https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018...nsporting-cows-rajasthan-180721090817178.html
This is some frightening shit
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Mob in India lynches Muslim man transporting cows
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https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018...nsporting-cows-rajasthan-180721090817178.html
This is some frightening shit
Inna lillahi wa inna ilaihi raajioun.
Fuck Modi and all the cow vigilantes he emboldened.
Is that a real law?
Completely nuts.
Can you imagine the infinite outrage if this was a Western country?
It's nuts, but only as nuts as other religion based laws. Cows are sacred in Hinduism.
This just proves why seperation of church and state is a good idea.
It's fucked up
Is Islam a major religion in India or is it foreign? If so if I go to another country that has strict religious laws then I'm going to obey them
Not victim shaming and I hope India changes no one should have to go through what that man did
Is Islam a major religion in India or is it foreign? If so if I go to another country that has strict religious laws then I'm going to obey them
Not victim shaming and I hope India changes no one should have to go through what that man did
I mean this is fucked but India is like 80% Hindu. You already know you don't mess with cows in India.
There's about 200M Muslims in India. They've been there for centuries. They shouldn't have to leave (nor is it actually feasible). India aims to be a secular state (it's part of their constitution). Muslims and Hindus (and others) have coexisted peacefully in the past even after lots of conflict and it's about time India walks the talk on its secular intentions.
This seems like an exaggeration. You'll find tons of vehicles honking horns at cows if they're blocking the road. But maybe it's true for villages where people are more trigger happy.
Wish religion in general should fade out of modern life and become only a minor part.
India and Pakistan were originally one country called Hindustan (India still gets called that in some areas) and after WW II it was decided that it was going to be split into a Muslim side and a Hindu side. Things however went south as some people didn't want to leave their homes while at the same time mobs decided they would kick out the other side themselves and resorted to heinous acts.
Look up the independence of India from the British .
Pakistan and Bangladesh were formed as Muslim countries.
I'm not too well versed but at school in the UK they taught us that people were killing each other as they crossed the new borders to get into their respective sides.
And of course today Pakistan and India aren't exactly best friends .
Indian muslims getting lynched for supposedly harming cattle has grown to quite a scourge in the last few years. There are tons of cases like this. Just check out the incredibly named Wiki page Cow Vigilante Violence in India since 2014.
And here's the thing: slaughtering cattle is not obviously illegal even in the states that technically forbid it. There are tons of exceptions, as with everyting in India. I visited Tamil Nadu a few years back and had steak at a restaurant in Puducherry. That city happens to have an exception from the rest of the state because it's a former French colony.
And here's the thing: slaughtering cattle is not obviously illegal even in the states that technically forbid it. There are tons of exceptions, as with everyting in India. I visited Tamil Nadu a few years back and had steak at a restaurant in Puducherry. That city happens to have an exception from the rest of the state because it's a former French colony.
This is a gross simplification of what transpired which completely omits the part played by the British Empire but I do at least want to clarify that India was never formally called "Hindustan".
Exactly.
People would find other excuses to kill someone. India also has a fake news problem where a rumor spreads on Whatsapp and other social media and it results in lynchings and mob violence against innocent people. Its just fucking nuts.
I don't mind the ban. It's a sacred animal in their religion and I can respect that (my parents belong to that religion). But this isn't about cow slaughter, rather, these are insidious methods for entrapping and (almost) legally murdering muslims by the more rabid and religiously fanatic hindus.
Pretty much never gonna happen. 70% of the world alone is either Hindu, Christian or Muslim.
The warning you have makes me laugh...
The situation over this ,with people taking about cows, are missing why it really happened...
This is an exaggerated simplification of history. There are many nuances to this story and you can't just say yeah they were one country before and it was split simply. There was never any formal Hindustan. British India was a conglomerate of princely states and territories that were won over ever since the East India Company started trading in the region with the final stamp being put in the 1857/58 revolt which was actually a revolt by the people of the nation as defined by the British Empire and had Hindus/Muslims on the same side. The British empire had the policy of divide and rule which they extolled in the former territory/kingdom of Bengal resulting in East Bengal and West Bengal but people didn't really buy it entirely.
It was a lot of egos, clashes and other things that led to the partition of British India into Pakistan (at the time East Pakistan (Bangladesh) and West Pakistan) and India. There were players who felt that when the country went independent it wouldn't satisfy their political ambitions and players who wanted it to be separate for their own reasons. The partition wasn't very well planned or organised but how do you actually organise something that literally meant uprooting people from homes, towns, and cities where they've lived for their entire lives. It caused massive chaos and a rift which grew over decades into what you see the two nations exist as today. Religion was simply a tool used to further a lot of egos. I recallreading way too many books about modern history and modern Indian history has plenty of books written about it that it could fill a small room tbh.
Fun fact. The word Hindu originates from the name of the river Sindhu, which iirc was an Indo-Aryan name and was known as Indus tot he western world. If I recall correctly, the religion itself didn't have a name for centuries, but I might be wrong there.
Edit: On topic this is a heinous act and while I don' follow the news in that part of the wold much these days. The rise of religious nationalism is a strange one in that country. Pre-independence all literature and history suggests that it was a movement that advocated for equal rights for women, respecting minorities, abolishing child marriage, caste system, etc in the name of independence. Post independence it evolved or rather devolved into more standard religious nationalism but I suppose those evolved from the scars of partition and a generation being born post-independence who aren't really aware,
It seems like history repeats itself in every region the minute the generation that suffered atrocities dies out. Helmut Kohl was right about that.
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Hindustan was a name used by Mughal emperors. Folks have to realize that if you think of India as a "country", you have to think of Europe as a "country". India is similar to Europe in that regard. Imagine Europe with all its different languages, cultures, food and ethnicities was conquered and ruled under one country. That's what India is.
As you pointed out, the subcontinent was a hodgepodge of princely states, kingdoms and dynasties. It was only when Mughals conquered today's India is when a unified culture and fabric of India took place. Mughals either conquered the dynasties and states if they stood in their way or made the existing ones into their vassal states. This was the first time a single polity was formed that ruled India from the North to the Deccan.
When the British came along, the Mughals controlled the largest and the richest empire in the world at the time. Fun fact, Tipu Sultan, the king of Mysore and vassal of Mughal at the time provided three ships to George Washington at the time in American Revolution. The same general who lost the American Revolutionary war unfortunately went to the subcontinent and won against Tipu Sultan. In any case, the subcontinent was deeply weakened after Aurungazeb because of internal strife and weak rulers and Brits took advantage of it and conquered the entire subcontinent.
Tldr: the singular polity was established during the Mughals and Tipu Sultan aided George Washington with his three ships filled with weaponry and canon.
India is a very problematic nation. I'm just glad all my relatives there are finally looking to move abroad.
Doesn't help that the priminister has been involved in anti-muslim riots in the past.
Indeed.
Doesn't help that the priminister has been involved in anti-muslim riots in the past.
Indeed.
There have existed Indian kingdoms much before the Mughal empire which covered much (and more but not all) of what is known as modern India (see Ashoka).
It's also important to note I guess what Hindustan means in modern vs historic usage. Nowadays it mostly associated with Hindu nationalism but in the past it was in reference to the Indus river (and the subcontinent region where it resided).
This is India
Kerala represent!
So glad my home providence/state doesnt have any ban or certificate requirement.
You are correct. Ashoka was an ancient ruler though, I was thinking in more during recent-ish history.
Bolded the statements that are innacurate.
Aurangzeb's reign was the last time an 'indigenous' entity ruled over the subcontinent- not the first. Before them was one of the Delhi Sultans, and before them, the Guptas and the Mauryas.
Hell, you could make a point that the Maratha Confederacy briefly usurped Mughal Supremacy over the subcontinent, before they too fell to infighting.
As for the second, NO.
By the time Tipu's reign came about, the Mughals were already a shell of their former selves- courtesy Aurangzeb's extremely costly military ventures in the Deccan, and a series of internal coups.
Tipu was an independent ruler. One under whose regime the world's first iron-cased rocket artilleries were developed.
I'd catch a ban for the things I want to say about the country.
I'm planning on making a thread on 1984 and the treatment of Sikhs one day.
I agree with your overall analogy though, drawing a parallel between European kingdoms and India. Never thought about it that way. Good explanation for people who just don't grasp the cultural diversity present in India and see it as a monolithic state.
Swear I read Hyder Ali accepting the suzerainty of Mughal empire because he was fighting the Marathas all the time. Huh.
Edit: what I mean by when the Brits arrived is when British East India Company arrived and only wanted to trade. They made their strike after Mughals were severely weakened.
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How is lynching so common over there with mobs? Why is such agrressive violence the answer? It's scary people think like that's just okay and normal.
Bet most of these 'angered' people wouldn't also mind having a quarter pounder with cheese every now and then.
As others have said already, this is not about beef. Muslims are still mostly treated as second class citizens in India unless your name is Khan and you belong to the Bollywood movie industry.
As others have said already, this is not about beef. Muslims are still mostly treated as second class citizens in India unless your name is Khan and you belong to the Bollywood movie industry.
India seems to facing an empathy problem. I don't know why there's so much mob violence taking place there.
The partition of India is pretty complex. But basically it was rushed, people in charge were impatient, the British agreed to it and immediately left India (British Empire screwed India hard), etc.
You had a movement of millions from their homes, people of different backgrounds and religions, traveling hundreds of miles, the weather was terrible leading to poor crops and angry farmers/people, etc.
It was just a recipe for disaster.
Just imagine it. I'm going to assume your American, but if your not hopefully you'll still understand my reference. Imagine you live in New York, and Trump talks to Putin, and decides you have to leave your house, your job, etc and walk all the way to Philadelphia. And it's not just you, it's a lot of your neighbors. You've been at your place for decades.
It was your fathers land. It was his fathers. And so on.
And now they want you to move so people can come in and take it? And you get no say in this at all?
And they want you to grab your wife and kids and parents and travel somewhere they want you to be.
You have no idea what awaits you. You don't know if you can trust your new government with this plan. Etc.