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In the Spirit of Debate: Peterson's C-16 1 Year Later Event feat. All Cis People who Agree with Him

excelsiorlef

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Worth it's own thread.



Guess who is #1 on the list of attendees? Who will be speaking about trans activism on campus...Why it's little Miss why won't anyone hire me Lindsay Shepherd

Bill C- 16 has incorporated gender identity/expression into Canadian Human Rights Law and the Criminal Code, within a broader policy context predicated on the idea that gender is solely a social construct. The effect is rippling through the social world, affecting schools, universities, the health care systems, the law and journalism.

  • What implications does this have for free speech?
  • What punitive measures can and does the law impose on those who violate its provisions?
There is no scientific evidence that supports the idea that gender/sex/biology/sexual proclivity vary independently, but that position is now instantiated into Canadian law. The following four panelists will discuss these issues and more.
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Lindsay Shepherd rose to prominence after staff at Wilfred Laurier University subjected her to a disciplinary hearing for showing a video discussing Bill C16 to her students while serving as a teaching assistant. She will be speaking about trans activism on university campuses.
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Barbara Kay will be speaking on the impact suppression of free speech is having on journalism, illustrating with personal experiences she and others had in the areas of Indigenous Correctness (she was fired as a regular contributor to a CBC radio show for incorrect remarks made elsewhere). She will speak about the phenomenon known in Arabic as "ketman," defined by one scholar as "the position taken by those who desire to be 'at one with others, in order not to be alone.'"
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Dr. Debra Soh will be discussing the science of gender, what makes someone feel "female" or "male," and why gender ideology -- which denies the influence of biology -- is harmful. The common belief nowadays is that gender is a spectrum, and that sexual orientation, gender identity, and gender expression are unrelated. This is not what the scientific research says.

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Jared Brown will be speaking about the legal aspects of C16, including its legislation of compelled speech, the opinions of Canadian/US courts regarding such speech, and his experience of the subterfuge and dishonesty of the proponents of the legislation. In his words: "The politicking behind the scenes of my appearance at the Senate made it clear that the intention of the proponents was to control speech all along."
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Sarina Singh will moderate: Sarina is an ex-social worker and an emerging political and social commentator. She organized the largest discussion on free speech ever held in Canada on November 11, 2017 as well as this One Year Later event.
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But y'all JP isn't transphobic.
 
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Bill C-16 gave Trans peopek human rights protections, one year later we cis people will sit around and all agree that that is very bad for us.
 
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excelsiorlef

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pewpewtora said:
Ah yes, because asking for someone to respect their pronouns like you would with any cis-person is "victimizing" someone.
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When she got clapback for her shit, she immediately just keep posting about her campus LGBt centre not having her back... the campus LGBT cedntre then got harassed but she just said not my fault... Now she's going to do it again on a stage with a bunch of sympathetic idiots who will all agree that them trannies did her wrong which will then be a springboard for how dangerous our existence is.
 

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Time to repost this old nugget about C-16:

I've posted this before, but Pererson is comically wrong in his interpretation of the law.

Bill C-16 adds the words "gender identity or expression" to a list of protected classes under the Canadian Human Rights Act and to the Criminal Code.

The Human Rights Act protects certain groups, prone to discrimination, from being fired, evicted, or otherwise discriminated against in federally-regulated workplaces, housing projects, or through Ottawa-run services.

"The addition to the human rights code is not about criminalizing anything," said University of Toronto professor Brenda Cossman, pointing out that violating the human rights code can only be punished through fines or non-financial remedies, like changing hiring practices, but never jail time.

The Supreme Court, in a 2013 case, found that for someone to run afoul of the Human Rights Act, it needed to be actively encouraging hatred.

"People are free to debate or speak out against the rights or characteristics of vulnerable groups, but not in a manner which is objectively seen to expose them to hatred and its harmful effects," the top court ruled.

What's more, Ontario—where Peterson works—already has human rights protections for transgender people in the provincial human rights code, thanks to a bill, virtually identical to C-16, that was passed by the Ontario legislature in 2012.
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https://www.vice.com/en_ca/article/qbnamx/no-the-trans-rights-bill-doesnt-criminalize-free-speech

http://nationalpost.com/news/politi...-bill-c-16-and-gender-identity-discrimination

Basically, it adds the words "gender identity or expression" to a paragraph on protected classes. You know, religion, race, disability, sexual orientation, etc.

Read the bill here, it's really very simple to understand. The top section is the proposed bill with changes underlined, the bottom is the existing bill which is uncontroversial:

http://www.parl.ca/DocumentViewer/en/42-1/bill/C-16/first-reading

So all it does is that if your employer called you something transphobic before, it would be on the legal footing of them telling you your shoes looked ugly. Now, trans people would have the same protection a worker would have if someone said something racist or sexist to them at work.

Also, Ontario had put "gender identity/expression" on the books in 2012, and no one cared because that was before the rise of the sadpuppy alt-right incel clusterfuck of fragile male angst we seem to be in the midst of.
 
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Dr.Acula said:
So all it does is that if your employer called you something transphobic before, it would be on the legal footing of them telling you your shoes looked ugly. Now, trans people would have the same protection a worker would have if someone said something racist or sexist to them at work.
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pfft we all know rights are a limited quantity! cant have people gaining rights cuz ill be losing them!

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this is so simple that it saddens me that it's even an issue
 
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Platy said:
If It stops free speech, how are they doing this talk?
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Did you ever hear of the Paradox of Right Wing Speach? Right wingers always claim not to have any, or to be losing it, while crying about it on national news programs, getting interviews published, going on the biggest YouTube channels and holding debates on campus. Never have the "marginalised" said so much, to so many, while crying about not being able to speak at all.
 
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