Let's not derail this thread with more James Gunn discussion - if you want to discuss that, feel free to go here: https://www.resetera.com/threads/james-gunn-in-demand-after-disney-studio-firing.60796/
I'm thinking you're just overreacting and buying into every announcement and rumor coming from bloggers and websites. Sure there seems to be a lot in the pipeline but as of right now WB has only 4 movies that are going to be ready to shoot and release in 2019 and beyond...The Flash, Birds of Prey, the Joker solo movie (separate from the DCEU) and The Batman. Everything else is still being speculated on.
Shazam looks pretty good. Historically it's not wise to bet against James Wan. He built a successful horror movie universe from essentially nothing. Fast 7 had insane production problems. Aquaman will be fine. WW84 will more than likely be dope. Not finding a whole lot of reasons to be dour about the future.
Say what you will about Zack Snyder but he actually kicked off a cinematic universe after a series of failed stand alone films the Marvel way like Jonah Hex, and Green Lantern.
Oh and phase 1 of the DCEU grossed identical to phase 1 of the MCU
a director's daughter dying during filming and a shit tonne of other stuff too.
Feel free to look up my numbers and i double triple dare you to tell me i am wrong
You forgot the most important one which is currently shooting. The Wonder Woman sequel.
Fake news. Sad.Momoa looks so utterly flaccid as a lead, probably the most uninteresting one this side of Man of Steel Cavill and Dr. Strange Cumberbatch - except significantly less talented an actor than either.
Yeah it remains to be seen if Momoa can really step up to the plate leading a movie. I think he realizes how make or break this is for him. At least on the larger scale. He'll still be able to pick up the smaller stuff like his Netflix series.
Even in the worst case scenario Wan will still deliver a entertaining movie. Fast 7 had awful acting from pretty much everyone while remaining a fun as hell movie.
I'm mainly just expecting old school action adventure vibes. I suppose we'll see.
Imagine how much happier we would be if he didn't.
He's not wrong, though. Doctor Strange is trite sludge.
Sure, Aquaman will probably do okay numbers but the dialogue is horrible from trailers which says a lot considering they had forever to put this trailer together and that was the best they could cobble up.
Momoa looks so utterly flaccid as a lead, probably the most uninteresting one this side of Man of Steel Cavill and Dr. Strange Cumberbatch - except significantly less talented an actor than either.
Buddy, he was coming off the TDK trilogy and a frequently marketed Nolan producer credit. He was working from an already high vantage point.
The fact that the DCEU is in shambles TODAY is directly because of his efforts and inability to craft decent films hence the critical panning. What do you think caused the drastic drop from BvS to JL in opening weekend?
DCEU had the entire repertoire of characters at its disposal and still made less than Doctor Strange with its cumulative teamup movie.
How does this affect box office potential? No one was going to turn up to a Snyder joint again regardless.
You're wrong in that bragging about the DCEU's 'accomplishments' is like bragging that a trust fund kid ended up working at some mid-sized firm for the rest of his life earning $50k.
Lies! Slander!Momoa looks so utterly flaccid as a lead, probably the most uninteresting one this side of Man of Steel Cavill and Dr. Strange Cumberbatch - except significantly less talented an actor than either.
Their vision for their movies is a weak imitation of what Marvel is doing with some surface level aesthetic differences.
It's like that season of television we got around ten years ago when everyone was trying to make 1960s period pieces because Mad Men was so successful.
I asked the same thing in the DCTV thread back when the trailer released.Seriously, who was "Fuck Batman" for?
Who is the asshole kid who really loves Robin and would absolutely lose his shit that Robin would finally tell Batman off as he stomps a guy's neck to death?
Who is this imaginary person that this show was made for?
Snyder and incompetent WB management are largely at fault for the state of the DC movies. Putting your faith in a director whose best film peaks at okay was never a sound choice. It was as uninspiring a pick as they could have made after giving Nolan the keys to Batman for a decade.
Nevertheless, the films seem to be heading in the right direction and there should be some optimism in a post-Snyder world. Both Wan and Jenkins should be backed in to deliver fun movies and Shazam looked incredibly enjoyable based on the trailer.
What the universe needs, more than anything, is a coherent blue print and plan. There appears to be a lot of announcements but no coherent plan. Batman is up in the air but they are producing a range of films set in Gotham. Superman is in flux but we are introducing Supergirl. The whole thing seems unnecessarily complex. They should instead identify their core characters, deliver solid films based on those characters and then look to introduce minor characters.
What they did in ww was the exact same thing marvel did in the early mcu movies.This seems relevant to this thread: Supposedly no cameos or connections to the other movies will feature in Aquaman.
"I wanted to keep the story to the world of Aquaman and not have to worry about what other characters are doing in their films and how that would affect us. I just thought the simplest way was to keep it clean — keep it simple and let it be an Aquaman story." Wan said in his interview with Entertainment Weekly. "I told them I understand and respect that it's part of a bigger universe but at the end of the day I have to tell the story I want to tell, and I want to develop the character as well."
Wonder if WW84 alos will take this approach. To just ignore the JL franchise and do its own thing.
MOS was a slightly rushed production and he had to knock it out because WB were worried about losing the rights. Superman Returns was coming off the critical highs of Batman Begins, had a way higher RT score, made like $250 million dollars less and was forgotten about as soon as it came. No one was building shit of SR.
People didn't like the movies for a variety of reasons. A lot of the reasons can be summed up as it's only a crime when Zack Snyder does it as well as cutting a movie down by 30 mins that needed every minute for its story.
Congrats to Marvel for that. Ironically the fact it was filled with no bodies was a great strength to Marvel since they could make huge changes and no one will bitch about shit like where is Donald Blake. You forget the DCEU worked with nobodies and whilst critically shat on, Suicide Squad made bank without China. Captain America was used as a metaphor for a super soldier and patriotism in the same way Wonder Woman was before the film. Wonder Woman made over double Captain America.
Have i ever said JL didn't heavily underperform. Yes despite making less than half of Avengers the average DCEU movie made more than the average MCU film/
At the end of the day name another cinematic universe that is around other than the MCU. Dark Universe? At the end of the day, despite how much critically maligned the DCEU films are, they still made a lot of money and story wise there is nothing irredeemable. JL is their floor, their ceiling could be anywhere.
Edit: Oh and i forgot to mention it's Zack Snyder's Academy Award Winning DCEU. DC didn't have to create their own category to be in the running for an Oscar.
I have faith because I love their vision of a dark and gritty cinematic superhero universe :)
Suicide Squad is one of my favorite films of all time and BvS is an absolute joy to watch