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Great hot take on the antisemitism there pal. Guess what? To a lot of Jewish people like myself, Labour's handling of the issue actually matters! But hey, waffle right? The fact that it's nothing to do with Brexit isn't the point, since the conversation was very clearly about why Labour aren't doing better against a floundering government. Brexit is one of the issues and, shock horror, there are others too.
Also, people can deem Corbyn to be unfit for leader without having to name a successor. The former is not predicated on the latter.
Mogg is AltRight and every effort should be made to call him out on it. He should be deplatformed and ostracised. Just because he is a fucking pantomime toff doesn't mean he should get away with it. I have been surrounded by the same upper class people all my life, and they have completely ruined this country, Brexit is peak cunt. Many of them openly espouse AltRight propoganda these days and will, when you get them alone, tell you that they think the white race is under threat etc. and other such nonsense.
It always takes me back to the Steve Eisman quote: "The upper classes of this country raped this country. You fucked people. You built a castle to rip people off. Not once in all these years have I come across a person who was having a crisis of conscience. Nobody ever said, 'This is wrong.' "
It always takes me back to the Steve Eisman quote: "The upper classes of this country raped this country. You fucked people. You built a castle to rip people off. Not once in all these years have I come across a person who was having a crisis of conscience. Nobody ever said, 'This is wrong.' "
Whats the deal with Labour and Antisemitism? I dont follow british news closely, is it a problem of the party?
Some members of the party made antisemitic statements but didn't get kicked out of the party as soon as that happened, some other stuff too but that's really the main gist of it
Of course I want Labour to be anti Brexit - when an overwhelming majority of the Tories are pro Brexit and yet 48% of the Electorate voted against it, I don't know why the party would align themselves against it. Labour wards were also far more likely to vote remain than Tory wards. Further, eight out of ten polled card-carrying Labour members oppose the party leadership's opposition to a second referendum on a Brexit deal, for instance. This begs the question - if Corbyn isn't serving the people in the wards who voted remain and he isn't serving the Labour members, who exactly is he bloody serving? Other than himself, and his Eastern-European stoked Euro-skepticism?
You didn't ask for a name btw, but Dan Jarvis or Chuka Umunna would be good candidates as far as I'm concerned. It'd be great to see David Lammy on the front bench, too, but there's a long list of good people including many of the 52 front benchers Corbyn has seen resign in his tenure who'd be extremely useful in the current fight against the Tories.
It's a bollocks sort of stat, by the way, but an amazing thing is that in a poll of a few thousand people on the streets of the UK last year YouGov listed key Labour figures and asked public if they recognized them, then if they liked them. Every single Labour politician came out with a negative score, with more people saying they disliked them than liked them, but Corbyn was dead last with a -40% score. Dan Jarvis was -1%, btw. It does carry that the more well-known you are the less liked you are, but Corbyn and Miliband both had toxic scores, though since that poll was taken Miliband's fucking about as a celeb post-politics appears to have raised his stock with the general public a lot.
Just dismissing this as "anti Corbyn nonsense" misses the point, I think. It's real, impactful stuff.
Fucking hilarious really!
If only there was a way to have a great trading relationship with double the market size of the US, but logistically only 1% of the distance away.
Their anti-Israeli government stance, whilst correct, has attracted the crazies and Corbyn suffers from the same affliction many on the progressive side do of a blindness to anti-semitism that emanates from certain quarters. It is really unnecessarily damaging since it should be cut out immediately but he drags his feet.
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A small minority of the party have displayed antisemitic tendencies. The Labour leadership have been both slow and inadequate in dealing with the problem. The main example is former London mayor Ken Livingstone who made inflammatory remarks about Hitler and Zionism; he was unapologetic and the party were woefully slow in dealing with it.
There's an aspect of the media and the right jumping on the issue to make the most of it, but Labour have scored several own goals in their handling of the problem. Most recently, their clarification on code of conduct on antisemitism has fallen well short of many established norms and expectations from a spread of Jewish groups.
Avaya's post above also summarises it well.
That headline is bad enough but the stuff below
Boris would be a great PM?
Migration is Killing Europe
Terror is Khan's Fault
Fuck all of this
- Boris would be a great PM
- Migration is killing Europe
- Terror is Khan's fault
Cannot get over how funny this is. May has been sucking up to Trump ever since he was elected. He was screwed her over in SO MANY ways already (Iran, Paris, NATO etc). Now he comes to the UK, shits on her only major policy and endorses her main opponent for PM as soon as he arrives. She didn't even need to invite him!!
"anti semitism waffle"
da fuq?
here's an old summary:
There are more examples but Avaya's post is pretty-much dead-on.
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That's Daily Stormer grade.
Jesus fucking Christ.
I wish tabloids could get the hard Brexit they lust after so they could cease to exist within days due to the shortage of imported paper.
I'm glad I'm not the only one that thought this. The Sun is basically Goebbels grade at this point.
Yup, it's pretty incredible stuff really.
The Brexiteers take Trump seriously. Getting to sit down and sign a trade deal with the US is the one thing that any future Tory leader wants to get done before the next election, so they have that to point to and go 'Global Briton! Jobs! Trade!' etc.
If Trump's putting a kibosh to that due to May's deal, well that'll be a problem.
Of course a rag like the Sun gets him to sit down.
Actually shocked the Express didn't get him first.
Well that's one way to tank international relations. If they're meeting again before he leaves it's going to be slightly awkward.
He's going to have tea with the Queen tomorrow, lol. And I think the May meeting at Chequers is tomorrow, too.
It's even worse, there's a scheduled press conference tomorrow.
He reportedly despises May. His backers want a Boris or a Mogg as PM. No surprise he is acting like this.
The problem is that this is a loathed, loathed individual in the UK. Even amongst Tories.
You mean the Queen is going to have tea and he's going to drink a Diet Coke.
Looking at Trumps previous deals a fair trade deal would be like the US having the boot on England's throat and pressing down but the US gets what it wants.
In a sippy cup.
In a sippy cup.
So since the papers have officially started the anti May campaign (in the most spectacular way possible), how is she gonna stay on?
I mean she might have the backing of enough MPs but the longer she stays in the worse it gets for the party.
We know keeping the Tories in power and keeping Labour out are her biggest worries so surely she would have to step down?
I mean of course she probably doesn't want a hard brexit (who wants any kind other then morons and thieves) so this is probably the hardest position she has found herself in.
At least she had the papers before to keep the gammons in check but now she doesn't have that.
I mean she might have the backing of enough MPs but the longer she stays in the worse it gets for the party.
We know keeping the Tories in power and keeping Labour out are her biggest worries so surely she would have to step down?
I mean of course she probably doesn't want a hard brexit (who wants any kind other then morons and thieves) so this is probably the hardest position she has found herself in.
At least she had the papers before to keep the gammons in check but now she doesn't have that.
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Zero sympathy for May in all this. Had she an ounce of moral integrity, she would have found a way to rescind the invitation to a homophobic, bigoted, racist, offensive, deceitful, rude and corrupt sex offender who has gleefully overseen literal babies being torn from their parents and kept in cages. But she didn't, because she wanted scraps from the US's table after she and her Tory chums tipped their own table over. Fuck her, fuck Boris and fuck Trump - they all deserve each other.
Edit: As an aside, I take it May's meeting with the Sun's editor at Downing St. last week didn't go as she would've hoped.
Edit: As an aside, I take it May's meeting with the Sun's editor at Downing St. last week didn't go as she would've hoped.
I don't understand why The Guardian keeps giving a platform to Open Europe. It's the quintessential Tory adjacent mealy mouthed Eurosceptic think tank, now turned cakeist in order to survive. It's because of their bad advice that we are in our current predicament.
There's nothing benign or sincere about their views.
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Hot take: This is 11D chess from May and she is about to Love Actually Trump and gain the support of the nation.
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