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Wolfenstein II: The New Colossus |OT| Amerika ist wieder großartig
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I thought it was blood piss at first too, but it's just regular. There was blood on the floor already from him shooting the actor.
Uh...kind-of off-topic but...is it safe to insert a gun into the right hand of the BJ action figure you get from the collector's edition? Similar case with the Noctis figure from Final fantasy 15's collector's edition where it feels like I'm going to break a hand if I try to insert a weapon into the grip.
Its so goddamn satisfying to run around with dual shotguns and
. Its fucking amazing. I love this game.
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That was insanely badass. Pretty much all the badass stuff in this game could be described as "unnecessary", it's always super overthetop, goofy but great.
Finally picked this up after what has been a stacked period for games. I was never a huge fan of TNO. For starters it made me feel nauseous, the graphics were unremarkable and the gunplay lacked a bit of impact. Happy to say that none of this applies in the sequel. Enemy hit reactions stand out in particular as improved. Scything through enemies one after another finally feels as brutal and electrifying as it should!
One thing this game still suffers from though is hit feedback. I died an awful lot in TNO from simply not knowing when I was taking damage, and I'm falling into the same pattern here (Do or Die difficulty). On the flip side I like how items are now auto picked up while also being more plentiful. This rewards a run and gun style which suits the game better than the sometimes peek-a-boo firefights that TNO could descend into.
One thing this game still suffers from though is hit feedback. I died an awful lot in TNO from simply not knowing when I was taking damage, and I'm falling into the same pattern here (Do or Die difficulty). On the flip side I like how items are now auto picked up while also being more plentiful. This rewards a run and gun style which suits the game better than the sometimes peek-a-boo firefights that TNO could descend into.
The auto pick up range some times is a bit too small (I haven't played a lot, I don't know if it can be improved with some perk, I think not), but yes is a very nice addition. Also your character moves far more fast than in TNO/TOB, in those games I wasn't able to play "run and gun" without using ADS, but in TNC I can. Of course you need to be careful, but its far more feasible than in the previous games.
I have a lot of complaints about the gameplay -- there's so much going on and it all feels unnecessary -- but holy shit that story was so amazing.
I'm just kind of gobsmacked that they've been working on this for three plus years and it comes out now and ends like fucking Scrooged, looking right at the camera and saying, "Fucking kill some Nazis," and like...they absolutely fucking fell into a miracle of marketing opportunity and theming. The game is so horribly depressing for four hours then after That Part, You Know The One, it's just a fucking rip-roaring adventure about getting some fucking gratification. They make you hate Nazis, then spend the latter half of the game mowing them down. What a cathartic, beautiful game.
Side note -- in the bar, when you play Wolfstone? I love how they obviously put "Look out!" with a German guy doing a bad American accent with an English line, replacing the American guy doing a bad German dub of a German line. Cute, funny touch.
Now, a final thought:
I'm just kind of gobsmacked that they've been working on this for three plus years and it comes out now and ends like fucking Scrooged, looking right at the camera and saying, "Fucking kill some Nazis," and like...they absolutely fucking fell into a miracle of marketing opportunity and theming. The game is so horribly depressing for four hours then after That Part, You Know The One, it's just a fucking rip-roaring adventure about getting some fucking gratification. They make you hate Nazis, then spend the latter half of the game mowing them down. What a cathartic, beautiful game.
Side note -- in the bar, when you play Wolfstone? I love how they obviously put "Look out!" with a German guy doing a bad American accent with an English line, replacing the American guy doing a bad German dub of a German line. Cute, funny touch.
Now, a final thought:
I remember with TNO they said that Hitler was dead because you killed him in Wolfenstein. Now that's not true. So we have Hitler alive, Futurama head-in-a-jar technology obviously working, and the third game is coming up next...we're getting Mecha-Hitler, aren't we? Like, that's the final boss of Wolf III, right? It has to be.
I was pretty much thinking the same throughout the second half.
The head in a jar, Venus, Hitler, a million little details, everything was feeling off, even by Wolfenstein already bizarre standards.
But the scene that really made me go
"ok this isn't happening" was the birthday. I mean, it's so... weird, and exactly what BJ would dream before dying I guess.
And I'm still not sure.
The ending seems pretty definitive to me: it IS happening. But now that I'm reading your post, I'm thinking "or is it? Would they really try to pull off this kind of fuckery?" That'd be incredible.
I did notice a complete shift in the game. From the annoying 40% health all the time to 100% health. I noticed the game seemed easier after that as well.
Nearly completed the game, but is there a new game plus? What does it change if there is one?
Nearly completed the game, but is there a new game plus? What does it change if there is one?
Super short. Each character basically has a power identical to a contraption, which I thought was kinda silly and feels a bit low effort / cheap for just straight up recycling. But it's more of the fun core game play with a slightly more specific focus, which isn't a bad thing. I'm hoping the full freedom chronicles missions are a bit more unique feeling.
I really dislike the controls on the console version but overall the gameplay is fun and fast paced and old school which is a nice change of pace. Really feel like the new York level was a bit poor though. They barely even make a thing out of the empire state building or landmarks, in general, and the journey to the empire state building was like a couple busted houses, a short detour into a subway, and then a short ladder trip up. It was like something you'd see in a AAA game made 10 years ago.
Just finished the game. A few random thoughts.
- I really liked it, even though its level design takes a step back compared to the first game. Not even in terms of structure, which seemed on par with the first game with a good mix of both open spaces funneling you into more linear corridors, but moreso about enemy placement and characteristics.
- I found more often than not, stealth was nearly impossible and very trial and error based, which resulted into most sections of the game being gunfights. I understand they had to make stealth less forgiving due to how easy it was in the first game, but they took it too far in the other direction, where stealth now feels trivial most of the time. It's a shame since that's how I liked playing TNO.
- I think it's a superior game mechanically to its predecessor, but these fights seemed.. half-baked? Hitscan enemies in open areas, which are bound to almost kill you in most fights (especially during the first half of the game where your base HP is halved and your weapons aren't as powerful) which then forces you to run around corridors to pick up health and armor. It felt very disjointed and messy, while The New Order was able to balance its fights better and the transition from stealth to action felt more fluid.
- I thought the writing was really good, like the first game, but I have a few issues/questions about how the story progresses
I still need some more time to sit on it, but I do think it's a more ambitious game in terms of its storytelling and general scope and wish it had that same focus in its game design. I really fuckin hope they get to finish the trilogy.
- I really liked it, even though its level design takes a step back compared to the first game. Not even in terms of structure, which seemed on par with the first game with a good mix of both open spaces funneling you into more linear corridors, but moreso about enemy placement and characteristics.
- I found more often than not, stealth was nearly impossible and very trial and error based, which resulted into most sections of the game being gunfights. I understand they had to make stealth less forgiving due to how easy it was in the first game, but they took it too far in the other direction, where stealth now feels trivial most of the time. It's a shame since that's how I liked playing TNO.
- I think it's a superior game mechanically to its predecessor, but these fights seemed.. half-baked? Hitscan enemies in open areas, which are bound to almost kill you in most fights (especially during the first half of the game where your base HP is halved and your weapons aren't as powerful) which then forces you to run around corridors to pick up health and armor. It felt very disjointed and messy, while The New Order was able to balance its fights better and the transition from stealth to action felt more fluid.
- I thought the writing was really good, like the first game, but I have a few issues/questions about how the story progresses
I was digging the game's first half and how bleak it felt, especially BJ reflecting on his past/childhood, his physical and mental state and moreso about accepting his inevitable death. But then all this... just stops after the insane scene halfway through? I don't mind crazy tonal shifts, but it seemed a little far fetched and the game undermines the thematic foundations that it builds. Then I was thinking, and I'm sure others ITT speculated this too: is this all supposed to be a dream before BJ's death? The courtroom scene shows it's possible, and when he asks Anya whether or not this is all real, he doesn't get a clear cut answer. It also explains some of the more absurd and surreal moments in the second half, like topless Anya covered in blood wrecking nazis, the birthday party, BJ snapping Wyatt out of his acid induced craze like it's nothing, seeing Hitler. I'm usually not an 'indoctrination theory' type with stories, but I really do think this is a possibility that the devs intended. Of course this might all be bullshit, since the series has shown it can be ridiculous in other moments than the ones I noted, but it'd be cool if they did leave this ambiguous for the eventual third game.
I still need some more time to sit on it, but I do think it's a more ambitious game in terms of its storytelling and general scope and wish it had that same focus in its game design. I really fuckin hope they get to finish the trilogy.
At this point I'm pretty sure the third game ends with
Billy Blaze aka Commander Keen making it all up in his head when he read about his great-grandfather's heroic deeds during WW2. At least I hope it will happen. Because I really want a cartoony Commander Keen FPS made by Machine Games at this point.
That said though
the head-in-a-jar thing and head-transplant has been foreshadowed before the decapitation happened. Shoshanna (Set's monkey cat), the body-in-a-tube in Set's lab and Set's diary entries before that mission all lead up to it. BJ most definitely isn't dead.
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That scene with Anya that you quote made me think the exact same thing then again that was pretty up front that could also been a red herring.
This is why I think
this is really happening. It's not like TNO wasn't dabbling in weird science already, what with giving Caroline a mecha suit and the fast-build concrete and the lightning gun on the Fergus path. TNC was already weird too and they perfectly placed Chekov's gun on the mantle with Soshanna and all the notes. I had already predicted BJ would be getting literally a new body with his head moved over, I just didn't think it would come at the end of his actual on-camera execution.
This is a more poetic ending, imo. Not as climactic, but much more fitting.
Frau Engel is just a woman, and though she has frightening power and is a complete sociopath and a hateful monster, I think it was incredibly satisfying to repay what she did to you -- you literally execute her on live TV. Like with most of the executions, it did happen a bit fast (I would have liked kicking her into a chair and putting a boot to her chest, then slowly brandishing the hatchet or something) but it was similar to the animations with BJ's dad. They try to shoot you, hack the arms off, stab them, impale their face.
Having said thus, the ending theme is so hilarious and weird I almost love it. The second half of that game is a rip-roaring adventure in catharsis so I think it almost works if it wasn't a cover.
Think I'm nearing the end. Game looks superb on Pro, plays awesome but somehow I'm not finding it very compelling. The story is a mess, the characters are full blown crazy now and the pacing feels kinda off. Really dissapointed with the locations so far.
The New Order was good, this one was amazing. I felt everything was done better and I really hope another one is in the works.
Sat through the whole credits. Last time I did that for a game was the first Mass Effect.
edit: I made the mistake of checking out Steam reviews... there's some not-so-hidden white supremacists in there, hahaha
Sat through the whole credits. Last time I did that for a game was the first Mass Effect.
edit: I made the mistake of checking out Steam reviews... there's some not-so-hidden white supremacists in there, hahaha
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I thought the first one was just alright and like this one even less. Only the characters and story saves it from being a complete was for me.
Played TNO again after beating TNC and the first one is superior IMO. The fights are much more fun but I do prefer TNC weapons. The battles seemed too unforgiving in TNC almost as if they expected all players to have a mouse and keyboard. They first game felt more tuned for console.
I bought it digital and kinda regret it. Was the easiest way to get it uncut in Germany. I'm really dissapointed by the sequel. Can't understand the high praise it gets.
What I find slightly irritating is the aim assist. When I ADS, my gun jumps to enemy's head - not to the center of his mass -, at the same time obstructing the view, which is disorientating to say the least. What is more, enemies can be pretty agile and sometimes - well, pretty often in my case - you end up with muzzle of your gun pointing at the air beside your target.
BTW, game just got patch 1.03, but there's no deadzone calibration or adjustment.
BTW, game just got patch 1.03, but there's no deadzone calibration or adjustment.
Yeah you need to turn aim assist off asap, it sucks.
btw I hope people are not serious with that
BJ being dead bs. You can't justify the second half of your game being a dream somehow, nowadays you can't get away with that. The second half is them just going in on the crazy and making it work, at least I thought they pulled it off.
Even with the button to make a waypoint show up, I got super lost for five minutes straight at least once per level. Same with New Order.
Like in Manhattan, you have to jump off a roof to go to the next section. The game never teaches you that. Other times I've tried that I hit a death void.
Anyone else?
I come away excited to play the next game also on the easiest setting. I like just sprinting and blasting through dudes in three bullets.
What's your favorite world building piece of text or overheard dialogue?
Like in Manhattan, you have to jump off a roof to go to the next section. The game never teaches you that. Other times I've tried that I hit a death void.
Anyone else?
I come away excited to play the next game also on the easiest setting. I like just sprinting and blasting through dudes in three bullets.
What's your favorite world building piece of text or overheard dialogue?
Loved the whole narrative. I was tricked into believing I had lots of playtime left due to the progression slot saying I was at 38% so was a bit bummed out initially that I wouldn't get more insane twists like
Gameplay wise I felt like the gunplay and feel of shooting was great, but AI was pretty braindead. Never opened any doors/airlock doors to chase after me and I could easily funnel and kite them using certain level geometry where I could easily see them coming but they wouldn't shoot yet. I often had giant piles of bodies at one spot and then went through the rest of the level in solitude.
So I wish that part would have been better. They were saying things like "let's flank him" but they rarily throw grenades or actually flank you.
Was playing on Do or Die so it was 4 out of 6 difficulty grades. Felt way too easy most of the time, except the final battle.
Hope
was introduced now so we can have a proper end battle in the Grosse Volkshalle in Germania in Part 3.
the televised execution, going to Venus with a mustache, HITLER audition
Gameplay wise I felt like the gunplay and feel of shooting was great, but AI was pretty braindead. Never opened any doors/airlock doors to chase after me and I could easily funnel and kite them using certain level geometry where I could easily see them coming but they wouldn't shoot yet. I often had giant piles of bodies at one spot and then went through the rest of the level in solitude.
So I wish that part would have been better. They were saying things like "let's flank him" but they rarily throw grenades or actually flank you.
Was playing on Do or Die so it was 4 out of 6 difficulty grades. Felt way too easy most of the time, except the final battle.
Hope
HITLER
Best feeling. Fuck the Commanders, meet my dual shotguns.
I actually really enjoyed the ending, and overall loved the game. Just double dipped for the X. Probably the most fun I've had with a game this year.
As I get older, these games seem to get tougher. The previous Wolfenstein gave me fits on normal, which if I recall correctly, the developer called 'You're A Baby' or something. I remember selecting the easy setting and thinking, well that's not humiliating.
Does anyone know the name of this mick gordon track that played in this gameplay vid. Its so good, I don't know the name of it and its driving me crazy.
One thing that I don't see a lot of complaints about is the lighting. This is probably one of the most heavy handed uses of "fake HDR." I really really dislike how a single light source basically blinds you. Even the daytime scene in Tulsa walking around the lighting is so crazy and blown out looking. Then they try and match the color temp in the cut scenes and everything just looks super over exposed and blown out. That's the main reason I doubt an HDR patch is coming. They've already decided to go with this really old school look.
After having some time away from the game now that I've beaten it I still think this is the best shooter since The New Order and easily one of the best of this generation. I absolutely loved the story and the gameplay and am surprised to see complaints about how hard the game was for some people. I'm far from a skilled gamer and that wasn't my take at all. Fantastic storytelling, super fun to play and who doesn't love to axe klansmen and Nazi's in the same game. The New Colossus is one of my top 3 games of 2017.
