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Disney severs ties with James Gunn after controversial tweets
- Thread starter Sibersk Esto
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Or he thinks that deleting them would suggest that he had something to hide.
Life ruined? Gunn will continue to make successful movies, just not for Disney.
You would think so, it might not have happened for whatever reason. They might have asked him if there was anything to be concerned about and he might have forgotten. He might have lied. They might have seen it and thought his apology was enough. They might have thought even if it was found they could handle the bad press. Who knows dude
I'm appalled and disgusted how people can handwaive away those tweets just because they cannot separate their love for Comic Book Thing and the person who helped make it. "The far right won", haha no sis, morality won.
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Gunn had a tasteless joke problem and cleaned himself up. What's the difference?
Yeah this is BS. Fucking alt right. I hate those fuckers so much. Dude's changed and grown as a person.
He apologized for them. 6 years ago. So this is the second time.
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/guardians-galaxy-director-james-gunn-395796
Sad to think, but they probably consider those two more important for the business. On the scale of things, writer and director isn't super high.
That's the biggest thing here. It's totally understandable to refrain from hiring someone over those tweets (and, you know, the Troma films...).
However, it's fucked up to fire someone over something you knew when you hired them.
And then it's exponentially more fucked up than that to do so based on a disingenuous smear campaign by nazis angry that the employee in question is, you know, doing good stuff.
Of course. People go to see movies based on familiar actors, but the majority has no relationship with the directors. From Disneys perspective, this is all about PR and money.
Though I do wonder who still sees a movie based on Depp being in it.
Statement from Gunn.
Disney fucking sucks and I'm so done with all those leftist purists out there. They're the ones to blame here
To the overwhelming support of the left. If this is the line we draw, that no one can ever come back from their past even in the case of jokes, jokes that have been applogized for and from what we know hes tried to become a better person from, were setting a pretty unobtainable position of our own ranks.
It appears I misunderstood the context of this situation. I apologize.
I've been thinking a lot about performative wokeness lately. We've hit a point over the past few years, but especially in the age of Trump, where a lot of people on social media feel like they need to be seen playing the woke liberal card to make sure that everyone knows they're hip with the new paradigm of social interaction. As a result, everyone jumps through hoops to make sure they're seen decrying every example of fucking up that they can find, be it major or minor, which is what causes these social media firestorms to explode the way they do.
That's not to say that a lot of people don't actually care about this stuff: of course they do. But there are just as many people who go on Facebook or Twitter and share an article or a blog post with a half-thought-out hot take to make sure everybody knows how progressive they are, and more than anything else, that's what's driving this kind of behavior.
And now, the alt-right has figured out how to weaponize that kind of kneejerk progressive behavior and turn it against itself.
Did James Gun wrong you in a way that required you forgiveness?
I'm not talking about them going away. I'm talking about a basic, extremely low effort task to coincide with the apology.
Let me put it another way. It absolutely makes me wonder why someone who apologizes for offensive tweets doesn't delete them. When it's not that hard to do so.
Social media continues to be a net-negative to society. Corporations are also still too willing to kowtow to the online mob in order to prevent any possible damage to their valued brands. This is just another run-of-the-mill example. GoG3 will undoubtedly be worse without Gunn's involvement.
Remember kids and adults, anything you do and say online is there forever. That dumb thing you said/did 10 years ago online? Yeah, you'll probably get fired for it.
Remember kids and adults, anything you do and say online is there forever. That dumb thing you said/did 10 years ago online? Yeah, you'll probably get fired for it.
2016 was the election (and the year) where the alt-right (with some amazing help from the Russians) basically started getting an extremely disproportionate amount of power online because of the nature of Twitter. GG was the gaming subculture test run of the whole thing (several months in, there were a lot of articles pointing out that only a couple of thousand actual accounts were protesting, and the majority were just bot accounts) and it got weaponized hardcore against us after that.
In fact, there's a key difference between 2012 and 2018. In 2012, it was still believed that people could sincerely apologize. Even looking at the article above, he apologized, worked with GLAAD, and people mostly believed that he had grown. In 2018, it is basically assumed people are just all lying about their true selves and really the evilest, stupidest, vilest shit they've ever done at any point in their lives is who they "truly" are their entire lives, past, present, and future. (Which I sort of blame as an effect of social media / facebook / performance art culture / the online hustle, but another soapbox for another time).
Wow. That makes this whole thing even sadder. The dude was fucking straight for years and now gets bagged on for someone he currently isn't...
What a joke. Fucking can't believe Disney couldn't see that.
Funny thing about that is how pissy people were that he dared to delete his old posts. He was "covering up" etc. yet now people are saying of course he should have done that
How bout you realize your wrong and out of touch? I'm appalled and disgusted by people like you thinking this is a good thing. He apologized about this over 6 years ago. He shouldn't be fired about something like this.
Yeah most Twitter caused firings I'm happy about but this one is pretty shitty I think.
He didn't delete them probably because at the time he apologized and it wasn't en vogue to go through someone's entire history to find problematic elements to get somebody fired . That's actually only a fairly recent development since Gamergate and the alt-right surfaced.
Also the internet doesn't forget. The fact that they were brought up at all meant they'd likely already been screenshotted.
I think he's apologising for something different than the Twitter posts here.
The fuck are you talking about? This was LITERALLY a campaign thought up and entirely consisting of the alt-right with Mike Cernovich there as a spearhead.
Wow I can't believe that actually worked yet it won't work on the people that actually matter.
Dumbass Disney got worked. And apparently so did a lot of people here.
Oh well.
Dumbass Disney got worked. And apparently so did a lot of people here.
Oh well.
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Were those jokes about orgasming hard to underage girls masturbating? And do you seriously believe these were 'acceptable' jokes in 200-fucking-8?
Because a man destroying his own life through substance abuse does not elicit the same response as a man making light of rape and child abuse.
PEOPLE. CAN. CHANGE.
God it's like you guys are dense or something.
He's wrong and so are you.
I agree fully.
This has nothing do to with "forgiving" him. The people that pushed for him to get fired are the alt right, people who don't give a fuck what he said in those tweets.
And the company that fired him? They already knew about the tweets.
This isn't about forgiveness at all.
Are you new to Troma movies?
Good choice, I hope Edgar Wright isn't on too bad of terms with Marvel.
Disney being hypocritical with whom it chooses to let stay on is unfortunate, but besides the point and undermines the good message they are sending by letting him go. You take victories where you can get them.
Why the hell did Disney hire him in the first place if they would fire him over this? Did they not look into this guy at all? Anybody who knows anything about his career pre Guardians wouldn't be surprised by those tweets. I assume Disney would have done their due diligence on him before signing him up.
Maybe they only care now that people are upset about it but Gunn and Disney was a weird match to begin with.
Maybe they only care now that people are upset about it but Gunn and Disney was a weird match to begin with.
Cracks me up when people do this "we" and "our" shit talking about "liberal values"
Gunn already apologized for this cornball shit that didn't even actually involve other people but you want to let actual rape and pedophilia advocates rile you up
Gunn already apologized for this cornball shit that didn't even actually involve other people but you want to let actual rape and pedophilia advocates rile you up
You're not wrong, but would you rather have a unified left that's in power, or an "accountable" left that tanked an election in 2016 and seems unwilling and unable to do anything to fix it. Republicans are stupid and evil, but at least their playbook wins.
This is off topic though. Back to your point about accountability: while I personally don't think jokes are worth apologizing for, I understand why some would want Gunn be "accountable" for what he posted. How far that "accountability" should extend, I'm not sure, but losing your job is entirely too far imo.
I mean, it wasn't like he was someone caught on Twitter using Juggernaut Bitch kind of humor, or like South Park/SNL 90s humor for their respective time periods.
Some of that shit he said was too fucked up period (so stop it with the "but what if Chris Evans gets caught with a decade old tweet like this" and stuff like that; some of those tweets were fucked up for any time period).
With all that said... dude has been trying to make amends for that stuff for years now, would have thought someone at Disney might have seen the subsequent actions over the past words, but here we are
Some of that shit he said was too fucked up period (so stop it with the "but what if Chris Evans gets caught with a decade old tweet like this" and stuff like that; some of those tweets were fucked up for any time period).
With all that said... dude has been trying to make amends for that stuff for years now, would have thought someone at Disney might have seen the subsequent actions over the past words, but here we are
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