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Oct 25, 2017
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huh?? roughly around 50% of people who voted in the last presidential election chose Trump
People voting for Trump voted because a whole confluence of things, one of them being at best an acceptance of racism yes, but there was an inordinate amount of things that went into those votes.

Not an inordinate amount of things go into broadcasting slurs. And it's everywhere on Twitch. Even a vast majority of Trump voters are not public about themselves as a lightning rod for foul behavior.

If you want to address the "human problem" of racism I guess be my guest, but I'll be waiting for a while for that to trickle down to Twitch, a platform I want to enjoy, instead of just addressing it directly I guess.
 

Trike

One Winged Slayer
The Fallen
Nov 6, 2017
2,391
So why not just call out Destiny specifically? Why pretend you had any other agenda? Message him directly on twitch or something if you're that upset. I'm not saying his use of slurs is my favorite thing or anything, but give more examples of twitch streamers/racism if you want to make some point about twitch in general
 

Deleted member 34714

User requested account closure
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Nov 28, 2017
1,617
People voting for Trump voted because a whole confluence of things, one of them being at best an acceptance of racism yes, but there was an inordinate amount of things that went into those votes.

Not an inordinate amount of things go into broadcasting slurs. And it's everywhere on Twitch. Even a vast majority of Trump voters are not public about themselves as a lightning rod for foul behavior.

If you want to address the "human problem" of racism I guess be my guest, but I'll be waiting for a while for that to trickle down to Twitch, a platform I want to enjoy, instead of just addressing it directly I guess.

Throw some streamer names here, I will be happy to report them and I am sure others will.
 

Windrunner

Sly
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Oct 25, 2017
6,486
I don't like some of the language Destiny uses at times but let's be real, he has done more to dismantle and expose the far right shitheads on Youtube than probably anyone and in the process stopped a lot of young people from getting radicalised by their hateful, deceitful and illogical rhetoric.

I hope he one day realises that using slurs like retard or faggot is pretty fucked up and bigoted but for now let's not have perfection be the enemy of good as really he's a decent lad under the internet edge lord exterior.
 

Applebite

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Oct 27, 2017
569
What I think is interesting is that he generally is against using such terms because, as someone with a platform, it's not something he wants to promote. He doesn't want to accidentally reaffirm racists or homophobes and their beliefs. But I also remember when he was streaming on Youtube, he had someone pushing him about his use of the F-word that got him banned and he really didn't feel any sort of moral imperative to regulate his language. I don't know, I hope I'm not misrepresenting that. I'm not 100% clear on what his position on this sort of policing your own language because of the sort of racist or homophobic implications there might be is, so I'd love for him to respond to this stuff or at least elaborate.

And no, he is not "putting up an act" pretending to be more left leaning or trying to deceive anyone, he doesn't gain anything from that. If anything it would be far easier for him to lean into the gamerbro "anti-SJW" bullshit and make money off of that, especially with the debating skills he had accrued over time. That conspiracy bullshit about him hiding some secret racist opinions while pretending to be left leaning is unfounded and stupid. Anyone that has watched this guy for extended periods knows that all he cares about is being right and consistent in his principles and how he applies them. That's why he does these debates.

As for Twitch overall, yeah, there definitely is a problem with racism and sexism. There are remnants of the gamergate bullshit in there for sure. But if you're looking for someone to blame, or some symbol of that problem, it is absolutely not Destiny of all people.
 

Parenegade

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
3,589
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/292469071

So, Ionno, supposedly Destiny on Twitch is like a good person but then he called someone a "retarded fag" on League of Legends. The first hour of this podcast is completely bonkers. It's downplaying the severity of hate language. I don't know why but it's truly fascinating just how far up their asses these individuals are. You got people downplaying racism because it's not intended to be harmful, admitting to saying some really racist words in private with their absolutely not-racist friends, and that people inject their agenda and aren't actually mad about things like the host going on a rant about how women are destroying Twitch.

Twitch was a mistake.

I can't fact check everything else but the host absolutely didn't go on a rant about how women are destroying Twitch. That's borderline slander OP. Let me make it clear I'm not saying Trainwreck isn't a garbage person who does actually believe that but I did listen to his rant and thats not what he said.

I'd also like to call you out for your "Twitch was a mistake" comment. Just because Twitch has shit tier people on its platform doesn't make the platform bad.

"But but but if you don't curate your platform you're a trash platform"

First of all I agree Twitch needs to do a much better job at curation. But if that's how you evaluate a platform please tell me which platforms weren't a mistake? Reddit? YouTube? Twitter? Facebook? They all have this same problem. It's an inherent problem with humanity. It doesn't absolve the platform of its failings but you can't just point the figure at Twitch and pat yourself on the back.
 
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Adree

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Oct 25, 2017
4,072
OP that is just the start of it.





Also, go into most big overwatch streams/tournament streams and see what chat turns into once a black person shows up on screen.


cr1tikal (the person narrating those) had Notch on his podcast 2 weeks ago. Was a shock to see that and got me to unsub for good.
 

IceFireTerry

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Mar 17, 2018
345
What I think is interesting is that he generally is against using such terms because, as someone with a platform, it's not something he wants to promote. He doesn't want to accidentally reaffirm racists or homophobes and their beliefs. But I also remember when he was streaming on Youtube, he had someone pushing him about his use of the F-word that got him banned and he really didn't feel any sort of moral imperative to regulate his language. I don't know, I hope I'm not misrepresenting that. I'm not 100% clear on what his position on this sort of policing your own language because of the sort of racist or homophobic implications there might be is, so I'd love for him to respond to this stuff or at least elaborate.

And no, he is not "putting up an act" pretending to be more left leaning or trying to deceive anyone, he doesn't gain anything from that. If anything it would be far easier for him to lean into the gamerbro "anti-SJW" bullshit and make money off of that, especially with the debating skills he had accrued over time. That conspiracy bullshit about him hiding some secret racist opinions while pretending to be left leaning is unfounded and stupid. Anyone that has watched this guy for extended periods knows that all he cares about is being right and consistent in his principles and how he applies them. That's why he does these debates.

As for Twitch overall, yeah, there definitely is a problem with racism and sexism. There are remnants of the gamergate bullshit in there for sure. But if you're looking for someone to blame, or some symbol of that problem, it is absolutely not Destiny of all people.
this, anybody who knows the internet should know that all the money is in "anti sjw" content. he is going after people who dox & threat him. there is no benefit other than a moral one
 

Skyball Paint

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Nov 12, 2017
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I wonder if you could even, say, mute everyone who uses TriHard for a while. Not even banning them. Would forcing users to sit out of the interactive part of Twitch streaming be enough to encourage them to stop?

Punishing people for using the default universal emotes would be utterly absurd

just remove the emote
 

lvl 99 Pixel

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Oct 25, 2017
44,634
People suggesting its only USA are out of their damn minds. Ive seen so much heinous shit from OCE region to the point where I don't even play games with strangers any more.
 

Seeya

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
7,984
What I think is interesting is that he generally is against using such terms because, as someone with a platform, it's not something he wants to promote. He doesn't want to accidentally reaffirm racists or homophobes and their beliefs. But I also remember when he was streaming on Youtube, he had someone pushing him about his use of the F-word that got him banned and he really didn't feel any sort of moral imperative to regulate his language. I don't know, I hope I'm not misrepresenting that. I'm not 100% clear on what his position on this sort of policing your own language because of the sort of racist or homophobic implications there might be is, so I'd love for him to respond to this stuff or at least elaborate.

And no, he is not "putting up an act" pretending to be more left leaning or trying to deceive anyone, he doesn't gain anything from that. If anything it would be far easier for him to lean into the gamerbro "anti-SJW" bullshit and make money off of that, especially with the debating skills he had accrued over time. That conspiracy bullshit about him hiding some secret racist opinions while pretending to be left leaning is unfounded and stupid. Anyone that has watched this guy for extended periods knows that all he cares about is being right and consistent in his principles and how he applies them. That's why he does these debates.

As for Twitch overall, yeah, there definitely is a problem with racism and sexism. There are remnants of the gamergate bullshit in there for sure. But if you're looking for someone to blame, or some symbol of that problem, it is absolutely not Destiny of all people.

This. Destiny is always authentic in how he presents himself and his thinking even to his detriment when it would be much easier to simply lie or censor himself. I have no problem defending him in general. He doesn't meet some people's purity tests, but he has been unwavering in taking on and dismantling anti intellectual alt right arguements and icons.
 

Vivi

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Nov 10, 2017
345
Twitch only? Gaming in general has a problem. You actively have people criticizing games and refusing to buy them because. "oh the characters look too asian" "ugh the game has black people they forced in." etc. its quite sick and honestly makes me mad.
 

Neonep

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Oct 25, 2017
5,744
A lot of the gaming community are people that either don't have friends or good friends and grew up playing games online. You can't really get reality checked online, worse that can happen is some type of ban. In real life, a lot of the stuff they say online wouldn't be said because they would get beat up or fired from their job. They typically lash out only online because something is wrong in their life somewhere and they are uneducated. This is where getting out and having a diverse group of friends comes into play in life. I would feel sorrow and pity but given my background whatever they get as backlash to how they act, I hope it comes back to them 10x.
 

Jumpman64

Banned
Oct 30, 2017
550
It's not just twitch, it's any form of social media where people feel either empowered, or some sort of fake bravery since the other person isn't really next to them. Then you have some people just saying it for shock value.

I was playing fortnite today in a random squad and while it was annoying that I got paired up with two little kids I just muted my mike so I couldn't here them screaming. however some jackass who sounded like he was 25-35 yelled the n-word when he died. It was not directed at the kids, but still I felt so bad that these little boys had to hear that word while they were having fun playing a game.
 

lvl 99 Pixel

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Oct 25, 2017
44,634
It's not just twitch, it's any form of social media where people feel either empowered, or some sort of fake bravery since the other person isn't really next to them. Then you have some people just saying it for shock value.

I was playing fortnite today in a random squad and while it was annoying that I got paired up with two little kids I just muted my mike so I couldn't here them screaming. however some jackass who sounded like he was 25-35 yelled the n-word when he died. It was not directed at the kids, but still I felt so bad that these little boys had to hear that word while they were having fun playing a game.

Its extra easy for people to fall into this habit in games because you're always using a gamertag/alias which farther detaches people from the fact that they're interacting with real people, and its often in a competitive environment where stress will bring out the absolute worst in people to the point where it might end up normalizing that kind of behavior over time, and even more common when theres affirmation from their friends they queue up with.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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A lot of the online gaming community is toxic, especially if you're a female or a minority. You're automatically a target.
 

Steven Bonnell II

Twitch Streamer Destiny
Banned
Nov 10, 2017
17
User Banned (Permanent): Homophobic and racial slurs have caused great pain for many members of our community and the defense of their use is not acceptable here.
Wew lads. It's really late and there are a lot of ideas running around here. I'll chime in with my two cents, but this post is gonna be pretty sloppy so bear with me.

Firstly, I am not your friendly, neighborhood progressive. If your previous view of me was that, erase that from your head right now. I do not care, intrinsically, about minorities, or women, or people, or racism, or anything like that. It is not part of my rhetoric to convince people that these things are morally bad, it is not part of my characters to be inherently concerned with these things. I believe that feminism and equal opportunities for minorities tend to produce better outcomes worldwide. This is why I end up at many of the same positions that progressives end up.

I am repeating this one more time, my internal thought process is not motivated by any pure, morally virtuous desire to help people or make people feel better.

Now that we have that out of the way, let's talk about homophobic and racial slurs.

From a personal point of view, I don't think any word, inherently, should be off limits or out of bounds. There are times when using extremely vulgar language can achieve a great effect.

This, so far, should be undeniable.

Does racist language make a person racist? Does homophobic language make a person homophobic? Not necessarily, as much as it might upset some of you to consider this.

A person using homophobic language is not necessarily homophobic, though they oftentimes are unintentionally spreading homophobia.

This seems like a meaningless distinction, but I believe there's a great deal of difference between telling someone they are unintentionally empowering homophobic people vs being a homophobic person. Maybe you don't care, but to the person receiving the message, it matters, trust me.

As a public figure who lives in a society I have to be mindful of how I speak. Ultimately the way my message is interpreted by a viewer is my responsibility, or at least I believe I have some due diligence to ensure people aren't taking away the wrong message from my speech. This is why I generally avoid things like "faggot" or other types of heavy racial humor, and it's why I've been trying to edit out things like "retarded" and "autistic" from my vocabulary. I don't like the idea that people watching me could get an idea that I am homophobic in a way they might be, and I don't like the idea that racist people could listen to me and find companionship in what I'm saying, or some kind of affirmation in their horrible worldviews. I've written about this more extensively here, if you care to read.

Do I say offensive jokes privately that I would never say on stream? You better believe it. But why, what's the difference?

I have never much been concerned with the words themselves, but rather the thoughts/ideas they can spread.

A community that openly uses the word "faggot" probably feels unwelcoming because there are still a lot of gamers (and, larger, elements of society) that still act incredibly homophobic. If a friend of mine uses "faggot" in some insulting way in a private setting, I don't generally think twice about them saying it. If a stranger uses that word, I'm very uncomfortable around them because I don't know if they're actually a homophobic person.

These distinctions may be meaningless to you, and to some extent you can argue that using racial/homophobic slurs in ANY context should be off limits, and I'm fine with tackling those arguments. I generally don't like being called "racist" or "homophobic" because I believe my body of work (can u call a utube channel that tho) speaks for itself, but if you believe that my actions help to spread homophobic thought, maybe you don't care to make the distinction.

I'm sleeping and I'll answer what I can when I wake up, and maybe even proofread/edit this if there are major fuckups.

Stay safe my children.
 

Mistouze

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Oct 26, 2017
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At this point it doesn't feel like it's a problem to these platform as long as they don't catch shit for it.

They'll entertain any audience if it earns them money. They'll only do something if it ends up hurting their bottom line.

It's a sad state of affairs, really. Same goes for all the social networks giants.
 

Windrunner

Sly
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Oct 25, 2017
6,486
This is why I generally avoid things like "faggot" or other types of heavy racial humor, and it's why I've been trying to edit out things like "retarded" and "autistic" from my vocabulary.

You've been saying this for years though. I appreciate the desire to change but come on, how hard can it be? If nothing else you're a lot more entertaining with your putdowns when you don't resort to using these words.

Regardless I understand the nuance of your broader post and thank you for doing what you do: it's important and appreciated.
 

Steven Bonnell II

Twitch Streamer Destiny
Banned
Nov 10, 2017
17
You've been saying this for years though. I appreciate the desire to change but come on, how hard can it be? If nothing else you're a lot more entertaining with your putdowns when you don't resort to using these words.

Regardless I understand the nuance of your broader post and thank you for doing what you do: it's important and appreciated.

I've lost the majority to use most of my "putdowns" because they generally involve creative ways of telling someone to off themselves. The world's a way different place than it used to be, my entire previous forms of communication are pretty much platform-wide banned now.

It's hard to exist in a community of people that use a certain vernacular and not embrace said vernacular. You can call someone an ignoramus or >insert other lol dictionary word here< but they don't really have the same impact. I guess you can take it a step farther and go "ehhh why do you even feel the need to say mean things to people" but at some point it's like, meh.
 

DrBo42

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
3,760
I've lost the majority to use most of my "putdowns" because they generally involve creative ways of telling someone to off themselves. The world's a way different place than it used to be, my entire previous forms of communication are pretty much platform-wide banned now.

It's hard to exist in a community of people that use a certain vernacular and not embrace said vernacular. You can call someone an ignoramus or >insert other lol dictionary word here< but they don't really have the same impact. I guess you can take it a step farther and go "ehhh why do you even feel the need to say mean things to people" but at some point it's like, meh.
You've talked about your content against right-leaning personalities resulting in their communities brigading your comments or actively trying to deplatform you. I'm trying to understand how that isn't a strong enough motivator to change your vocabulary if how you come across to others or the moral component aren't important to you.
 
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Windrunner

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Oct 25, 2017
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I've lost the majority to use most of my "putdowns" because they generally involve creative ways of telling someone to off themselves. The world's a way different place than it used to be, my entire previous forms of communication are pretty much platform-wide banned now.

It's hard to exist in a community of people that use a certain vernacular and not embrace said vernacular. You can call someone an ignoramus or >insert other lol dictionary word here< but they don't really have the same impact. I guess you can take it a step farther and go "ehhh why do you even feel the need to say mean things to people" but at some point it's like, meh.

You don't have to sanitise yourself in the process of ditching certain slurs. I find appending words to "cunt" works pretty well when I want to vent, it's a pretty versatile word (even more so in Australia than here in the UK!) and calling someone a thick cunt or thick as pig shit is preferable to using the word retard or using autistic as an insult.
 

upinsmoke

Banned
Oct 26, 2017
2,566
Unfortunately in this day and age you have so many platforms for idiots to display there hatred, wether that's racism or homophobia.

It's not like Twitch is the only issue, it's just another way for people to broadcast that shite. Same as FB or Twitter or whatever. More should be done yeah, perma bans etc
 

Blade Wolf

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
9,512
Taiwan
What? Destiny is left as fuck, he might not be as far left as you, that doesn't mean he is right or alt-right by any stretch of imagination.

It's okay to be 85% progressive instead of 100%, but that's just my opinion.

Why to downplay it?

Racism and other shitty behavior is global human issue, not somehow happening only on Internet and/or Western countries. It's everywhere.

I don't think people are trying to ''downplay'' it, it's just that racism really isn't that uncommon, racism is like violence, it's part of our evil human nature, we can fight it and we should fight it, that doesn't change the fact that it is a (really bad) part of our culture.

Racism is everywhere. In the west racism is the hate of colors, like white hating black and brown, etc. In here Asia racism is a hate of culture and people, like Japanese hating Korean and Chinese hating Japanese, etc.

It's absolutely terrible, but it is who we are, some of us are better yes, but most just aren't. Should we keep fighting it? Absolutely, but just like violence, I don't think it's ever going to go away completely.
 
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Z-Brownie

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Nov 6, 2017
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this is not a gamers only problem, the problem is that as games got more and more popular, a thing that used to be niche to people with high intelectual minds is now infested with low tier human beings. Sorry if I sound too "elitist" or even "high grounded", it's not my intention, but is they way I see the situation, and before anyone asks if I have some "clarification":

when I was a kid, most of videogames and pen and paper rpgs was played by really nerdy people that used to enjoy study and learn, used to think about stuff as a comunity perspective and how fucked the world is and how people should be united against poverty and racism. I am from a country where black people is the majority and there is racism around every corner. And most of my gaming mates are black or even homosexuals. So the game comunity used to be the safe heaven for them because everyone was kind of supportive becaus of education and the racism around them. Now that games are for everyone, lots of duchbags are on gaming comunities infesting their safe heaven, those guys used to be at clubs, pubs or sports centers, now they are on the "minority ground" and pushing them away from there. This is what i think is happening. I hope i'm right, I could not stand to think that a "trully gamer comunity" is being this fucked up by they own.
 

TrueSloth

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Oct 27, 2017
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I've lost the majority to use most of my "putdowns" because they generally involve creative ways of telling someone to off themselves. The world's a way different place than it used to be, my entire previous forms of communication are pretty much platform-wide banned now.

It's hard to exist in a community of people that use a certain vernacular and not embrace said vernacular. You can call someone an ignoramus or >insert other lol dictionary word here< but they don't really have the same impact. I guess you can take it a step farther and go "ehhh why do you even feel the need to say mean things to people" but at some point it's like, meh.
What value do you find in using these gamer culture "putdowns"? Why do you care to participate in gamer culture?
 

Mesoian

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Oct 28, 2017
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Does racist language make a person racist? Does homophobic language make a person homophobic? Not necessarily, as much as it might upset some of you to consider this.
A person using homophobic language is not necessarily homophobic, though they oftentimes are unintentionally spreading homophobia.

UGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGH.

"So remember kids, it's fine to use slurs, as long as you really don't mean it."

Get the fuck outta here.
 
Oct 28, 2017
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A person using homophobic language is not necessarily homophobic, though they oftentimes are unintentionally spreading homophobia.

This seems like a meaningless distinction, but I believe there's a great deal of difference between telling someone they are unintentionally empowering homophobic people vs being a homophobic person. Maybe you don't care, but to the person receiving the message, it matters, trust me.
This comes off as disingenuous when the subject is yourself (and, tbh, it comes off as that anyway), because you obviously know the meaning and context of the words you are or have been using.

Continuing in using ableist (or racist or sexist or homphobic) slurs as insults, whether under a playful or aggressive context, without meaning them to be ableist (racist, sexist or homophobic) doesn't work; they still have their definition what those words mean and represent on their own or in a sentence; trying to forcibly blunt their meaning out by repeatedly frequently using it as a soft and meaningless insult or an allegory for "stupid" is stupid, and it doesn't matter if the receiver gets it -- you don't live in a bubble and, you know, that behaviour kinda sets a shitty precedent for those who follow your example.

You can't present this argument and turn around and vomit up that shite just to get under the skins of people you are angry towards or otherwise don't like. There are plenty of ways to throw insults in English or other languages if you wanna be creative. How hard is a bit of conscientiousness?
 
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Kyzer

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Oct 25, 2017
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You'd be surprised how many gamers are just terrible people

Or maybe you wouldn't be surprised at all
 

Mobyduck

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Oct 27, 2017
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Alo0oy

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Oct 25, 2017
1,091
Bahrain
Twitch has been a place for racist white dude gamers to congregate for years, the blame relies on both the streamers for not shutting that shit down, and Twitch for not cracking down on obvious white supremacist symbols like Pepe the frog.