Media Create Sales: Week 27, 2018 (Jul 02 - Jul 08)

silpheed-mcd · Jul 17, 2018

Amazon Japan, the next octopath traveler arrivals, july 26, no arrivals (since saturday) for now in stores, nothing announced for this week, it seems the second week sales (physical) will be very low

https://www.amazon.co.jp/スクウェア・エニックス-オクトパストラベラー-Switch/dp/B07BBMRD77/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1531799694&sr=8-1&keywords=オクトパストラベラー

Mory Dunz · Jul 17, 2018

skullwaker · Jul 17, 2018

Retailers really thought Octopath was gonna flop huh.

Horror · Jul 17, 2018

Were Retailers not observing the exponentially growing interest in the game the weeks following the demo that they neglected to increase their orders? I mean how does this work?

Adventureracing · Jul 17, 2018

The Horror the Horror said:
Were Retailers not observing the exponentially growing interest in the game the weeks following the demo that they neglected to increase their orders?

I'm assuming the pre orders weren't that strong.

duckroll · Jul 17, 2018

skullwaker said:
Retailers really thought Octopath was gonna flop huh.

The Horror the Horror said:
Were Retailers not observing the exponentially growing interest in the game the weeks following the demo that they neglected to increase their orders? I mean how does this work?

These are pretty dumb comments given how we don't know what the shipment was.

skullwaker · Jul 17, 2018

duckroll said:
These are pretty dumb comments given how we don't know what the shipment was.

It wasn't that deep.

Horror · Jul 17, 2018

duckroll said:
These are pretty dumb comments given how we don't know what the shipment was.

Someone doesn't know the difference between a comment and a question

duckroll · Jul 17, 2018

The Horror the Horror said:
Someone doesn't know the difference between a comment and a question.

How much do you think they should have ordered, and how much do you think they ordered? Do we even have any data to estimate that? How much exponential growing interest was there following the demo?

Horror · Jul 17, 2018

duckroll said:
How much do you think they should have ordered, and how much do you think they ordered? Do we even have any data to estimate that? How much exponential growing interest was there following the demo?

Not sure who put the sandpaper in your diaper, since clearly I asked how does all of this work in my post you had earlier quoted. Maybe once you get that sandpaper out, you'll answer the question (or ignore it now, preferably) instead of being a raging dick.

FiXalaS · Jul 17, 2018

skullwaker said:
Retailers really thought Octopath was gonna flop huh.

I don't see what is wrong with being conservative, Retailers know their market.

The Horror the Horror said:
Not sure who put the sandpaper in your diaper, since clearly I asked how does all of this work in my post you had earlier quoted. Maybe once you get that sandpaper out, you'll answer the question (or ignore it now, preferably) instead of being a raging dick.

I think you need to calm down

skullwaker · Jul 17, 2018

FiXalaS said:
I don't see what is wrong with being conservative, Retailers know their market.

skullwaker said:
It wasn't that deep.

kuroneko0509 · Jul 17, 2018

teaser site for arc the lad mobile that was announced sometime ago during forwardworks event opened
https://arcthelad.com/
info end of this month

test_account · Jul 17, 2018

skullwaker said:
Retailers really thought Octopath was gonna flop huh.

First week saled might be around 100k+, so i dont think that they thought it would exactly flop. Just underestimation of the demand.

duckroll · Jul 17, 2018

The Horror the Horror said:
Not sure who put the sandpaper in your diaper, since clearly I asked how does all of this work in my post you had earlier quoted. Maybe once you get that sandpaper out, you'll answer the question (or ignore it now, preferably) instead of being a raging dick.

I am answering the question by presenting those questions. These are questions retailers ask themselves as well when determining what to order. That's... how it works.

skullwaker · Jul 17, 2018

test_account said:
First week saled might be around 100k+, so i dont think that they thought it would exactly flop. Just underestimation of the demand.

Y'all. The post wasn't fully serious. I don't think anyone thought Octopath would actually flop.

test_account · Jul 17, 2018

skullwaker said:
Y'all. The post wasn't fully serious. I don't think anyone thought Octopath would actually flop.

I know, i just dont think that the situation is close to being a flop, so i just wanted to comment on that :) I'm not criticizing you. But i guess you just ment that the demand was strongly underestimated, and thats fair enough =)

skullwaker · Jul 17, 2018

test_account said:
I know, i just dont think that the situation is close to being a flop, so i just wanted to comment on that :) I'm not criticizing you. But i guess you just ment that the demand was strongly underestimated, and thats fair enough =)

Right, haha. I'm really interested to see the numbers on Wednesday so we get a better idea of the shipment and sell-through. I feel like a lot of people underestimated the game since it seems to be selling out worldwide, and not just in Japan.

Chris1964 · Jul 17, 2018

GEO mentions Captain Toad is treated from Switch owners as a new entry since it exceeded the original Wii U opening. (Switch version at 2nd place, 3DS version at 6th).

No hints for Octopath Traveler sales, just mention for Super Nintendo RPG nostalgia.

duckroll · Jul 17, 2018

skullwaker said:
Right, haha. I'm really interested to see the numbers on Wednesday so we get a better idea of the shipment and sell-through. I feel like a lot of people underestimated the game since it seems to be selling out worldwide, and not just in Japan.

With the game selling out worldwide, it might not just be a case of underestimation, but a case of restocking being complicated by card production. Its the sort of stuff that hurts smaller games that get strong word of mouth because you might not be able to produce more copies of a game in smaller quantities as quickly as you need in a case like this.

Deleted member 32359 · Jul 17, 2018

I don't get it. Why questions are dumb comments? And then arrogance is good?
He just asked "how does this work?" smh

I don't know sh*t zbabo sales so all my questions could be dumb. But maybe there's more behind his post?
(not derailing just that people seem 'tense' and 'fight' for nothing... and then warnings or bans. All this is useless)

This said I'm hoping good news for Octopath in the upcoming weeks with decent legs :)

skullwaker · Jul 17, 2018

duckroll said:
With the game selling out worldwide, it might not just be a case of underestimation, but a case of restocking being complicated by card production. Its the sort of stuff that hurts smaller games that get strong word of mouth because you might not be able to produce more copies of a game in smaller quantities as quickly as you need in a case like this.

That makes sense. Hopefully the people interested in this game that haven't been able to get a copy yet are willing to wait until stock is replenished and don't just seek an alternative (granted, I don't think there are many modern alternatives for this game). I also hope the second hand market doesn't kill this game's potential.

Kelanflyter · Jul 17, 2018

fiendcode said:
Nintendo didn't just publish LCU, they actually produced the game and SPD staff worked on it. It's a little different from something they just pick up to publish or co-publish or distribute depending on the region. Devil's Third was the same deal, this is more in line with other Nintendo produced 3rd party games like Glory of Heracles, Culdcept, Fatal Frame, Bayonetta, etc.

Octopath is just a regional pick up. Nintendo's not actually involved in production or development. All of their other SE are in this category too (DQ games, Bravely games, TWEWY Switch, etc).

To be fair, Devil's Third is still a WiiU exclusive.
PC version, is just online part of the game.
There was interviews on the matter, and PC version was part of the arrangement.

I think Nintendo was so desperate to have WiiU exclusives that they signed bad contracts.

beetlebum said:
Is that accurate? Because if so, it would explain so much about why I freaking love that game to bits while being extremely 'meh' on LEGO games in general.

Maybe Nintendo involvment on Lego City Undercover was only for Nintendo cameos.

tolkir · Jul 17, 2018

Someday, Japanese people will preorder third party games on Nintendo consoles. Even, with two demos to play it several months earlier.

casiopao · Jul 17, 2018

duckroll said:
With the game selling out worldwide, it might not just be a case of underestimation, but a case of restocking being complicated by card production. Its the sort of stuff that hurts smaller games that get strong word of mouth because you might not be able to produce more copies of a game in smaller quantities as quickly as you need in a case like this.

Now u remind me of Infinite Space and how the game is unable to be restock on time and lost its momentum.

And when it is restocked, the potential buyers already moved on.

KillerMan91 · Jul 17, 2018

skullwaker said:
That makes sense. Hopefully the people interested in this game that haven't been able to get a copy yet are willing to wait until stock is replenished and don't just seek an alternative (granted, I don't think there are many modern alternatives for this game). I also hope the second hand market doesn't kill this game's potential.

Well with digital nowadays being a option even shortages of retail copies wont harm the total sales as much as maybe in the past.

casiopao · Jul 17, 2018

KillerMan91 said:
Well with digital nowadays being a option even shortages of retail copies wont harm the total sales as much as maybe in the past.

It kinda depens i think? For more niche title which target hardcore audience, sure.

For more mainstream casual audience title, it sure will affect the sales hard.

silpheed-mcd · Jul 17, 2018

GEO Ranking Sales, 2018 (Jul 09 - Jul 15)

~ 1.200 stores

01/ N [NSW] Octopath Traveler
02/ N [NSW] Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker
03/01 [NSW] Mario Tennis Ace
04/03 [NSW] Minecraft
05/ N [PS4] Mary Skelter: Nightmares 2
06/ N [3DS] Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker
07/04 [PS4] The Crew 2
08/06 [NSW] Splatoon 2
09/02 [PS4] Zanki Zero
10/07 [NSW] Mario Kart 8 Deluxe

NSW: 6
PS4: 3
3DS: 1

【ゲオメディア商品部メディア商品2課バイヤー武藤崇史氏のコメント】
" 今週のランキングはSwitch「OCTOPATH TRAVELER」が1位となりました。古き良きRPG+最新技術を使った進化したドット絵のRPGの融合で、スーパーファミコン世代から若い方まで非常に評価が高く、かなりの反響があります。

2位と6位に新作のSwitch/3DS「進め！キノピオ隊長」がランクインしました。こちらはWiiU版からの移植作品ですが、Switchユーザーからは新規アイテムとして受け入れられているのか、初週でオリジナルのWiiU版を超える販売数となっており、驚いております。手軽に楽しめるため携帯ゲームとしてもおすすめの作品となっております。"

Google translate:
Mr. Takafumi Muto:
"Switch 'OCTOPATH TRAVELER' ranked first in this week's ranking. With the fusion of old good RPG plus evolved dot picture RPG using latest technology, the evaluation from the Super Nintendo generation to the young one is very high and there is considerable response.

New switch / 3DS Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker ranked in 2nd and 6th place. This is a ported work from the WiiU version, but I am surprised that Switch users have accepted it as a new item or the number of sales exceeding the original WiiU version in the first week. It is recommended as a portable game for easy enjoyment."

Minsc · Jul 17, 2018

I would not be surprised if Octopath lands around 75k for first week, just have a bad feeling about this stock situation, and am not sure retailers know how to gauge a title like it.

Zedark · Jul 17, 2018

I saw some mention that the preorders for Octopath Traveler were weak, and that that was possibly a reason why the game is so terribly out of stock at the moment. Do we actually have any indication that preorders were weak? COMG numbers weren't big (50 pts or something like that), but beyond that I don't think we have anything substantial, right?

Also, do we know how Bravely Default preorders went in comparison to octopath Traveler?

byDoS · Jul 17, 2018

Minsc said:
I would not be surprised if Octopath lands around 75k for first week, just have a bad feeling about this stock situation, and am not sure retailers know how to gauge a title like it.

Welcome to the family, son.

The 70k-80k train has yet plenty of space.

Lelouch0612 · Jul 17, 2018

Zedark said:
I saw some mention that the preorders for Octopath Traveler were weak, and that that was possibly a reason why the game is so terribly out of stock at the moment. Do we actually have any indication that preorders were weak? COMG numbers weren't big (50 pts or something like that), but beyond that I don't think we have anything substantial, right?

Also, do we know how Bravely Default preorders went in comparison to octopath Traveler?

Preorders were not week, the game was headed to a 80k+ opening since the start, but with the big week-end and first impressions it is indeed possible that many decided to buy it during the week-end.

DKTF had week preorders for example and surprised a lot of people thanks to Golden Week.

Deleted member 9584 · Jul 17, 2018

duckroll said:
With the game selling out worldwide, it might not just be a case of underestimation, but a case of restocking being complicated by card production. Its the sort of stuff that hurts smaller games that get strong word of mouth because you might not be able to produce more copies of a game in smaller quantities as quickly as you need in a case like this.

If this is the case then it makes Nintendo launching Captain Toad alongside of it all the more baffling.

silpheed-mcd · Jul 17, 2018

Zedark said:
I saw some mention that the preorders for Octopath Traveler were weak, and that that was possibly a reason why the game is so terribly out of stock at the moment. Do we actually have any indication that preorders were weak? COMG numbers weren't big (50 pts or something like that), but beyond that I don't think we have anything substantial, right?

GEO ranking preorders, last week for Octopath Traveler:

https://www.resetera.com/threads/me...018-jun-18-jun-24.51842/page-14#post-10020412

cw_sasuke · Jul 17, 2018

I doubt they shipped less than 120k copies.

Chris1964 · Jul 17, 2018

Octopath Traveler shipment at retailers doesn't look to be below 100k and since sell-through is high sales won't be far from there either.

Download cards sold a respectable amount and are tracked from Famitsu but not from Media Create and Amazon that had big comparatively stock is tracked from Media Create but not from Famitsu.

OfficerRaichu15 · Jul 17, 2018

Captain Toad going for 50k on Switch possibly?

KtSlime · Jul 17, 2018

Octopath is on a green card. Surely there were not production shortages on Nintendo's side.

FreedomFighter · Jul 17, 2018

cw_sasuke said:
I doubt they shipped less than 120k copies.

I hope not. I'll be pretty disappointed tomorrow if the game is under 100k.

Chris1964 said:
Octopath Traveler shipment at retailers doesn't look to be below 100k and since sell-through is high sales won't be far from there either.

Download cards sold a respectable amount and are tracked from Famitsu but not from Media Create and Amazon that had big comparatively stock is tracked from Media Create but not from Famitsu.

I never know this.

Hope you guys are right.

byDoS · Jul 17, 2018

FreedomFighter said:
I hope not. I'll be pretty disappointed tomorrow if the game is under 100k.

I never know this.

Hope you guys are right.

You better prepare for disappointment, then

Mbolibombo · Jul 17, 2018

_Dog said:
Is there a source to this?

Ofc there isnt.. always assumptions. They could very well be true though.. at least with SP.
Reveal close to release and no promotion what so ever. I doubt Ubisoft had too high expectations for it..

As for Wolf 2... no clue, it seems to have been doing decent enough on the e-shop at least.

Zedark · Jul 17, 2018

Mbolibombo said:
Ofc there isnt.. always assumptions. They could very well be true though.. at least with SP.
Reveal close to release and no promotion what so ever. I doubt Ubisoft had too high expectations for it..

As for Wolf 2... no clue, it seems to have been doing decent enough on the e-shop at least.

Wolf 2 is undecided, too. It sold very badly in the UK, but then in Spain it sold more than half of what the PS4 version sold in 3 weeks, and double of XB1 version in 3 weeks. My bet is he's using UK to extrapolate worldwide performance again, despite ample evidence that the UK market is an outlier for Switch.

KillerMan91 · Jul 17, 2018

casiopao said:
It kinda depens i think? For more niche title which target hardcore audience, sure.

For more mainstream casual audience title, it sure will affect the sales hard.

I mean why would it differ depending on the game? We just had MH:W with very high digital ratio because lack of stock during first week. That is as mainstream as you can get in Japan.

Aters · Jul 17, 2018

casiopao said:
It kinda depens i think? For more niche title which target hardcore audience, sure.

For more mainstream casual audience title, it sure will affect the sales hard.

Luckily OT is about as hardcore as it can get.

KtSlime · Jul 17, 2018

KillerMan91 said:
I mean why would it differ depending on the game? We just had MH:W with very high digital ratio because lack of stock during first week. That is as mainstream as you can get in Japan.

A game is aimed at an audience and not all audiences have the same means of purchase. That's why there are variations the digital tie ratio. RPGs tend to do poor digitally because they offer little after the completion which means you get people who want to sell the game right after competing it. RPGs can also have very dedicated fans, who want to get the special edition items. Neither of these things are possible with digital versions.

Gotdatmoney · Jul 17, 2018

KillerMan91 said:
I mean why would it differ depending on the game? We just had MH:W with very high digital ratio because lack of stock during first week. That is as mainstream as you can get in Japan.

RPGs have short legs because once you finish it it has little value to hold on to. Monster Hunter built its entire appeal on social multiplayer. One of these titles is a way safer digital purchase.

silpheed-mcd · Jul 17, 2018

GEO Ranking Preorders

~ 1.200 stores

About ranking:
- N is the title that was not ranked in within last ranking
- Games close to release date and games for which reservation reception has ended in Geo are not published in the ranking
- The ranking of the title is ranking by the total number including other models and bonus version
- Hardware order of multi titles is in order of hardware release date

01/01 [PS4] Winning Eleven 2019 - August 30
02/02 [PS4] Spider-Man - September 07
03/04 [NSW] Pro Yakyuu Famista Evolution - August 02
04/05 [NSW] SaGa : Scarlet Grace - Hiiro no Yabô - August 02
04/05 [PS4] SaGa : Scarlet Grace - Hiiro no Yabô - August 02
05/10 [PS4] Yakuza 3 - August 09
06/07 [PS4] Call of Duty: Black Ops 4 - October 12
07/06 [PS4] Red Dead Redemption 2 - October 26
08/26 [PS4] Battlefield 5 - October 19
09/ N [NSW] Pokemon Let's Go, Pikachu! - November 16
09/ N [NSW] Pokemon Let's Go, Eevee! - November 16
10/08 [NSW] Warriors Orochi 3 - September 27
10/08 [PS4] Warriors Orochi 3 - September 27
11/09 [NSW] Super Mario Party - October 05
12/ N [NSW] Super Smash Bros. Special - December 07
13/12 [PS4] Kingdom Hearts III - January 25
14/13 [3DS] Etrian Odyssey X - August 02
15/15 [3DS] WarioWare Gold - August 02
16/11 [NSW] NBA 2K19 - September 11
16/11 [PS4] NBA 2K19 - September 11
17/16 [PS4] Conan Outcasts - August 23
18/17 [NSW] Layton's Mystery Journey: Katrielle and The Millionaires' Conspiracy DX - August 09
19/18 [PS4] Friday The 13th: The Game - August 02
20/19 [NSW] Rockman X Anniversary Collection 1 + 2 - July 26
20/19 [PS4] Rockman X Anniversary Collection 1 + 2 - July 26
21/35 [NSW] STEINS; GATE ELITE - September 20
21/35 [PS4] STEINS; GATE ELITE - September 20
21/35 [PSV] STEINS; GATE ELITE - September 20
22/22 [PS4] Bullet Girls Phantasia - August 09
22/22 [PSV] Bullet Girls Phantasia - August 09
23/23 [PS4] Fire Pro Wrestling World - August 09
24/24 [NSW] Okami HD - August 09
25/28 [PS4] The Legend of Heroes: Trails of Cold Steel IV: The End of Saga - September 27
26/27 [NSW] FIFA 19 - September 28
26/27 [PS4] FIFA 19 - September 28
27/31 [PS4] Utawarerumono Zan - September 27
28/30 [PS4] Disaster Report 4 Plus: Summer Memories - October 25
29/33 [PS4] Shadow of the Tomb Raider - September 14
30/32 [PS4] Anthem - February 22
31/34 [NSW] My Hero Academia: One's Justice - August 23
31/34 [PS4] My Hero Academia: One's Justice - August 23
32/14 [PS4] Naruto to Boruto: Shinobi Striker - August 30
33/36 [NSW] Little Dragons Cafe - August 30
33/36 [PS4] Little Dragons Cafe - August 30
34/37 [NSW] SNK Heroines Tag Team Frenzy - September 06
34/37 [PS4] SNK Heroines Tag Team Frenzy - September 06
35/38 [PS4] ANUBIS ZONE OF THE ENDERS : M∀RS - September 06
36/39 [PS4] 428: Shibuya Scramble - September 06
37/ R. [PS4] Black Clover: Quartet Knights - September 13
38/ N [PS4] F1 2018 - September 20
39/40 [PS4] Soul Calibur VI - October 18
40/ N [PS4] Crystar - October 18

PS4: 32 (-1)
NSW: 16 (-1)
3DS: 2 (=)
PSV: 2 (=)

Braaier · Jul 17, 2018

All these lost sales for SE. tsk tsk

I'm sure used sales are doing quite well. Can anyone check if used copies are selling at or above full price?

Deleted member 2791 · Jul 17, 2018

Stock issues are lost sales only if the game was bad to the point where its word of mouth would die after two weeks. It's not the case for Octopath, so it's merely delayed sales.

Andri · Jul 17, 2018

Used sales for 80+ hour games should be lower for a time shouldnt they ?

Next thread should be up in about an hour right ?

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