That's the Disney movie with the cats, right?
/s, in case it isn't readily apparent
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Disney severs ties with James Gunn after controversial tweets
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Most people in general aren't familiar with the joke. Maybe comedians and the small amount of people who have seen the documentary but it's not some common thing.
I don't like being lumped in with the Alt-Right just because i don't have a huge meltdown over GOTG3 not being made. Or being called stupid, easily manipulated etc. OR that i am not sincere and am arguing in bad faith because i'm a secret alt righter. I'm a big fan of marvel, i paid $60.00 for a blufans edition of GOTG2, see here.... https://www.resetera.com/threads/re...-goods-more-real-pics-only.8983/#post-1646128
I have my own personal reasons why i don't give a flying fuck about someone that jokes about raping children and women is fired from their job, but i wont get into it, because i shouldn't have to play oppression olympics to prove that i am not arguing in bad faith.
It's not normal to make these kind of jokes when you are an adult. Saying "oh it was a different time back then" is weird, because joking about raping children has never been acceptable. So nah i wont forgive him, but that doesn't make me an alt-right person, or someone that is being manipulated. The tweets speak for themselves.
I have my own personal reasons why i don't give a flying fuck about someone that jokes about raping children and women is fired from their job, but i wont get into it, because i shouldn't have to play oppression olympics to prove that i am not arguing in bad faith.
It's not normal to make these kind of jokes when you are an adult. Saying "oh it was a different time back then" is weird, because joking about raping children has never been acceptable. So nah i wont forgive him, but that doesn't make me an alt-right person, or someone that is being manipulated. The tweets speak for themselves.
Depends on his past stuff. His addictions to drugs will be treated by the public as "Past Demons" that he overcame. If he said, and did horrible stuff that involved abuse, then you can believe something like that can be used against him. But all that can be filed under "Past Demons", and the public loves when people can comeback from "Past Demons".
Also has RDJ been involved in political mud slinging? If so, then yes he'll probably become a target.
Folks y'all need to allow folks like Beefy to express how that shit Gunn said (which yes can include believing he ought to have been fired or more specifically never hired) affects him given his life experiences... without attacking him relentlessly.
Shutting down people who are directly harmed by the kind of shit Gunn used to spew helps no one, it hurts victims and shit and it actively denies Gunn his own growth and undercuts his own reaction here.
Ya'll can disagree on Gunn getting axed without labeling Beefy the enemy.
Shutting down people who are directly harmed by the kind of shit Gunn used to spew helps no one, it hurts victims and shit and it actively denies Gunn his own growth and undercuts his own reaction here.
Ya'll can disagree on Gunn getting axed without labeling Beefy the enemy.
I guess that's why I even dropped into begin with. I didn't understand being called that, an idiot, etc. when it's not like his jokes are normally socially acceptable in this environment or at any point ever. It's not like making those kinds of jokes are okay because they're jokes, nor would everyone agree that because it's a joke that it was ever acceptable to begin with.
All she was doing was letting you know dude, you don't gotta make it a big thing
Disney deserve double the out rage bec im 100% sure they knew of this and are back peddling bec some people got mad.
Duh. They knew it before he got hired and only acted when his actions became a hot topic.
Some forgave him.
Some weren't even offended by the jokes in the first place.
No way to guess what the split is.
Just wondering, do you feel that once someone fucks up they're forever tainted no matter what they do to try to make up for it?
So, no forgiveness? Did you even read his post firing statement?
And some don't as is their right.
Contrition with an assumed total forgiveness from those harmed in response is not contrition.
Gunn himself gets this.
How many pages of discussion did reset have before he got fired? How much attention was it courting on twitter and else where?
Sure Disney didn't know how much controversy it would attract in the end, but that's the point, they don't want to find out.
What lassatter did was worse, obviously. But its perception. His shit was far more hidden, not all over twitter. And there wasn't nearly the same public outcry and Lassetter is far more behind the scenes to the public. Gunn is more well known and more engaged to the public. The context is always different from case to case. And Lassetter was considered far more indispensable.
Yes as in things they did wrong that got them into trouble. Try using your brain just a little FFS. Worst kind of poster is the one who nitpicks a single word while completely missing the point of everything else. Needing every single words meaning spelled out to them when it's bloody obvious to everyone else with a brain.
I am aware. I was just making sure the poster wasn't speaking for every abuse victim.
But they were in fact jokes.
They were unfunny and offensive but they were clearly jokes, not declarative statements of intent or confessions of past transgressions.
He's never claimed to but folks have certainly pretended that those who forgive ought to speak for him.
The comment to which I was responding to mentioned "abuse victims." It should be "some abuse victims."
Just a small clarification.
You're splitting hairs to shit on him at this point.
He's been clear. He's also been utterly erased from this conversation by most.
No, I am not. That is a pretty wacky read, tbh.
Anyway, my point has been made. Some abuse victims have forgiven him, some have not, and some saw no offense in the first place.
If there is something else you'd like to say about that, you are welcome to, but I'm satisfied.
This has become very apparent to me after this thread. I guess this is what it feels like to get old and out of touch with the times. And I don't even particularily like shock humour.
Very much agreed. It's okay to disagree in a civilized manner. I certainly get that your personal history will colour your take on this, and every individual person has a right to decide what they are comfortable with and are able to accept.
Blowing shit out of proportion like this is exactly what leads to people making snap judgments like we see here or arenanet.
Maybe instead of getting pissy at me you consider using appropriate descriptors of what you're talking about and not conflating tasteless jokes with being a criminal.
My best guess, and I know this sounds incredibly condescending, is that a lot of the folks saying 2009 was a different time and everyone made jokes about personally raping children, were in middle school at the time.
This situation reminds me of Josh Whedon, where someone who engaged in social media takedowns now finds himself in the center of one. To be fair his tweets are much worse than Josh's crappy humor.
As far as the tweets. I think they go a bit past shock humor. Especially the boys touching him one. So I don't think it's just the subject, otherwise everyone who's made a Catholic priest joke should start preparing for the worst.
I have to say that I'm not thrilled about this one. Love GotG and this is a huge blow. I also don't think this serves any real purpose since he had obviously moved away from that humor.
As far as the tweets. I think they go a bit past shock humor. Especially the boys touching him one. So I don't think it's just the subject, otherwise everyone who's made a Catholic priest joke should start preparing for the worst.
I have to say that I'm not thrilled about this one. Love GotG and this is a huge blow. I also don't think this serves any real purpose since he had obviously moved away from that humor.
The Era thread got like 12 pages before it was locked when discussion was moved to his firing. However by that time I bowed out and stopped following it because I didn't think it was worth bringing it back up and the people who brought it up were assholes who didn't deserve the time of day anyway and were gigantic hypocrites and I only found out about the firing from Twitter when it became a bigger story and when most people on my feed who all mostly think this is unfair and absurdly hypocritical of Disney when they've not only defended worse but even hired Gunn in spite of these same allegations 6 years ago.
It's hard to say if it was worth firing him to begin with but honestly it's still dumb that Disney did this as fast as they did when they were forgiving of so much worse before.
Oppressive and irrepressible inability to provide allowance for personal growth, change, redemption (within reason)? On Etcetra? Surely you jest. Gunn committed no crimes, apologized years ago, and still it is not good enough for some of the inquisition here. This is why we lose. The left can so easily be goaded into cannibalizing itself.
I am so glad I've never used Twitter. Everyone has said something crass or tasteless at one time or another and it's absolutely frightening that this stuff can be weaponized so effectively by trolls with an agenda.
I'm nearly 40. I've never had much interest in schock comedy, but it was certainly very prevalent back then. Far from everybody was doing it, but it was absolutely a thing. I've already mentioned the Aristocrats several times in this and the previous thread. That movie was mainstream back in 2005, was critically acclaimed and features lots of to this day active comedians with jokes far worse than what Gunn wrote. I can't say I lament the passing of this strain of humour, but it was absolutely a thing back then. Google blue comedy.
I mean, it was a different time though. Trends in jokes change with time, as does what's deemed acceptable public speech. That's not to say Gunn's remarks were ever acceptable in the mainstream, but being an edgelord in 2009 is certainly going to be perceived differently from being the same edgelord in 2018.
In any case, neither disagreement or approval of this decision to fire Gunn is objectively wrong. It's a messy issue. Saying someone who agrees with the firing is automatically alt-right is as absurd as saying someone who disagrees with it is automatically a pedophile. There are legitimate reasons to fall on either side of the issue. That said, there are a lot more alt-right dipshits celebrating the firing than there are pedophile or rape-culture enablers decrying it.
Exactly. I feel the people who don't get that 2009-ish was vastly different from our sensibilities today are just too young to remember. Do people really think that it's a coincidence that all the stuff on the Gunns and Oswalt is from around that time? South Park and Family Guy would never have been able to be created these days.
I agree with you that it was dumb and its inconsistent, but that's just the nature of receiving bad PR. It's just timing. How often has someone avoided bad PR simply because the media is too busy with something else? Timing is so important. I think Disney saw the potential bad PR building, and yea it seems stupid to have hired him in the first place if this is how they are going to react, but in those ensuing years I think a lot has changed.
The hypocritical nature of all of this is just the nature of how bad PR goes. We could go on and on, why the public is outraged about X but not Y, when Y is far worse. Of course Disney is hypocritical, they are not following any code. Everything they do is merely what they think is in their best interest at that given point in time. And that is very reactionary to what kind of PR they think they will get, and due to the inconsistent nature of PR, they are never going to be constant with this kinda stuff.
A friend of mine was asking why it was okay for Mamoa to make rape jokes but its not for Gunn? But the context is so different, it's just about what causes potential bad PR. Mamoas slight was small enough that it was easy enough for the public to not care. Disney has no real code other than making money, and they probably don't really care about any of this other than how much it can potentially hurt them.
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I don't think we can put that particular genie back in the bottle. Social media have changed everything and the situation is spiraling out of control. This is only the beginning.
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This has been pointed out several times and then those people came back with "oh you just happen to live your life perfectly and never do anything wrong" or "oh you just want to feel better than people for coming down on him". It's very annoying to talk about this with some of you.
I'm 2008, the people I was in high school with either made dead baby jokes or would compare getting their ass beat in a video game to getting raped. And they were called out for it then.
You don't have to forgive him, but to wish he loses good job over ancient tweets he already apologized for and had not done since means you can't even acknowledge that people can change for the better, and that's just pettiness.
Dislike the man but don't ignore the fact he can and has changed as a person
I guarantee you everyone, everywhere, has made a joke that someone elsewhere will think is offensive
Honestly, I'd assume the big difference there is more that Mamoa only made 1 joke so it's naturally more forgivable to the general public as a simple human mistake (for the record btw: not saying I do or don't) It was a one off thing he did.
Whereas the sheer amount of the stuff Gunn said and the graphic nature tied Disney's hands behind their back. I know there's hypocrisy there with why they even hired him in the first place but put in their shoes, it's hard to imagine Disney moving past this one and not having it bits them in the ass hard.