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Suicreeps

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Another reason Switch could be not as high is alluding to that mass storage of switches they had from earlier. They could've just saved them for further into this month instead of for Odyssey launch, which I guess is a negligible decision but possible. I don't have any data to back that up, neither do I know how demand was affected so it's just a hypothesis.
 

AegonSnake

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What?
You really think it's better shutting down a studio that made Sony multi billion dollars over the years and instead keep a studio that the 2 last games flopped and it was millions in the hole. Really?
Well, technically I wasn't in favor of shutting down any studios. But let's not pretend Sony didnt send Motorstorm Apocalypse to die during the PSN outage after delaying it because of an earthquake in Japan.

DriveClub was also partly their fault because they didnt give Evolution any resources to do a public beta. GT Sports had a six months beta so it seems like Sony has learned. Kaz on the other hand wasted the last 7 years on a PS3 game that released a month after PS4 launched with no cross gen port and a PS4 game without a real campaign. He also refused to let the GT name be used. Look at how far Forza Horizon has come. It sold more than the main entry last year. DriveClub would have sold a ton more with the GT name.

PD takes longer, and costs more money than Evolution Studios. If Evolution has to be shutdown after a couple of commercial failures than PD should as well. Especially after he spent 4 years partying with race car drivers. I always laughed at those pics because he shouldve been working on a fucking single player mode instead of driving fancy cars around race tracks.
 
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October has been "disappointing" hardware wise for the last few years now. Maybe it is the shift into the holiday that is still having an effect.
 

Imad issa

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Another reason Switch could be not as high is alluding to that mass storage of switches they had from earlier. They could've just saved them for further into this month instead of for Odyssey launch, which I guess is a negligible decision but possible. I don't have any data to back that up, neither do I know how demand was affected so it's just a hypothesis.

Switch was available everywhere for October. Stock was not a issue.
 

Loanshark

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Great to see Shadow of War taking the top spot. I enjoyed the game a lot, and its important that singeplayer action-rpgs do well, just to continue showing devs and publishers that these types of games can be a worthwhile investment.
 

edo_kid

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Well, technically I wasn't in favor of shutting down any studios. But let's not pretend Sony didnt send Motorstorm Apocalypse to die during the PSN outage after delaying it because of an earthquake in Japan.

DriveClub was also partly their fault because they didnt give Evolution any resources to do a public beta. GT Sports had a six months beta so it seems like Sony has learned. Kaz on the other hand wasted the last 7 years on a PS3 game that released a month after PS4 launched with no cross gen port and a PS4 game without a real campaign. He also refused to let the GT name be used. Look at how far Forza Horizon has come. It sold more than the main entry last year. DriveClub would have sold a ton more with the GT name.

PD takes longer, and costs more money than Evolution Studios. If Evolution has to be shutdown after a couple of commercial failures than PD should as well. Especially after he spent 4 years partying with race car drivers. I always laughed at those pics because he shouldve been working on a fucking single player mode instead of driving fancy cars around race tracks.

Are you forgetting the whole year that Driveclub was delayed? Let's not blame everything on Sony.
It doest matter that it take longer and costs more when the GT5 prologue alone paid for the whole GT5, and then GT5 sold over 11 million copies. With amount of money PD made Sony they are allowed multiple flops, its not even comparable.

EDIT: Also while GT6 sold way worse than normal that still is far way from a flop. I understand the frustrations with PD but it just not comparable with Evolution, not even close.
 
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slavesnyder

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software down while hardware up is still disappointing, battlefield or not. it's not only about more people buying a console this month than last year's october, but also since last year 12 months have passed and we have now millions of consoles more to play stuff on aka install base. but it seems that either no one does or everyone sticks to the old stuff. I guess gaas and the infinite replayability might be a reason. what the heck are people doing with these consoles? you can't even watch netflix at the moment without feeling guilty. scorpio save us all.
also, who decided to count the SNES mini as console. honestly. wasnt the NES mini counted in the toys category? this is not meant as a downrating, it would just make more sense.
also, the overall bad numbers for GTsports show that online gaming is dying finally and i hope this trend will continue.
 

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Would you say that the likes of Super Mario Odyssey and Assassin's Creed should've had a bigger impact on hardware sales in October, despite coming out so late in the month? My thought was that, since they're coming out so late, they wouldn't do much to bump up sales for October but perhaps I'm just not thinking about it properly

For PS4/Xone, we are far too late in the console cycle to see hw bumps driven by anything but the biggest games. Price promotion or bundling will show up more.

HW sales were fine in Oct, but really have to revisit after the BF sales.

For Switch, more TBD with only 2 days in market.

So, it's a great question, but I'd punt on trying to answer until November.

also, the overall bad numbers for GTsports show that online gaming is dying finally and i hope this trend will continue.

Only clear takeaway.
 

Zedark

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Hmm, odd thing that Super Mario Odyssey sold so much yet Switch didn't move a lot of units. Nice to hear that November is a lot better, though! Could it be that SMO is a more mainstream-oriented title, meaning that customers who want it didn't necessarily go out on day one to buy it but are buying it in November and on for Christmas? That could explain this situation somewhat.
 

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Hmm, odd thing that Super Mario Odyssey sold so much yet Switch didn't move a lot of units. Nice to hear that November is a lot better, though! Could it be that SMO is a more mainstream-oriented title, meaning that customers who want it didn't necessarily go out on day one to buy it but are buying it in November and on for Christmas? That could explain this situation somewhat.

It's Mario, so yeah, it'll push lots of hardware during the holidays.
 

Imad issa

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Hmm, odd thing that Super Mario Odyssey sold so much yet Switch didn't move a lot of units. Nice to hear that November is a lot better, though! Could it be that SMO is a more mainstream-oriented title, meaning that customers who want it didn't necessarily go out on day one to buy it but are buying it in November and on for Christmas? That could explain this situation somewhat.

It's sold over 900k in 2 days, which i think is the fastest selling mario title in NPD ever.
 

WestEgg

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It's sold over 900k in 2 days, which i think is the fastest selling mario title in NPD ever.
I think he still has a point though. Mario isn't a primarily story and experience driven game, like say Zelda, which will have huge pressure to play at launch to avoid spoilers. Even though it will have greater sales overall, I don't think it was seen as a "must have at midnight" for many who still wanted to buy it.
 

Bunkles

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I think next year switch sales will slow down. Those sales for October are not impressive, considering mario released in October and sold a million units in 3 days.

Nah, system is still up weekly in October, just 4 instead of 5 weeks. You'll see the Mario effect happen in November, not the last two days of October. And Switch will continue to outpace PS4/XBO in 2018.
 

Boiled Goose

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It is interesting that Switch is readily available and yet hardware numbers didn't go up that much despite Mario launch.
I think the system has been a home run with a few demographics: enthusiast crowd, nintendo base, lapsed nintendo base. And I think that is reflected in the software sales. Zelda and Mario doing very well, indy and retro style games doing well, etc. It shows that the Switch owner is very up to date and game hungry. That said, I'm not sure the mainstream audience and mainstream gamers have really bought into the Switch just yet. Guess we'll see what happens this holiday.
 

Imad issa

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Nah, system is still up weekly in October, just 4 instead of 5 weeks. You'll see the Mario effect happen in November, not the last two days of October. And Switch will continue to outpace PS4/XBO in 2018.

We'll see, i doubt it though. xbone for sure, but not ps4.

I think he still has a point though. Mario isn't a primarily story and experience driven game, like say Zelda, which will have huge pressure to play at launch to avoid spoilers. Even though it will have greater sales overall, I don't think it was seen as a "must have at midnight" for many who still wanted to buy it.

IDK 1 million in 3 days seem to scream must have in day one to me. Not many many single player games can do that these days. What's more incredible, it actually outsold halo 5 in the same amount of time, who ever thought that would happen.
 
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CrypticSlayer

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That Gamestop Black Friday Ps4 deal is crazy. If Sony has the stock it's going to be one hell of a month. Looking at the deals the Xb1s is getting edged out.
 

WestEgg

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That Gamestop Black Friday Ps4 deal is crazy. If Sony has the stock it's going to be one hell of a month. Looking at the deals the Xb1s is getting edged out.
I was planning to pick up either a PS4 or Xbox One next year, but those deals do look good. I'm leaning Xbox because of 360 backwards compatibility and Cuphead.
 

Benji

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Another reason Switch could be not as high is alluding to that mass storage of switches they had from earlier. They could've just saved them for further into this month instead of for Odyssey launch, which I guess is a negligible decision but possible. I don't have any data to back that up, neither do I know how demand was affected so it's just a hypothesis.

There was no saving of anything. Stock is plentiful the entire month.

We are juseeing what the consumer demand for October was. Nothing more nothing less
 

John Harker

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From what I can tell, GTS outsold F7 in terms of units by like rounded 15k (so, either way, razer finish) but F7 had a much stronger SKU strategy cause their ASP killed it. So much higher in Rev.

I'm not much of a racing game guy but I've said this before, it's one of the more interesting elements to look at this year, from Sept through March, factoring in TC2, it's a huge product investment in what's ostensibly a minor genre these days
 

Mory Dunz

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Minecraft, Skyrim and Mario + Rabbids will probably end up the best selling 3rd party games in 2017 on the Switch. Two evergreen titles and one Ubisoft game with Nintendo branding. It's too bad we haven't gotten any type of an idea about Minecraft's sales on the Switch, I expect it to end up selling over 2M units this year. In terms of revenue Rabbids will be on top due to the expansion pass, while Skyrim will probably end up with 1M sales WW over the course of the holidays.

Mania will pretty easily beat Skyrim imo.
 

ElephantShell

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Console sales in general are gonna be huge this holiday. First holiday for Switch, Xbox One X just came out, the thirst for PS4 seems to be constant. All three should have great sales.
 

slavesnyder

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It is interesting that Switch is readily available and yet hardware numbers didn't go up that much despite Mario launch.
I think the system has been a home run with a few demographics: enthusiast crowd, nintendo base, lapsed nintendo base. And I think that is reflected in the software sales. Zelda and Mario doing very well, indy and retro style games doing well, etc. It shows that the Switch owner is very up to date and game hungry. That said, I'm not sure the mainstream audience and mainstream gamers have really bought into the Switch just yet. Guess we'll see what happens this holiday.
There might be truth here. At the moment the switch is a phantastic concept, but targeted at those who like zelda and mario and mario kart. unfortunately, this might largely be the same people. idie games are a nice add on, but honestly that's no reason to fork out that much money alone.
so the hardcore nintendo crowd might already have bought a switch or are waiting for a nice discount on black friday (haha, nintendo doing discounts...). it's roundabout the wiiU situation, only with a console that doesn't look like it was designed by playschool.
the wii propelled it's sales also because of ruthless attacks on broader demographics with WiiFit, WiiSports and even trash like WiiMusic. I don't ask for this kind of stuff, but they have to offer something off the core nevertheless. the DS had kawashima and stuff like that (a genre that would not motivate console buyers nowerdays because it's somehow mobile gaming before mobile). Anyway, the switch will do alrighty, but i'm still waiting for the broad appeal surprise. it could have been, should have been 1, 2 switch, but this chance was wasted in a terrible manner.
 

allan-bh

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From what I can tell, GTS outsold F7 in terms of units by like rounded 15k (so, either way, razer finish) but F7 had a much stronger SKU strategy cause their ASP killed it. So much higher in Rev.

I'm not much of a racing game guy but I've said this before, it's one of the more interesting elements to look at this year, from Sept through March, factoring in TC2, it's a huge product investment in what's ostensibly a minor genre these days


It's worth mentioning that october doesn't include first 2 days of Forza 7 Ultimate Edition sales that were covered in september.
 

Hindle

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Its absolutely critical that PD are efficient with the content rollout for GTS. If they spend months being silent, then people will just lose interest.

This new model for the franchise requires clarity and regular updates, expansions, etc.

The problem is that i dont trust PD to possess any of this.
 
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For PS4/Xone, we are far too late in the console cycle to see hw bumps driven by anything but the biggest games. Price promotion or bundling will show up more.

HW sales were fine in Oct, but really have to revisit after the BF sales.

For Switch, more TBD with only 2 days in market.

So, it's a great question, but I'd punt on trying to answer until November.
Oh okay, yeah, I suppose that would make sense. They're both mature systems with a large library of games at this point. No one game would sway a ton of people towards buying a PS4 or an XB1, it'd mainly be the libraries overall alongside pricing and bundles

Yeah, that seems to be the month to look for. October seemed like a bit of a slower month compared to last month or the ones that'll follow

That Gamestop Black Friday Ps4 deal is crazy. If Sony has the stock it's going to be one hell of a month. Looking at the deals the Xb1s is getting edged out.
Hmm...well I already got a PS4 but I don't have an XB1 yet. Most of my friends have one and are constantly asking me to get one for Fortnite so I might bite. Helps that I can play my 360 games, all 2 of them :P, on the XB1
 

Kill3r7

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I doubt that's what happened, I'm just surprised if the multiplayer focus was such a big deal for the mainstream gamers, I thought people would ignore that and it would sell like crazy just by having Gran Turismo in the title.

Let's face it, sim racing is on its last legs if not already dead in the US.
 

Gestault

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From what I can tell, GTS outsold F7 in terms of units by like rounded 15k (so, either way, razer finish) but F7 had a much stronger SKU strategy cause their ASP killed it. So much higher in Rev.

I'm not much of a racing game guy but I've said this before, it's one of the more interesting elements to look at this year, from Sept through March, factoring in TC2, it's a huge product investment in what's ostensibly a minor genre these days

Pardon my ignorance, "ASP," "Rev," and "SKU strategy?? I figure I may not be alone in being unfamilar with the terms, and I wasn't able to follow your post without them.
 

Hindle

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I expect Turn 10 to have the first expansion to Forza 7 by Jan-March. Ideally PD need the same.
 

Hawk269

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Expected the top 3. Forza over GTS is surprising

This surprised me too. Forza released on 10/3 while GT released on 10/17, but the install base is way higher on PS4 than on Xbox One and with the pedigree that GT has I expected it to pounce over Forza. I know many GT fans were saying that would happen, but for me I think F7 is an overall much better package.
 
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