favour of him having lost his job, too?

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No, I don't think he should have lost his job. He's definitely on the wrong side of this, and the way he tried to justify her being in the right is grasping at just as many straws as some people in this thread. He comes off as childish and obtuse for trying to suggest that you're not opening yourself up to comments/critique on a public forum, but at the same time it's not malicious.

Kumquat said:

Seriously, the idea that any comment from someone without the experience is automatically worthless coming from all of you is a serious display of cognitive dissonance. By this same logic if Donald Trump posts any fucking thing on his Twitter I can't come at him because I haven't had the experience of being President for two years.

Do you see how daft that is? To believe that nobody can give you a helpful suggestion because they don't have your so called experience level is arrogant. That's something I would expect from a GG'er quite honestly. In fact, I'm pretty damn sure they've used that argument before to defend their pig dog devs that make games like Hatred and that school shooter game whatever it was.

C'mon guys, we are better than this. I never expected to see the twisting of facts and logic to such a degree coming from here. Don't be like your enemies.

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the better analogy would be comparing people on twitter who got a B in high school biology getting into arguments with expert geneticists and saying "your research is wrong because high school biology says this!"

doing that isn't wrong per se, and sometimes unsolicited advice from randos with little field experience can actually be a diamond in the rough - though restating something that is practically on the figurative FAQ will probably not yield such an insight.

i suppose it is a social awareness sort of deal? that when you inquire about someone's area of expertise you should generally be respectful to their knowledge, not suggesting that they have not considered an intro-course level idea. there is a way to make such inquiries without coming off as implying that you know better. i doubt that was intentional on deroir's part, but that's what a miscommunication is.

Blade Wolf said:

This is just tragic, I really hope Jessica see this one day.

I feel bad about Jessica getting fired but at the same time I feel bad for Deroir too, I hope she at least reflects on what she said a little bit, even just for a second.

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Yeah I am so fucking upset that Deroir, Price and Fries get so much hate and harassment. I dunno how you even manage to keep on going through all of that.
I see that Deroir has streamed a bunch after this whole thing. I imagine his chat mods must be having a very busy time. :(

Sianos said:

the better analogy would be comparing people on twitter who got a B in high school biology getting into arguments with expert geneticists and saying "your research is wrong because high school biology says this!"

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How the fuck is that what is happening here? These analogies are insane...

Tweets are representative of your employer whether you like it or not

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the better analogy would be comparing people on twitter who got a B in high school biology getting into arguments with expert geneticists and saying "your research is wrong because high school biology says this!"

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He never said she was wrong, just that he disagreed with her opinion. He then offered a suggestion of what he thought would be a good approach to the issue.

I think I'd rather see this thread locked than see us have another round of throwing tortured analogies back and forth.

Sianos said:

the better analogy would be comparing people on twitter who got a B in high school biology getting into arguments with expert geneticists and saying "your research is wrong because high school biology says this!"

doing that isn't wrong per se, and sometimes unsolicited advice from randos with little field experience can actually be a diamond in the rough - though restating something that is practically on the figurative FAQ will probably not yield such an insight.

i suppose it is a social awareness sort of deal? that when you inquire about someone's area of expertise you should generally be respectful to their knowledge, not suggesting that they have not considered an intro-course level idea. there is a way to make such inquiries without coming off as implying that you know better. i doubt that was intentional on deroir's part, but that's what a miscommunication is.

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Noooooo. That's not it. Here. It's like some guy tweeted a male game developer after he posted a 12 part tweet over a game that person loves and has played for a long time and is incredibly familiar with it, though maybe doesn't have the time as a developer. That person still has a valid viewpoint because they play the game and they know what they like and what is fun and so they in their passion tweet the developer that they are a fan of and the reply is Go away randoasshat ATTACK MY MINIONS ATTACK! I would fire a male developer just as fast as a female for doing something like that. This is a non gendered issue and forcing a gender issue because of that. Also might I add that Price turning it into a gender issue is something that heavily motivated the GG'ers (like they need much to motivate them. Don't give them an easy target FFS!

Namyu said:

Why does Price state that those are their private accounts when they're anything but?

Edit: Fries, excuse me.

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he means private in the sense of "this account is meant to be solely representative of my own views and does not represent that of my company" - the idea that he can interact online without it being inextricable from his company, that he can have a genuine conversation without putting up the PR front

but of course, them saying that their views do not represent the company unfortunately does not make it true

Sianos said:

this is a good analogy describing why those tweets irritated Price

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No, it's not. Because unlike his terrible analogy with a "experienced astronomer facing an arrogant layman who dared to teach him" game design isn't even a topic where there is one objective truth about what solution is better and why.

Sianos said:

he means private in the sense of "this account is meant to be solely representative of my own views and does not represent that of my company" - the idea that he can interact online without it being inextricable from his company, that he can have a genuine conversation without putting up the PR front

but of course, them saying that their views do not represent the company unfortunately does not make it true

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The biggest problem is they publicly identified themselves with the company and were posting about the game to the public on their twitter. You can't just do whatever you want if you are going to be a public persona. There are rules to this. Obviously, the rules are different when you own the company but she was an employee who identified herself as such and posted a whatever part tweet on the constraints of a living world on character development and player agency. It's not like she posted about her trip to the store and he told her to get back in the kitchen and make him a sandwich which is what it sounds hearing it from some of you.

Sianos said:

he means private in the sense of "this account is meant to be solely representative of my own views and does not represent that of my company" - the idea that he can interact online without it being inextricable from his company, that he can have a genuine conversation without putting up the PR front

but of course, them saying that their views do not represent the company unfortunately does not make it true

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In a sense I think it's true, like her opinion on Infinity War has nothing to do with the company. But in this case she was talking about her work on AraneNet game and responded to a person in the game's community who's also ArenaNet partner. So yeah, that's quite different.

Blade Wolf said:

This is what I don't understand, even if you are with Jessica Price, why paint Deroir as the villain? What did he do?

Whether you are with ArenaNet or Jessica Price we should all agree that Deroir did nothing wrong here. Why are people suddenly shifting the blame towards him? It's really baffling.

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This. I just don't see how anyone could be painting him as this sexist, toxic enemy, regardless of your opinion on the firing.

Budi said:

In a sense I think it's true, like her opinion on Infinity War has nothing to do with the company. But in this case she was talking about her work on AraneNet game and responded to a person in the game's community who's also ArenaNet partner. So yeah, that's quite different.

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Yeah they didn't fire her over the TB thing or other "meaner" tweets. Or whatever to call them. It was over specific tweets and attitude regarding her and her employer's game and the game's community.

Brass Body Dave said:

Tweets are representative of your employer whether you like it or not

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Employer should provide clear guidelines about their expectations of social media.

What's so fucked up from what I've continued to see is people digging through her old tweets to......do what exactly? Show that she's "no angel"? Because as far as I'm concerned it just shows to me the hypocrisy at work here and further proves that this had nothing to do with the actual tweets and instead the mob pressure. If the company truly had issue with her, she would have been gone by now. But because this specific case flared the internet hate mob - Arenanet buckled. Fucking cowards.

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Tweets are representative of your employer whether you like it or not

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Fistfulofmetal said:

Employer should provide clear guidelines about their expectations of social media.

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You both are right.

Fistfulofmetal said:

Employer should provide clear guidelines about their expectations of social media.

What's so fucked up from what I've continued to see is people digging through her old tweets to......do what exactly? Show that she's "no angel"? Because as far as I'm concerned it just shows to me the hypocrisy at work here and further proves that this had nothing to do with the actual tweets and instead the mob pressure. If the company truly had issue with her, she would have been gone by now. But because this specific case flared the internet hate mob - Arenanet buckled. Fucking cowards.

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Or, it shows they weren't too bothered with out of work on-going comments/remarks, but as soon as they [the studio] were involved in drama they didn't take as kindly to it. Even fairly liberal employers who will let you swear, talk shit, and speak your mind freely on a twitter account tied to them, still won't want any spotlights of drama pointed directly at them.

Once you somehow bring the spotlight onto your employer by your own actions it then becomes how do you and/or your employer handle it? As I've parroted multiple times now, if you were in the wrong or went a bit too far around something they're probably going to expect you to publicly apologize and try and make amends. Others might fire you outright, or some will fire if you refuse to make amends. Ymmv, but a common theme is no employer wants bad PR brought about by one of their own employee's.

Especially not if it involves a customer of the company.

Zefah said:

How the fuck is that what is happening here? These analogies are insane...

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the analogy is at its core someone inexperienced asking a question from a perspective of not knowing the deeper nuances - a question that the expert has heard a million times.

quite often, people ask these questions with the intent to show off their own intellect and one-up the expert - it is much easier to tell in person by reading tone and body language, and much harder to tell online.

it is annoying to have people constantly insinuating that you haven't considered some very basic thought in a field you've been working in for a decade.

Pazmatic said:

He never said she was wrong, just that he disagreed with her opinion. He then offered a suggestion of what he thought would be a good approach to the issue.

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"disagreeing with someone's approach and suggesting what he thought was a better approach" is the same as saying someone is "wrong".

he's not "bad" for doing so, but for instance you generally shouldn't make methodological suggestions for research papers belonging to a field you do not have experience in without thinking through potential reasons why they didn't take what appears to be the obvious route.

maybe think of what it feels like as analogous to hearing the same joke about your name a million times - it's innocuous, and everyone thinks they are clever for referencing it, but after a while it really starts to grate on you.

just something to be mindful of, its not a "big deal", its a little social awareness thing.

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What's so fucked up from what I've continued to see is people digging through her old tweets to......do what exactly? Show that she's "no angel"? Because as far as I'm concerned it just shows to me the hypocrisy at work here and further proves that this had nothing to do with the actual tweets and instead the mob pressure.

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I think it's in response to the people going out of their way to empathize with Price's reaction in this incident as if it was here simply cracking under relentless "micro aggressions" and otherwise not consistent with her character.

Blade Wolf said:

You both are right.

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Guidelines would be great. If no guidelines (clear ones!) are given you're subject to the whims of the CEO and who knows who else.

This thread is just personal attacks and the equivalent of CNN trying to fill 24 hours on dissecting two people being rude to each other on twitter. The actual discussion is about how her employer dumped all the hate and harassment on her and her coworker who dared to stand up for her to cover their own ass. The ramifications inside and outside of ArenaNet for women and minority employees in the industry, and how our communities can do better at denying these people a voice in the industry they so desperately want to use to achieve horrible ends.

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"disagreeing with someone's approach and suggesting what he thought was a better approach" is the same as saying someone is "wrong".

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Who the hell cares? It's her comments that got her fired. Even if he said "YOU ARE WRONG. THIS IS THE RIGHT WAY TO DO NPCS, YOU SO-AND-SO....", it's her response that got her fired.

"Don't insult or label customers as sexist in public because they annoy you with unwanted feedback" shouldn't have to be laid out in writing

Fistfulofmetal said:

Employer should provide clear guidelines about their expectations of social media.

What's so fucked up from what I've continued to see is people digging through her old tweets to......do what exactly? Show that she's "no angel"? Because as far as I'm concerned it just shows to me the hypocrisy at work here and further proves that this had nothing to do with the actual tweets and instead the mob pressure. If the company truly had issue with her, she would have been gone by now. But because this specific case flared the internet hate mob - Arenanet buckled. Fucking cowards.

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Isn't it sort of the opposite? As long as it had nothing to do with the game, company and community she got to say a lot of stuff that many people think is mean or whatever and didn't get any warning or anything according to what she has been saying after this.
But as soon as she did the same thing while it was about the game/community, they kicked her out. Like lots and lots in this thread has said they would do if their employees did the same, and that it has been done at their jobs.

Edit: Oh and I don't mean that the hate mob didn't have anything to do with it at all and such. And this is not something I am seeing as the ultimate truth or whatever. Just a thing you got me thinking about.

Sianos said:

its a little social awareness thing.

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And clearly something Price lacked when posting on Twitter.

Sianos said:

the analogy is at its core someone inexperienced asking a question from a perspective of not knowing the deeper nuances - a question that the expert has heard a million times.

quite often, people ask these questions with the intent to show off their own intellect and one-up the expert - it is much easier to tell in person by reading tone and body language, and much harder to tell online.

it is annoying to have people constantly insinuating that you haven't considered some very basic thought in a field you've been working in for a decade.

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How about we look at the actual example in question? Despite it ostensibly being her job to do so, Price said that she thinks it might be impossible to write compelling player characters in RPGs that allow the player to create their own character and have ownership over them and that the only viable option is to write inoffensive Bella Swans dialogue so no one is repelled by a reaction they don't think their character would do. This is absolutely something that invites disagreement, and it's something that I doubt tons of writers of CRPGs would agree with.

Sure, the ArenaNet budget constraints may prevent giving options to players, but that's not how the argument was presented at all.

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"disagreeing with someone's approach and suggesting what he thought was a better approach" is the same as saying someone is "wrong".

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No, it is not. He's not even saying his approach is "right," just that it would allow for more roleplaying options. It might help to understand that there aren't often singularly correct solutions to creative problems.

Dizagaox said:

Who the hell cares? It's her comments that got her fired. Even if he said "YOU ARE WRONG. THIS IS THE RIGHT WAY TO DO NPCS, YOU SO-AND-SO....", it's her response that got her fired.

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wow, thanks to you i discovered that it is possible to quote a single line out of a multi line post by highlighting that line, instead of having to quote the whole post and erase it - neato!

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just something to be mindful of, its not a "big deal", its a little social awareness thing.

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GalvoAg said:

And clearly something Price lacked when posting on Twitter.

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yes, a part of social awareness is recognizing that it is often necessary to handle people with "kid gloves", especially in the context of a job. twitter hot takes culture has made people lose sight of this fact.

Sianos said:

"disagreeing with someone's approach and suggesting what he thought was a better approach" is the same as saying someone is "wrong".

he's not "bad" for doing so, but for instance you generally shouldn't make methodological suggestions for research papers belonging to a field you do not have experience in without thinking through potential reasons why they didn't take what appears to be the obvious route.

maybe think of what it feels like as analogous to hearing the same joke about your name a million times - it's innocuous, and everyone thinks they are clever for referencing it, but after a while it really starts to grate on you.

just something to be mindful of, its not a "big deal", its a little social awareness thing.

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It was an opinion, in which there is no right or wrong. I understand what you are trying to say, but your analogies are all over the place. Video game narrative and story is not the same as a research paper. It is a collaborative and creative process. I don't even think she is wrong for being a little curt with him in the first tweet. I've been a little snippy before when someone suggests something to me that I've mulled over before and know to not work. I just feel that saying "he said she was wrong" is completely inaccurate to the real intention, which was him trying to open a discussion or get an answer on why it may not work.

kaɪt said:

Had this been posted yet?



This a thread if you click on it in which she goes more into details about how she got fired and what the message it sends to devs in the industry

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The lack of any sort of self-reflection throughout the whole (new)thread is honestly baffling to me. She continues to point fingers where it doesn't make a whole lot of sense and basically takes no responsibility for her actions, which at the root of the whole thing is why all of this happened.

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Is there any indication that there weren't guidelines at all? I'm not talking about whether or not she was pulled aside and told about them, I'm talking about whether or not they existed to begin with. I have no idea if my company has one since nobody ever showed me, but I also had to sign off on reading a handbook that I admittedly did not read all of. It very well could be there.

Tuco Benedicto Pacifico said:

No, it's not. Because unlike his terrible analogy with a "experienced astronomer facing an arrogant layman who dared to teach him" game design isn't even a topic where there is one objective truth about what solution is better and why.

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no field has an objective truth to it. but every field has that list of extremely common and extremely debunked arguments or suggestions: here is a good example of that dynamic in another field

As a psychiatrist, I constantly get told that my field is about "blaming everything on your mother" or thinks "everything is serotonin deficiency". The first accusation is about forty years out of date, the second one a misrepresentation of ideas that are themselves fifteen years out of date. Even worse is when people talk about how psychiatrists 'electroshock people into submission' – modern electroconvulsive therapy is safe, painless, and extremely effective, but very rarely performed precisely because of the (obsolete) stereotype that it's barbaric and overused.

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the psychiatrist should of course not lash out at any one person in the long chain of them for doing so, but the "freshman who took psychology 101" is a trope for a reason

I don't want to dogpile or infer about her character too much as it's not fair and would be hypocritical considering often get mad at other users for doing the same off small comments. But looking at a variety of her tweets through time where she acts very aggressively over someone not agreeing to her opinion I do wonder if that reflected itself in the work place. It's very likely this was not isolated to behaviour on Twitter

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It is the definition of "perceived". She saw it as one, and he did not. An ACTUAL slight is "You suck, I can't believe you didnt think of this other option". Clear and defined. You may expect him to see it that way but in reality its not. I totally understand someone snapping here or there if they have to hear BS all day. But you clear your head, say "my bad" and move on. Not continue to pile on the guy.

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Nope. The thing Deroir said was actually shitty and a slight. That he may not have intended it that way doesn't change that.

The example I would draw is when Joe Biden, during the 2008 primaries, talked about Obama and said:

"I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy."

Biden was intending to be complementary, but what he actually said was shitty. There is a loaded history of talking about black people and praising them for being articulate (as if that wasn't something you'd expect from a black person). Biden meant no malice, but the thing he said was shitty. He didn't double down and whine about why people are criticizing him for a complement, he issued an apology.

She did perceive the comment to be shitty because it was actually shitty. On that front, you're technically fine saying perceive. Except you were saying it that way to imply it wasn't, when it absolutely was.

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the psychiatrist should of course not lash out at any one person in the long chain of them for doing so, but the "freshman who took psychology 101" is a trope for a reaso

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Sorry but being a video game writer is not a scientifically backed job like a psychiatrist or astronomer.

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I don't want to dogpile or infer about her character too much as it's not fair and would be hypocritical considering often get mad at other users for doing the same off small comments. But looking at a variety of her tweets through time where she acts very aggressively over someone not agreeing to her opinion I do wonder if that reflected itself in the work place. It's very likely this was not isolated to behaviour on Twitter

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That's where I'm at, probably just the straw that broke the camel's back. Even then when you lash out like that under your employers name you should expect the consequences, including getting fired.

LudicrousSpeed said:

Nope. The thing Deroir said was actually shitty and a slight. That he may not have intended it that way doesn't change that.

The example I would draw is when Joe Biden, during the 2008 primaries, talked about Obama and said:

"I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy."

Biden was intending to be complementary, but what he actually said was shitty. There is a loaded history of talking about black people and praising them for being articulate (as if that wasn't something you'd expect from a black person). Biden meant no malice, but the thing he said was shitty. He didn't double down and whine about why people are criticizing him for a complement, he issued an apology.

She did perceive the comment to be shitty because it was actually shitty. On that front, you're technically fine saying perceive. Except you were saying it that way to imply it wasn't, when it absolutely was.

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Please explain what you thought was shitty about his comment.

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he means private in the sense of "this account is meant to be solely representative of my own views and does not represent that of my company" - the idea that he can interact online without it being inextricable from his company, that he can have a genuine conversation without putting up the PR front

but of course, them saying that their views do not represent the company unfortunately does not make it true

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I can sympathize with the thought, but as I'm sure has been brought up in this thread by other people 100x you're never really off the clock in today's day and age if you have an open profile. So yeah, pretty much what you said then.

Labor said:

"Don't insult or label customers as sexist in public because they annoy you with unwanted feedback" shouldn't have to be laid out in writing

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aka learn how to be a professional, or at least a functional adult.

Sianos said:

no field has an objective truth to it. but every field has that list of extremely common and extremely debunked arguments or suggestions: here is a good example of that dynamic in another field



the psychiatrist should of course not lash out at any one person in the long chain of them for doing so, but the "freshman who took psychology 101" is a trope for a reason

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Why do you keep talking about unrelated shit and comparing it to this specific situation as if there is any relevance? I guess it shows that you have no argument for what happened here if all you can do is cook up increasingly crazy and unrelated analogies using professions and fields that have nothing to do with game design or creative writing.

LudicrousSpeed said:

Nope. The thing Deroir said was actually shitty and a slight. That he may not have intended it that way doesn't change that.

The example I would draw is when Joe Biden, during the 2008 primaries, talked about Obama and said:

"I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy."

Biden was intending to be complementary, but what he actually said was shitty. There is a loaded history of talking about black people and praising them for being articulate (as if that wasn't something you'd expect from a black person). Biden meant no malice, but the thing he said was shitty. He didn't double down and whine about why people are criticizing him for a complement, he issued an apology.

She did perceive the comment to be shitty because it was actually shitty. On that front, you're technically fine saying perceive. Except you were saying it that way to imply it wasn't, when it absolutely was.

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Lmao what!?

How is that comment from Biden anywhere close to the tweet? I must have missed the part where he qualified his statement with something about her gender.

The tweet was fine. She acted like a damn baby over it.

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Please explain what you thought was shitty about his comment.

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I've already posted that in this thread. If you'd like, you can go back to read it.

If you don't want to go through this whole thread, the Beaglerush tweet thread that's been going around says basically the same thing.

kaɪt said:

Had this been posted yet?



This a thread if you click on it in which she goes more into details about how she got fired and what the message it sends to devs in the industry

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So she's doubling down, and blaming every single person but herself. Cool. Stunning lack of self awareness and/or self reflection. I don't think this sends the message she thinks this sends, and the consensus of the game journalists, once again, is at odds with the general audience (and common sense), which is happening more and more frequently of late.

I still can't believe people are trying to make Deroir's comments out to be shitty

prag16 said:

So she's doubling down, and blaming every single person but herself. Cool. Stunning lack of self awareness and/or self reflection. I don't think this sends the message she thinks this sends, and the consensus of the game journalists, once again, is at odds with the general audience (and common sense), which is happening more and more frequently of late.

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Yep.

No company that cares about their image would want someone with this lack of self awareness and overall delusion representing them in a public forum.

It'll be interesting to see if any devs/community managers who found her response perfectly justified start treating their own communities like shit in solidarity

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I've already posted that in this thread. If you'd like, you can go back to read it.

If you don't want to go through this whole thread, the Beaglerush tweet thread that's been going around says basically the same thing.

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That tweet thread is incredibly slanted. By like his third tweet, he unfairly paraphrases Deroir as saying "It's actually not that hard, do this".

He then obfusicated the order of events with tweets like this



This doesn't clearly paint the picture that she also Quote-tweeted him, and called him an asshat before Deroir even had a chance to even feel 'victimized'. He cherry picked JP's first, most benign tweet and acts like Deroir is being a drama queen for overreacting to it, ignoring her higher volume ones.