Why women criticise sexualised character designs (READ OP)

HyperFerret said:

Raiden's situation is meant to make him feel vulnerable more than anything but I can see the sex appeal angle as well to a certain extent. Not to dismiss that a naked man can't be fanservice, but I believe Kojima wanted it to be more comedic and ridiculous, similar to Johnny in MGS1.

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Considering you can see Boss's and Kaz's...bulges....in the beach "episode", I consder alot of the examples of naked dudes with each other in MGS is for homoerotic in nature, which is ultimately fanservice to a crowd.

Volgin torturing Naked Snake (who pisses his pants in fear), while clearly horrible, has alot of sexual undertones (consdering Volgin is noted to be bisexual)

There's also Ocelot torturing Snake in MGS1, which taken with the later revelations of Ocelot being gay/in love with Big Boss, makes it seem like a really twisted fantasy to him. Again sexual.

There's alot of creepy fanservice in MGS no doubt, but it dosen't just happen to the woman. It's with the guys too, alot of the time.

Edit: I should not have posted this.

Nickle said:

I understand not wanting to tell others to avoid harassment, but some places take surveys of the users and I don't think women would have any reason to hide their gender for those.

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I don't have a definite answer but I do know there's a lot of women talking about video games on twitter and tumblr.

Nickle said:

I understand not wanting to tell others to avoid harassment, but some places take surveys of the users and I don't think women would have any reason to hide their gender for those.

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If you list your gender or allude to it on many other sites, you will often receive unwanted attention or creepy PMs from male users. At least that's what many folks have cited in the past.

Edit: Could have sworn I quoted your first post. Anyways, I don't have a good answer for the second post.

CenturionNami said:

There's also Raiden doing naked cart wheels against enemey soldiers in MGS2 (unless being naked on the battlefield for woman is somehow worse then a guy doing it), and him being tied up and interrogated whilst naked isn't supposed to be for sex appeal?

And bull on that. Venom Snake is Phantom Pain is a living sex appeal object. There's a reason why "everyone's gay for Big Boss exists."

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Holy shit. I swear I remember seeing this exact same post in the old forum being used as evidence that men are objectified as well.

Come the fuck on.

Raiden's nudity is used almost entirely for comedic effect if I'm not mistaken.

I'm also pretty sure that Venom Snake is rarely, if ever, framed in the same ways that most female characters. I didn't finish the game but what I do remember is being in that helicopter and being forced to watch Quiet's ass as she did yoga poses. And I know that I can pick another buddy, but why do I have to see that for wanting to choose the cool sniper as my buddy.

LunarEmerald said:

With that analogy I would accept that industry has moved away from brought me to it and find something else. I rather use the energy to find something I like than try to change something. Here's another analogy. You're a fan of a gaming magazine. There's one console you like but over time the magazine starts neglecting it; favoring the other consoles over it. Do you send an angry letter and tell them to change it or do you find a new magazine that does cater to your taste?

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that Would imply that there is an outlet and yes I Would try and change it

imagine its the same for every magazine what do you do then?
then imagine its the same for everything around you

HammerFace said:

Holy shit. I swear I remember seeing this exact same post in the old forum being used as evidence that men are objectified as well.

Come the fuck on.

Raiden's nudity is used almost entirely for comedic effect if I'm not mistaken.

I'm also pretty sure that Venom Snake is rarely, if ever, framed in the same ways that most female characters. I didn't finish the game but what I do remember is being in that helicopter and being forced to watch Quiet's ass as she did yoga poses. And I know that I can pick another buddy, but why do I have to see that for wanting to choose the cool sniper as my buddy.

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Tell me with a straight face this dosen't sound like a yaoi slash fic? Big Boss is hugely sexaulised in whatever game he's in. (Except maybe MGS4)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qscKqM8YS9Y

Going to try another approach.

The Artisan said:

I don't understand everything about feminism and sexism, but I'm right there with OP. I hate seeing female video game characters designed with impractical slutty outfits and that's one of the reasons I really liked Aloy's design, even though some of her alt outfits are definitely still falling under the eye candy shit even if it's low key.

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Thank you for coming into this thread with an open mind. It's great that even though you feel you're not super well-versed in these issues that affect so many people, you're willing to empathize with the OP's concerns around this evolving medium we all love and are shaped by. Those of us who don't ever have to think about these issues can help by simply listening to those that are forced to deal with it constantly and acknowledge that "yes, I understand where you're coming from." This is an important first step, and your reply represents one of the many positive things that came out of this discussion, and I would just like to acknowledge it.

LunarEmerald said:

I do think it's quite ridiculous that mods can say "don't use this argument. we don't like it" Since when do mods get to add rules at their leisure for their convenience?
But I'll drop the point since it's frowned upon.

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1) Since they are mods. It's literally in the job description to tell people what the can or can't do.
2) The rules have been there from the start, you just haven't given enough of a shit to care.
3) If you're discontent with the moderation in this forum, you could always take your own advice: "use that energy to find something you like more". :)

LunarEmerald said:

With that analogy I would accept that industry has moved away from brought me to it and find something else. I rather use the energy to find something I like than try to change something.

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Such an inspiring attitude. Thankfully not everyone is like you or we'd be still living in caverns.

Also you're like the fourth person to use that argument since I posted this five pages back:

Weltall Zero said:

2.f) "But not all games have to cater to all demographics" said a man completely bypassing the OP that makes the point that like 80% of games sexualize women, leaving women with one fifth of the games if they were to avoid sexualization.

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psychowave said:

I don't have a definite answer but I do know there's a lot of women talking about video games on twitter and tumblr.

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That makes sense, I do use sites like Twitch or Reddit a lot more then Twitter or Tumblr.

cosmicblizzard said:

Oh trust me, I'm more than aware. I'm a single 30 year old male that has since moved back in with his parents. The expectations were too much, and it cost me most of my friends, any respect people had for me, and pretty much all my aspirations. I've since become a depressed hermit that, while not on the verge of suicide, has contemplated it before. I'm seeing someone for it, but my current mindset is just wanting to remain in my comfort zone free of any expectations or greater desires beyond the media I consume, and I don't really see that mindset changing. So yeah, "loser/manchild" is pretty apt. I often wonder just how different my life would be if I was born a girl and if I'd be content.

Edit: Well I certainly look like a terrible person agreeing with a troll I guess :(

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Just remember that a lot of modern "life goals" are precisely that: modern. Modern and Anglo-American. The idea of everyone owning their own home is a fairly recent mindset that dates back to the post-war 1950s, iirc, and plenty of countries in the world wouldn't expect someone to leave home until they marry (if ever). And even then, there are places where it isn't unusual to see three or more generations living together.

Basically, societal expectations are transitory and you should never use them as a gauge for your self worth. I'm not sure if that will make you feel any better, but, eh, I can try!

(and apologies to everyone else for thread-derailing)

CenturionNami said:

Tell me with a straight face this dosen't sound like a yaoi slash fic? Big Boss is hugely sexaulised in whatever game he's in. (Except maybe MGS4)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qscKqM8YS9Y

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So what? Maybe 1% of people who played Peace walker will have unlocked the comedy Snake x Kaz stuff while Quiet is front and centre of mgsv. Really disingenuous to equate the two.

cosmicblizzard said:

Oh trust me, I'm more than aware. I'm a single 30 year old male that has since moved back in with his parents. The expectations were too much, and it cost me most of my friends, any respect people had for me, and pretty much all my aspirations. I've since become a depressed hermit that, while not on the verge of suicide, has contemplated it before. I'm seeing someone for it, but my current mindset is just wanting to remain in my comfort zone free of any expectations or greater desires beyond the media I consume, and I don't really see that mindset changing. So yeah, "loser/manchild" is pretty apt. I often wonder just how different my life would be if I was born a girl and if I'd be content.

Edit: Well I certainly look like a terrible person agreeing with a troll I guess :(

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You wouldnt be

Just wanted to drop in and say that the Mod Edit in the OP is fantastic.

It's interesting that this thread has been so volatile the last few days, it's almost like the drama that unfolded in the XC2 thread has spilt over into here.

Given how much every single one of those 'arguments' the Mod Edit mentions is being used ad nauseam in the XC2 threads, it strikes me that there are a LOT of Era members who aren't on the same page when it comes to some fairly central Reset Era principles.

Male sexualization is often used in Japanese humor. It shows up in games like MGS as a joke. Raiden doing naked cartwheels and running around covering his crotch is supposed to be funny. The very image of two men in tiny swimsuits is supposed to be funny.

Dary said:

Just remember that a lot of modern "life goals" are precisely that: modern. Modern and Anglo-American.

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Yeah, that too. Economy also matters, of course; In Spain, since the crisis, unemployed 30 year old dudes living with their parents is the norm. Hell, many of my friends are like that, and nearly all of them are over 40, like me.

Dmax3901 said:

Just wanted to drop in and say that the Mod Edit in the OP is fantastic.

It's interesting that this thread has been so volatile the last few days, it's almost like the drama that unfolded in the XC2 thread has spilt over into here.

Given how much every single one of those 'arguments' the Mod Edit mentions is being used ad nauseam in the XC2 threads, it strikes me that there are a LOT of Era members who aren't on the same page as some fairly key Reset Era principles.

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Ok, now I get why there has been a sudden influx of trolls lately, 4chan, VOAT, and certain sections of reddit found this thread and are angry. In addition to the pathetic insults to the OP (not repeated here for sanctity of ears), some are boasting, anonymously of course, of "catching" the "femi-nazis" as being clueless. This is in addition to some users on this site, unfortunately, like you said. They are using this thread of "proof" that "women want to take there games" (I was wondering why that phrase was popping up in the last couple of days). It's awful disgusting, and by posting this, they're probably gonna gloat some more.

It's sickening, disgusting, and I'm just fucking tired at this point.

Nickle said:

That makes sense, I do use sites like Twitch or Reddit a lot more then Twitter or Tumblr.

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I feel like women get a lot more involved in the fandom aspect of things (creating and consuming fic and art), which could explain why most of us talk about video games on tumblr and twitter as opposed to places like reddit, where the focus isn't really on the fandom side?

Pretty toxic environment. Not a good basis for discussion.

My thoughts about this: Sexism exists. In Sports, TV, Politics (sequence is random), you name it. Nobody sane can argue that.

Concerning videogames: nobody asked the male gaming community (don't have to call us dudes every time), how we would like to have women represented in games. The industrie decides. And no, thats not us. Cause forgive god we actually like our women funny, smart and properly dressed. Well thats a nono. Cause men are being sterotyped too in that regard.

I'm a grown man and i don't need cleavage to sell me a game. Does it stop me from playing a good game if it occours? No. Does that make me a sexist? No. At least not in my, naturally subjetive, eyes.

I think discussing it in a threat won't solve the issue. Theres just too many things that one can get wrong or feel insulted when no insult was intended.

Is there a way to participate in a petition or a poll with the goal of having all sexes, especially women, represented in a proper way in video games?

Dmax3901 said:

Just wanted to drop in and say that the Mod Edit in the OP is fantastic.

It's interesting that this thread has been so volatile the last few days, it's almost like the drama that unfolded in the XC2 thread has spilt over into here.

Given how much every single one of those 'arguments' the Mod Edit mentions is being used ad nauseam in the XC2 threads, it strikes me that there are a LOT of Era members who aren't on the same page when it comes to some fairly central Reset Era principles.

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Which XC2 thread has these arguments?

Whoa, I go play Horizon for a few hours and this thread blew up huh. xD

Redcrayon said:

Good to hear that we're now readily accepting that gods exist faster than female gamers.

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cosmicblizzard said:

It seems we have fundamentally different views on what constitutes "sexualization". I had never considered sexual acts (depicted or implied) to actually be vital for it, with the absence of any such acts being what I consider "tease sexualization". On the male side, pre-DmC Dante would be an example and maybe the FFXV crew (correct me if I'm wrong since I haven't actually played FFXV yet). On the female side... well I probably don't have to give examples in a thread like this, heh.

I also consider it a neutral term with "good" and "bad" being determined through other traits connected to it, like how well the context fits or stuff like that. I would say examples of good sexualized female characters would be someone like Kaine with bad ones being someone like Quiet (or I assume so as I've never actually played MGSV) and at least with the former, there are no depictions or implications of sexual acts.

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Oh, a post about sexualization amidst a sea of "but does sexism really exist??", how refreshing. :D

You are right that actual sexual acts are not necessary for sexualization. But you asked for how you'd have a sexualized female power fantasy, and I'm giving a potential example of that. A good (as in, not sexist) example of a sexualized character could also be Moxxi in Borderlands (I talked about her before), but she's not really a "power fantasy", just a funny NPC. Maybe if she were playable, I dunno.

LunarEmerald said:

I do think it's quite ridiculous that mods can say "don't use this argument. we don't like it" Since when do mods get to add rules at their leisure for their convenience?
But I'll drop the point since it's frowned upon.

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I know you're banned but for anyone wondering: I've written this list of pseudo-arguments to avoid because they are rude, dismissive, and/or have been addressed multiple times in the thread, not because "we don't like it". So yeah.

CenturionNami said:

Volgin torturing Naked Snake (who pisses his pants in fear), while clearly horrible, has alot of sexual undertones (consdering Volgin is noted to be bisexual)

There's also Ocelot torturing Snake in MGS1, which taken with the later revelations of Ocelot being gay/in love with Big Boss, makes it seem like a really twisted fantasy to him. Again sexual.

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Since you brought it up, I think that there is value in comparing the way men and women are tortured in games. Here are three clips of people being tortured with electricity in the Metal Gear series.






Even though this thread is focused on sexualized designs, the way female characters are framed is also a major issue.

cosmicblizzard said:

Edit: Well I certainly look like a terrible person agreeing with a troll I guess :(

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You have nothing to feel bad about! They're the one that was trolling, not you.

Dmax3901 said:

Just wanted to drop in and say that the Mod Edit in the OP is fantastic.

It's interesting that this thread has been so volatile the last few days, it's almost like the drama that unfolded in the XC2 thread has spilt over into here.

Given how much every single one of those 'arguments' the Mod Edit mentions is being used ad nauseam in the XC2 threads, it strikes me that there are a LOT of Era members who aren't on the same page when it comes to some fairly central Reset Era principles.

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The toxicity seems to suggest that people were hoping Resetera would have a different... culture than that other forum did. Or troll accounts are hoping to push the culture towards their own ends. If anything, discussions like these will help weed out the problem children.

Objectifying a character like that while depicting torture is disturbing.

cosmicblizzard said:

Edit: Well I certainly look like a terrible person agreeing with a troll I guess :(

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Nah, don't worry about it buddy.

It was the likely the goal of the troll to get people to side with them and cause strife.

Encephalon said:

Objectifying a character like that while depicting torture is disturbing.

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Yea, that is actually really messed up. Honestly, didn't remember that scene at all.

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they cannot be serious with this

Dmax3901 said:

Just wanted to drop in and say that the Mod Edit in the OP is fantastic.

It's interesting that this thread has been so volatile the last few days, it's almost like the drama that unfolded in the XC2 thread has spilt over into here.

Given how much every single one of those 'arguments' the Mod Edit mentions is being used ad nauseam in the XC2 threads, it strikes me that there are a LOT of Era members who aren't on the same page when it comes to some fairly central Reset Era principles.

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it's really interesting to check some of the posters here with their posts in the XC2 threads

saintpride said:

The toxicity seems to suggest that people were hoping Resetera would have a different... culture than that other forum did. Or troll accounts are hoping to push the culture towards their own ends. If anything, discussions like these will help weed out the problem children.

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Given that many of the recent trolls were in fact VOAT accounts arguing in bad faith (who, immediately after being banned, starting calling the mods insultingly poor names and screaming how gaming belonged to men and only men), it seems trolls are a more accurate statement.

Xaszatm said:

Ok, now I get why there has been a sudden influx of trolls lately, 4chan, VOAT, and certain sections of reddit found this thread and are angry. In addition to the pathetic insults to the OP (not repeated here for sanctity of ears), some are boasting, anonymously of course, of "catching" the "femi-nazis" as being clueless. This is in addition to some users on this site, unfortunately, like you said. They are using this thread of "proof" that "women want to take there games" (I was wondering why that phrase was popping up in the last couple of days). It's awful disgusting, and by posting this, they're probably gonna gloat some more.

It's sickening, disgusting, and I'm just fucking tired at this point.

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Don't be. This is just proof that, as I expected, they're butthurt and salty as fuck that ResetEra is going monumentally strong. They rejoiced when they saw the most progressive gaming community to go down in flames, only to witness its rebirth as a much stronger, robust and healthy community in a mere two weeks. It must have been the worst of nightmares for them.

Taste their delicious, delicious tears, I know I am. If watching this thread like stalkers and getting a couple trolls to their lemming doom is the best they can do to soothe their sore assholes, frankly... I almost feel pity for them.

Morrigan said:

Oh, a post about sexualization amidst a sea of "but does sexism really exist??", how refreshing. :D

You are right that actual sexual acts are not necessary for sexualization. But you asked for how you'd have a sexualized female power fantasy, and I'm giving a potential example of that. A good (as in, not sexist) example of a sexualized character could also be Moxxi in Borderlands (I talked about her before), but she's not really a "power fantasy", just a funny NPC. Maybe if she were playable, I dunno.

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Oh okay, that was just one example and not the only possible type of example. Thank you for clarifying.

Dary said:

Just remember that a lot of modern "life goals" are precisely that: modern. Modern and Anglo-American. The idea of everyone owning their own home is a fairly recent mindset that dates back to the post-war 1950s, iirc, and plenty of countries in the world wouldn't expect someone to leave home until they marry (if ever). And even then, there are places where it isn't unusual to see three or more generations living together.

Basically, societal expectations are transitory and you should never use them as a gauge for your self worth. I'm not sure if that will make you feel any better, but, eh, I can try!

(and apologies to everyone else for thread-derailing)

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Oh, I'm aware. It's just tough to go against ingrained values like that when you're an extremely self-conscious person in general. But thanks for your concern :D

I also apologize to everyone else for derailing with a post about myself rather than what the thread is about. I should probably bow out in general and learn from the discussions from afar.

Velezcora said:

I'm actually being dead serious here. I haven't seen any instance of women being at an systematic disadvantage in todays modern society. Yes there are social issues that we still need to conquer but I don't see nor have I ever benefited from a patriarchal structure in todays modern world. I grew up poor from a single parent family. I've had a lot of shit to deal with and nobody ever gave me a free pass for being a man. I've been talked down to by both men and women. People are assholes and when they can present themselves as being smarter than others they do it.

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I personally haven't experienced erectile dysfunction so I guess that isn't really a thing either.

I have to ask the thread, how do you feel about characters that are well done, but not necessarily good/positive representation?

One example outside of games I always like to use is Ursula from The Little Mermaid.


Ursula is vain, conniving, deceitful, and overall a very despicable person, not necessarily positive representation for overweight women or drag queens(which inspired her character).

However Ursula is an awesome villain. Her design is striking and memorable, with her creepy squid lower body/dress and eel scarfs giving her a diva look. Her personality is also delightfully theatrical, making her a character that is a joy to see on screen.

To bring this over to games Eliza(Skullgirls) has a really striking design and gimmick (using her blood to attack and make constructs)

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But Eliza is super sexualized and is a terrible person all around, not necessarily positive, but still a really well done character in regards to design and personality.

Xaszatm said:

Ok, now I get why there has been a sudden influx of trolls lately, 4chan, VOAT, and certain sections of reddit found this thread and are angry. In addition to the pathetic insults to the OP (not repeated here for sanctity of ears), some are boasting, anonymously of course, of "catching" the "femi-nazis" as being clueless. This is in addition to some users on this site, unfortunately, like you said. They are using this thread of "proof" that "women want to take there games" (I was wondering why that phrase was popping up in the last couple of days). It's awful disgusting, and by posting this, they're probably gonna gloat some more.

It's sickening, disgusting, and I'm just fucking tired at this point.

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I mean, it's been well known the dregs of the internet have been hiding here and ready to pounce with their shitty opinions since the site opened. But yeah, it's absolutely tiring.

Weltall Zero said:

And that's even though a lot of women hide their genders online for a variety of mostly self-evident reasons.

I remember some... individual on GAF saying that he considered women gamer to be a myth because when he went to shops or conventions he never saw any women gamers socializing with him or the other dudes. I was left wondering how he didn't immediately collapse from the combined weight of irony and self-unawareness.

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Funny thing, the only username that I've made that sounds feminine still had people regard me as a dude. Whateves lol
Schrödinger has worked pretty well for me since I started multiplayer games.

QueenVulpix said:

I personally haven't experienced erectile dysfunction so I guess that isn't really a thing either.

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*dead*
Velezcora is quite obviously one of the troll accounts referred to above, considering he hadn't posted once until Thursday, and like 80%-90% of all his posts are in this thread. I would suggest everyone to put him on ignore.

SchrodingerC said:

Funny thing, the only username that I've made that sounds feminine still had people regard me as a dude. Whateves lol

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My SO is regularly regarded as a dude online too, especially when she helps other people. She never corrects their mistake, of course.

SchrodingerC said:

Schrödinger has worked pretty well for me since I started multiplayer games.

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*cat avatar highpawfive* Just don't poison that cat, OK? Not even quantically.

Xaszatm said:

Ok, now I get why there has been a sudden influx of trolls lately, 4chan, VOAT, and certain sections of reddit found this thread and are angry. In addition to the pathetic insults to the OP (not repeated here for sanctity of ears), some are boasting, anonymously of course, of "catching" the "femi-nazis" as being clueless. This is in addition to some users on this site, unfortunately, like you said. They are using this thread of "proof" that "women want to take there games" (I was wondering why that phrase was popping up in the last couple of days). It's awful disgusting, and by posting this, they're probably gonna gloat some more.

It's sickening, disgusting, and I'm just fucking tired at this point.

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I mean, it was amusing to watch them get incredibly outraged at the mansplaining warning.

But yea, it's depressing that such a non-controversial OP would rile up so many people. No one here is really saying anything outrageous, yet other people are inserting censorship or man-hating into it on their own.

Xaszatm said:

Ok, now I get why there has been a sudden influx of trolls lately, 4chan, VOAT, and certain sections of reddit found this thread and are angry. In addition to the pathetic insults to the OP (not repeated here for sanctity of ears), some are boasting, anonymously of course, of "catching" the "femi-nazis" as being clueless. This is in addition to some users on this site, unfortunately, like you said. They are using this thread of "proof" that "women want to take there games" (I was wondering why that phrase was popping up in the last couple of days). It's awful disgusting, and by posting this, they're probably gonna gloat some more.

It's sickening, disgusting, and I'm just fucking tired at this point.

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I am so very shocked and surprised by this development. Never saw it coming. :D

Edit: so I hear they're focused on me, when I actually hardly banned anyone in this thread (just added a couple warnings). The mods who have been more active in the past few hours to deal with those trolls are male.

Saucycarpdog said:

It is most certainly a thing. In fact, gaming has the clearest examples of it.

For example, in league of legends. There exists a stereotype in the game that the champion Sona is mostly played by women. This is because she's viewed as a noob friendly healer and doesn't require critical thinking for a champion.

One day me and my online friends were playing together and came across a women playing Sona in our match. She did a good job and so we added her. Next match she chose to be the jungler and one of my guys was like "you know how to jungle right? You know which routes to take? I can ping it for you."

You're seeing something similar in Overwatch. People assume women only play Mercy cause she's easy to play and then feel the need to put on their tutoring cap when they find a woman who plays something different.

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Just wanted to say this is wonderfully portrayed in the recent anime, Recovery of an MMO Junkie about a somewhat forlorn, depressed woman in her 30s (quite rare for a protagonist) who quits her job and gets into an MMORPG. It's only a few episodes in, I really don't know if it'll ever get into other aspects of gaming culture for women, but it's been great so far. Anyway, sorry if that's off topic.

Btw did anyone have that silly comic regarding sexual characters in games? Or as shimmering about a character and her magic bikini or something. I think it was meant to poke fun at characters like Quiet who a lot of now banned/warned users seem to cite as an example of being perfectly fine because it's explained. I wanted to post it as a reply but I can't find it now.

Edit: sorry, this post was redundant.

Sooo... by the sudden stop in troll posts, I assume they decided to quit when the jig was up?

HypedBeast said:

I have to ask the thread, how do you feel about characters that are well done, but not necessarily good/positive representation?

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I don't think its rare for people to acknowledge that a cool character probably shouldn't be wearing bikini armor on the battlefield, or whatever else

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Sooo... by the sudden stop in troll posts, I assume they decided to quit when the jig was up?

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Misogynist trolls are easily startled, but they'll soon be back...

HypedBeast said:

I have to ask the thread, how do you feel about characters that are well done, but not necessarily good/positive representation?

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Not sure what you mean. Well-written, well-designed characters who happen to be evil/bad? Or cool and interesting characters who have problematic/stereotypical elements in terms of representation?

For the former, it's totally fine of course. I want more female villains and anti-heroes myself (so long as they aren't stereotypes, at least preferably). As for the latter, I enjoy a few such characters, but it doesn't mean they couldn't be improved upon.

LunarEmerald said:

Do you reread the OP multiple times when posting in a thread?

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In case anyone actually cares about my personal answer. Why, yes. Yes I do.
In fact, in many cases, I'm editing the OP. But like. It's so much easier to AVOID NaNo. Grumbles.

HypedBeast Ursula is awesome. That skullgirls character, I haven't played her campaign, but she looks idiotic and I'm not enough in love with the Skullgirls gameplay to play ALL the campaigns. She will not likely make my list of ones to play.

Morrigan said:

I am so very shocked and surprised by this development. Never saw it coming. :D

Edit: so I hear they're focused on me, when I actually hardly banned anyone in this thread (just added a couple warnings). The mods who have been more active in the past few hours to deal with those trolls are male.

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hmm I wonder why

weemadarthur said:

In case anyone actually cares about my personal answer. Why, yes. Yes I do.
In fact, in many cases, I'm editing the OP. But like. It's so much easier to AVOID NaNo. Grumbles.

HypedBeast Ursula is awesome. That skullgirls character, I haven't played her campaign, but she looks idiotic and I'm not enough in love with the Skullgirls gameplay to play ALL the campaigns. She will not likely make my list of ones to play.

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Oh, damn, you just made me remember that I still need to do another 2k words tonight. Welp, now to go crying into my keyboard.

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Not sure what you mean. Well-written, well-designed characters who happen to be evil/bad? Or cool and interesting characters who have problematic/stereotypical elements in terms of representation?

For the former, it's totally fine of course. I want more female villains and anti-heroes myself (so long as they aren't stereotypes, at least preferably). As for the latter, I enjoy a few such characters, but it doesn't mean they couldn't be improved upon.

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I meant the latter.
Some designs/characters could be considered problematic, but are so good that they become well liked regardless.

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Oh, damn, you just made me remember that I still need to do another 2k words tonight. Welp, now to go crying into my keyboard.

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Dammit, I can't get away from muh writers anywhere!

Go type...you got this.

Back on topic.

Um....dude. CenturionNami It's one thing to feel like there are some sexualized male characters. But I am rather disturbed that all your posts are about torture. What's up with that?