Why women criticise sexualised character designs (READ OP)

Derpot · Nov 19, 2017

Weltall Zero said:
As a male, this is incredible, exceedingly frustrating. I think of my female friends, of my significant other, of all their struggles and all the times they've had to deal with dismissive or creepy dudes, of how they're regularly paid much less than males, and it makes me so furious to see someone say that didn't really happen.

I can't even begin to fathom how it must feel for women themselves. I may be repeating myself but I quite literally cannot conceive how deep your pool of patience must be. I just wanted to express my full support, for what it might serve.

Heh. To be honest sometimes I wish I was a man, life would be so easier.
When I was a teenager, I got catcalled and harassed by some men in the streets several times. And no, I wasn't wearing provocative clothes (because how many times people ask that stupid question, it shouldn't even matter), and I was minding my goddamn business. I felt uneasy and scared when this shit happened. I don't think it would have happened to me if I was a dude.
I'm not saying that men don't have any issues themselves because of their sex, of course, some men are also victims of toxic masculinity and of what society expects from them. It's just, yeah, it's more prevalent for women.

Jiro · Nov 19, 2017

xlestattx said:
Is this a joke post? I mean I know I mentioned the sexualization of men in games and movies exists, but to act like it is even remotely on par with the level that women are viewed as sex objects is absolute lunacy.

This has to be a joke post.

Why would it be?

Half naked muscle men are sex objects in its purest form. Of course you might don't think this yourself if you are a straight guy, but it is different for women or gay men who normally get turned on by it.
This is just as sexist as women in bikinis are for straight men, do you understand?

LinLeigh · Nov 19, 2017

Jiro said:
Games are full of half naked men with pounding muscles and textured nipples. Maybe in one out of hundred games there is a woman who is modeled in a sexist exploited way - and only then it becomes a "big deal". The hypocrisy knows no boundaries.

If there is someone who should be angry, it is the men. Men are some of the most exploited creatures on this planet. The sexism against men is ten times worse than the one against women. Just watch any Hollywood movie and count the half naked men compared to half naked women, I swear you will be surprised by the ratio. Muscles everywhere, men are shown as sex objects much more often than women.

And remember that all these products where men are being exploited, the producers are mostly men.

How is it when the producers are women? Just look at the Japanese ikemen-gay games where almost all the staff are women. They draw some of the most sexist shit on this planet and make all men look like sex slaves to women.

I do not like this debate.

How many female roles vs males? How much male dialogue vs female dialogue?

Let me guess that is totally fine?

Weltall Zero · Nov 19, 2017

LinLeigh said:
Oh I didn't forget her but I really didn't want a discussion how she is all about not being judged on her appearance and that I'm shaming a character that is all about being yourself.

And I really couldn't be bothered. But of course you are right she should have been included.

That's an excellent point. It's sad how one has to ironclad one's argument even if it means making it less infomative, because you just know trolls aren't going to argue in good faith or care to actually learn a thing, they're just looking for the (imagined) chink in the armor to dismantle it.

Pirate Bae · Nov 19, 2017

Windrunner · Nov 19, 2017

Jiro said:
If there is someone who should be angry, it is the men. Men are some of the most exploited creatures on this planet. The sexism against men is ten times worse than the one against women.

For anyone who missed it.

Ferrs · Nov 19, 2017

Jiro said:
Why would it be?

Half naked muscle men are sex objects in its purest form. Of course you might don't think this yourself if you are a straight guy, but it is different for women or gay men who normally get turned on by it.
This is just as sexist as women in bikinis are for straight men, do you understand?

Of course you know what women get turned on as a man. Come the fuck on.

Jiro said:
How is it when the producers are women? Just look at the Japanese ikemen-gay games where almost all the staff are women. They draw some of the most sexist shit on this planet and make all men look like sex slaves to women.

I do not like this debate.

How can you equate sexism against men and Japan. It's just...And Hollywood? do you even follow the news?

you're so detached from the reality that you may as well come from the Andromeda galaxy.

Htown · Nov 19, 2017

Jiro said:
I do not like this debate.

the only thing you've said that I actually believe

Redcrayon · Nov 19, 2017

Jiro said:
Games are full of half naked men with pounding muscles and textured nipples. Maybe in one out of hundred games there is a woman who is modeled in a sexist exploited way - and only then it becomes a "big deal". The hypocrisy knows no boundaries.

I don't see the hypocrisy. Feel free to start a thread about how you feel men are exploited in games. Interesting that such an argument usually only ever occurs as whataboutery in threads about female depiction.

If there is someone who should be angry, it is the men. Men are some of the most exploited creatures on this planet. The sexism against men is ten times worse than the one against women. Just watch any Hollywood movie

Ookay. Let's stop there. Hollywood. Sexism. Do you read the news at all?

I do not like this debate.

One of the TOS of Resetera is that you don't have to take part in every discussion.

Derpot · Nov 19, 2017

Windrunner said:
For anyone who missed it.

Then where are these angry men who must denounce this exploitation.

(I mean, some denounce the negative effects of toxic masculinity but...)

petran79 · Nov 19, 2017

xlestattx said:
Yeah that really would be a nice change. I have found myself drifting away from AAA games in general, especially shooters and JRPGs, because of the blatant pandering. I dont like calling it fan service, because which fans is it servicing? Obviously not the women, gay men, or straight men that arent sexually repressed juveniles. It's really pathetic sometimes.

Piratebae mentioned something that I wanted to address in her explaination of instances of sexism - men wanting to carry the tool box (not letting her specifically). This touches on part of this discussion that is very difficult for men. Growing up, many of us were taught to respect women, but also to be chivalrous (open the door for her, offer to carry a heavy object, etc). In today's culture though, even the mere offerance of assistance is seen as sexism. So my question is when does it become sexism? Is my merely OFFERING to carry the tools or open a door sexism? Or does it only become sexism if the woman declines assistance and I insist on her taking it? I ask because as I said I was raised to be chivalrous and helpful to women, but have had offerances of help result in both good and bad reactions. Interestingly enough, I work as a male nurse and whenever something calls for someone strong , the female nurses always ask me for help even if there are other female nurses working that are LITERALLY 2x as strong as me.

Depends on the situation and it is always good to ask before acting. Not all have the same health. Though I experienced the opposite. Me and a female colleague who had problems with her back pushed a car for the engine to start.
Male driver didnt even consider letting her drive while he pushes the car. She helped of course because she is an honest and helpful person, though when he left she was left with a very bad impression

Windrunner · Nov 19, 2017

Derpot said:
Then where are these angry men who must denounce this exploitation.

(I mean, some denounce the negative effects of toxic masculinity but...)

Well we know the answer to that: they don't actually care, it's just a way to derail, troll and antagonise. Straight from the white/all lives matter playbook.

Opa-Pa · Nov 19, 2017

I wonder how that thread has prog- Oh wow. I see.

Senjy89 · Nov 19, 2017

Windrunner said:
For anyone who missed it.

The sheer stupidity in that quote is mind-blowing.

Pickle · Nov 19, 2017

Whelp, there goes the neighborhood. I almost feel compelled to applaud the guy for coming up with the worst response to this thread possible, way to derail for nothing.

Redcrayon · Nov 19, 2017

petran79 said:
Depends on the situation and it is always good to ask before acting. Not all have the same health. Though I experienced the opposite. Me and a female colleague who had problems with her back pushed a car for the engine to start.
Male driver didnt even consider letting her drive while he pushes the car. She helped of course because she is an honest and helpful person, though when he left she was left with a very bad impression

For me I generally go with the idea that I'll hold doors for anyone because it's polite, and especially if they are encumbered, look like they are struggling, have young children etc. As long as you aren't assuming a woman can't hold a door or carry a box because she's a woman, don't have a complex about accepting help yourself, and also don't ignore the fact that not all disabilities or sickness or pregnancy etc are immediately visble, it's usually fine.

I had an interesting chat with an elderly lady I was sitting next to on the train last year where another chap suggested I stand up from my aisle seat for a pretty young woman half my age. I quietly said to her that I'd been up all night with a teething baby and would appreciate being left to rest before starting a long day at work unless she needed it more than me, and she was totally cool with it, and embarrassed that this other guy had made it awkward on her behalf. The elderly lady even offered to swap seats so I could lean on the window and sleep without being disturbed.

Basically, chivalry works on the assumption of who is stronger. I don't assume I have all the facts, but that shouldn't get in the way of basic politeness towards everyone. If a woman yells at me for holding a door I assume she's had to deal with far more sexist social crap than me as a white guy having my polite nature taken the wrong way once in a while.

Deleted member 8001 · Nov 19, 2017

Jiro said:
Games are full of half naked men with pounding muscles and textured nipples. Maybe in one out of hundred games there is a woman who is modeled in a sexist exploited way - and only then it becomes a "big deal". The hypocrisy knows no boundaries.

In what world do muscles equate to women flashing their buttocks, or their breasts jiggling as if they were made of Flubber? In what world do muscles equate to all of the sexually suggestive dialogue female characters have on average compared to male characters?

If there is someone who should be angry, it is the men. Men are some of the most exploited creatures on this planet. The sexism against men is ten times worse than the one against women. Just watch any Hollywood movie and count the half naked men compared to half naked women, I swear you will be surprised by the ratio. Muscles everywhere, men are shown as sex objects much more often than women.

Let's be honest for a second. You didn't actually pay attention to what you were watching because if you did, you would've seen the stark difference between female design and characterization compared to men.

And remember that all these products where men are being exploited, the producers are mostly men.

Which products? I do recall a lot of women being sexually harassed and exploited in Hollywood, by men.

How is it when the producers are women? Just look at the Japanese ikemen-gay games where almost all the staff are women. They draw some of the most sexist shit on this planet and make all men look like sex slaves to women.

I do not like this debate.

So what about Senran Kagura? Characters in that literally sexually assault each other and there's a new game coming out where you knock on one of the girls legs and watch it jiggle...for whatever reason.

Caronte · Nov 19, 2017

These days I avoid most games with sexualized female characters on them. It's just stupid and distracting.

Saucycarpdog · Nov 19, 2017

Jiro said:
snip

I'm just gonna assume you're not very good at sarcasm. Because the alternative would be much worse.

Angel DvA said:
I can see why Women are angry about those things, Men deal with it too but not at the same frequency, I personally don't care about it because I'm fine with both form of sexualisation.

We need to remember that all of it is pure fiction, Men and Women in medias in general are enhanced in purpose ( perfect looks, perfect hair in every situation, stronger than any human is capable of etc... ), they are everything average people aren't and that's why people in general wants to identify with them but I think, overall, Women have a better image in medias now than in the last 10 years which is good.

Oh come the fuck on. I've been skimming through this thread and even I saw the counter arguments for these. Mostly because people had to keep repeating them over and over again for people like you.

Pirate Bae · Nov 19, 2017

I think I've reached my max patience capacity

I long to float aimlessly into the void

Dary · Nov 19, 2017

*let's see how things have-*

If there is someone who should be angry, it is the men. Men are some of the most exploited creatures on this planet. The sexism against men is ten times worse than the one against women.

Derpot · Nov 19, 2017

Pirate Bae said:
I think I've reached my max patience capacity

I long to float aimlessly into the void

Ah well.
To be honest, it's not surprising at all. When it's about issues like these, those reactions are predictable.
I'm a bit tired myself, but heh, I tell myself to "deal with it". Some people just don't want change.

Cream · Nov 19, 2017

I have a question. I know by buying this stuff, I'm part of the problem. I don't at all reject the far too slowly changing landscape, and I get very excited about unique and deep female characters, so I definitely support those too. But look at me. I am willing to admit how much of a pervert I am. Like, I've bought every Senran Kagura game. I use the revealing outfits in Dragon's Dogma. I guess what I'm wondering can I still call myself a supporter and fighter for the advancement of respectful representation of women if I'm still contributing to the market containing the contrary?

Am I a total hypocrite for how angry I get about all the misogyny and sexism in gaming and the world? :(

CUD · Nov 19, 2017

I don't equate 'sexy' with 'sexist', while OP claims to not do the same their logic says otherwise.

Persephone said:
Because Quiet breathing through her skin is not a compelling reason for a trash bag bikini, within the narrative or outside of it. If you really, really want to stick with the skin-breathing, fuck, just dress her in a sports bra and running shorts.

Would you really not be making the same complaints if she was wearing a sports bra? I don't even see what is so hard to believe about her character in the first place, there are plenty of supernatural aspects to Metal Gear. It just seems that you don't find it to be a compelling reason because Quiet is also sexy.

What is it you want from video games? No sexualised characters at all? Women can't show off as much skin? What do you suggest and how would it improve video games?

GTAce · Nov 19, 2017

Pirate Bae said:
I think I've reached my max patience capacity

I long to float aimlessly into the void

Let's float together.
For fuck's sake, some of the posts here are really insulting in several ways.

CUD said:
Would you really not be making the same complaints if she was wearing a sports bra? I don't even see what is so hard to believe about her character in the first place, there are plenty of supernatural aspects to Metal Gear. It just seems that you don't find it to be a compelling reason because Quiet is also sexy.

Well, first of all, no one forced Kojima to make this character. This story didn't have to exist, you know? Also, the story doesn't explain some of the more awkward shit, like the posing in the helicopter, or the rain scene.

I actually liked Quiet as a character (and I have a slight celeb-crush on Joosten *cough*), but there are a lot of very, very concerning scenes in the game, which were nothing else than stupid, sexist fanservice.

CUD · Nov 19, 2017

Cream said:
I have a question. I know by buying this stuff, I'm part of the problem. I don't at all reject the far too slowly changing landscape, and I get very excited about unique and deep female characters, so I definitely support those too. But look at me. I am willing to admit how much of a pervert I am. Like, I've bought every Senran Kagura game. I use the revealing outfits in Dragon's Dogma. I guess what I'm wondering can I still call myself a supporter and fighter for the advancement of respectful representation of women if I'm still contributing to the market containing the contrary?

Am I a total hypocrite for how angry I get about all the misogyny and sexism in gaming and the world? :(

Keep on enjoying the games you enjoy, yes, even the sexy games. Some people will tell you the games themselves are sexist but I don't believe that to be the case. You can respect women and be sexually attracted to them so enjoying these sexualised games shouldn't be seen as hateful which it seems to be by some.

Weltall Zero · Nov 19, 2017

Derpot said:
Heh. To be honest sometimes I wish I was a man, life would be so easier.
When I was a teenager, I got catcalled and harassed by some men in the streets several times. And no, I wasn't wearing provocative clothes (because how many times people ask that stupid question, it shouldn't even matter), and I was minding my goddamn business. I felt uneasy and scared when this shit happened. I don't think it would have happened to me if I was a dude.
I'm not saying that men don't have any issues themselves because of their sex, of course, some men are also victims of toxic masculinity and of what society expects from them. It's just, yeah, it's more prevalent for women.

Frankly, as a man who's always lived with women and who makes an effort to see the world through everyone's eyes, there is so little that I consider that I'm worse off for being a man, as opposed to the hundreds of things (small and big) that women have to deal with, that the former might as well not exist. Basically the same as being white; once you start really making the effort of seeing the world through a POC's eyes, it's just incredible the amount of things you take for granted.

Pirate Bae said:
I think I've reached my max patience capacity

So there is a limit, I was begining to suspect it was infinite! :D Leave the thread for the rest of the day, we'll hold the fort (I will leave soon myself too).

Also for the truly obnoxious, obvious trolls like Jiro above I find it's best to just report and ignore rather than taking the time and energy to even acknowledge someone that a) is not going to listen to a word, and b) is going to get banned immediately. Let's pick our battles.

CUD said:
Keep on enjoying the games you enjoy, yes, even the sexy games. Some people will tell you the games themselves are sexist but I don't believe that to be the case. You can respect women and be sexually attracted to them so enjoying these sexualised games shouldn't be seen as hateful which it seems to be by some.

Thanks Dary, I feel like I'm going to get a lot of mileage out of that gif.

Cream · Nov 19, 2017

CUD said:
Keep on enjoying the games you enjoy, yes, even the sexy games. Some people will tell you the games themselves are sexist but I don't believe that to be the case. You can respect women and be sexually attracted to them so enjoying these sexualised games shouldn't be seen as hateful which it seems to be by some.

Sorry, but I absolutely do believe and agree with the women who say they are sexist. Im one of them. I'm not backing down from that.

My issue is that I feel like a bad person and a hypocrite sometimes for continuing to buy them

CUD · Nov 19, 2017

GTAce said:
Well, first of all, no one forced Kojima to make this character. This story didn't have to exist, you know? Also, the story doesn't explain some of the more awkward shit, like the posing in the helicopter, or the rain scene.

I actually liked Quiet as a character (and I have a slight celeb-crush on Joosten *cough*), but there are a lot of very, very concerning scenes in the game, which were nothing else than stupid, sexist fanservice.

Yeah, screw Kojima for creating the characters that he wants to create.

I'm not sure that I see how something being sexy makes it sexist. I keep seeing that claim thrown around but I just don't see how that's the case.

Monster Zero · Nov 19, 2017

Cream said:
Sorry, but I absolutely do believe and agree with the women who say they are sexist. Im one of them. I'm not backing down from that.

My issue is that I feel like a bad person and a hypocrite sometimes for continuing to buy them

It is hypocrisy but it doesn't make you a bad person.

CUD · Nov 19, 2017

Cream said:
Sorry, but I absolutely do believe and agree with the women who say they are sexist. Im one of them. I'm not backing down from that.

My issue is that I feel like a bad person and a hypocrite sometimes for continuing to buy them

That's fine, you're free to believe that. Since you do believe that these are sexist games then from your own perspective you would be hypocritical, although I wouldn't say you're a bad person based on this.

GTAce · Nov 19, 2017

CUD said:
Yeah, screw Kojima for creating the characters that he wants to create.

I'm not sure that I see how something being sexy makes it sexist. I keep seeing that claim thrown around but I just don't see how that's the case.

Yeah, screw Kojima for creating a sexist and creepy character. I respect this guy a lot, but definitely not because of this.

That you don't see why objectifying women is bad and really problematic, and shows why the outcry and the publicity is important.
This stance proves that we need feminism.

CUD · Nov 19, 2017

GTAce said:
That you don't see why objectifying women is bad and really problematic, and shows why the outcry and the publicity is important.
This stance proves that we need feminism.

Should no fictional character breathe through their skin or wear clothing that is too revealing? I'm not sure why everything comes down to 'objectification', it just comes across as "cover your characters up, they're showing too much skin!" What is it that I'm missing?

Syril · Nov 19, 2017

Cream said:
I have a question. I know by buying this stuff, I'm part of the problem. I don't at all reject the far too slowly changing landscape, and I get very excited about unique and deep female characters, so I definitely support those too. But look at me. I am willing to admit how much of a pervert I am. Like, I've bought every Senran Kagura game. I use the revealing outfits in Dragon's Dogma. I guess what I'm wondering can I still call myself a supporter and fighter for the advancement of respectful representation of women if I'm still contributing to the market containing the contrary?

Am I a total hypocrite for how angry I get about all the misogyny and sexism in gaming and the world? :(

I wouldn't say so myself. The whole problem is less that this stuff exists in the first place and more that it's so common that it's practically the default. Like, regarding Dragon's Dogma it's less that there are revealing outfits in the game at all and more that equipment pieces that appear as standard medieval fantasy armor on male characters appear as completely different sexualized armor on female characters. For way too many games with appearance customization in general you have to go out of your way to find outfits for female characters that aren't sexualized to the point where it feels like a triumph when you're able to have your character wear actual pants.

GTAce · Nov 19, 2017

CUD said:
Should no fictional character breathe through their skin or wear clothing that is too revealing? I'm not sure why everything comes down to 'objectification', it just comes across as "cover your characters up, they're showing too much skin!" What is it that I'm missing?

Have you even played the fucking game, or are you just daft?

How is this shit relevant to her story?

EDIT:

Or this nonsense.

Ferrs · Nov 19, 2017

GTAce said:
Have you even played the fucking game, or are you just daft?

How is this shit relevant to her story?

EDIT:

Or this nonsense.

you forgot this one

CannonFodder52 · Nov 19, 2017

Llyrwenne said:
Looks like I went to bed right before things exploded. Happy to see the mod team on top of this. I'm working on a thread about how these derails happen - this is my list so far;

General Etiquette
Read the OP, not just the title. Read the first few and last few pages of discussion so that you know what is being discussed. Don't insult others or generalize entire groups. Don't just say what you think, explain why you think it.

Artistic Integrity and Censorship.

Double Standards, Shoehorning, 'Only if the writing is good', Tokenism, Pandering, Political Correctness, and Hidden Agendas.

'Games are just for fun' and 'Keep politics out of videogames'.

Attack the Source (Ad Hominem), False Dichotomy, Blame the Discussion, Tone Policing, 'If you call out … you are the real …', Click-bait, Outrage Culture, and False Equivalence.

Status Quo, 'This is just how it is', Circular Logic and Statistics, 'Just stop playing', 'Why aren't women making their own games', 'Do sexism and racism even exist', and Anecdotal Evidence.

See No Evil, Raceblindness, All Lives Matter, Whataboutism, and Diversitypocalypse Slippery Slope.

Historical Accuracy.

Any big ones I'm missing?

I guess it falls under Whataboutism. But I've seen about half a dozen posters try to ask, why focus objectification and not on the amount of violence in video games?
It feels like some kind of weird attempt at calling out hypocrisy. It's obviously unreasonable to layer all issues on one to group to tackle.

GTAce · Nov 19, 2017

Ferrs said:
you forgot this one

Ugh, yes.

Kinsei · Nov 19, 2017

Ferrs said:
you forgot this one

Ugh, she's presented as just a pair of breasts in this scene. How the fuck can a series go from The Boss in MGS3 to this shit?

Master Alucard · Nov 19, 2017

Cream said:
Sorry, but I absolutely do believe and agree with the women who say they are sexist. Im one of them. I'm not backing down from that.

My issue is that I feel like a bad person and a hypocrite sometimes for continuing to buy them

nah, don't feel bad. it's a form of entertainment you enjoy and it's only up to you. you may admit it's a bit contradictory but it's fine, you do you

Pirate Bae · Nov 19, 2017

CUD said:
Yeah, screw Kojima for creating the characters that he wants to create.

I'm not sure that I see how something being sexy makes it sexist. I keep seeing that claim thrown around but I just don't see how that's the case.

Sexy isn't sexist, you're right. The issue is "is a character's sexiness done to to detriment of their overall character, in that they are made a sexual object through their portrayal?"

Quiet, for example. She's sexy. Good for her. Her outfit, coupled with some stupid reason as to why she wears said outfit, is sexist. Why is she in a bikini and fishnets? As a sniper, she should be in some tactical field gear. Something that enhances and fits her character, not something that deliberately accentuates her female sex characteristics because Kojima likes boobs and knows that showing boobs panders to an overwhelmingly large male majority.

Quiet's sniper abilities are secondary to her tits and ass, through the way she is portrayed via her outfit and the camera angles.

Ferrs · Nov 19, 2017

Cream said:
Sorry, but I absolutely do believe and agree with the women who say they are sexist. Im one of them. I'm not backing down from that.

My issue is that I feel like a bad person and a hypocrite sometimes for continuing to buy them

I mean, in my eyes, even though it may sound a bit hypocrite, as long as you stand for woman and try to listen, understand and support them, and don't mansplain them and brush their concerns like they're nothing, for me you're ok (and i've seen post from you on Etcera doing it).

I mean, no one here has said for the complete delete of fanservice, just a better representation and more respect for women. There's place for everything, the problem is that the place for respect to women in gaming is so SO small.

Windrunner · Nov 19, 2017

There's also the scene where a Russian soldier drowns Quiet and then attempts to rape what he thinks is her corpse.

If you think objection to Quiet is petty prudishness then you're a total muppet or you haven't played the game.

LinLeigh · Nov 19, 2017

CUD said:
Should no fictional character breathe through their skin or wear clothing that is too revealing? I'm not sure why everything comes down to 'objectification', it just comes across as "cover your characters up, they're showing too much skin!" What is it that I'm missing?

Nudity is not objectification.

Female characters being designed around the sexual preference of men even when it goes against their character is one of the issues.

In me2 Miranda finally opens up to you and you get a pretty emotional cut scene. In the middle of it the camera randomly focuses on her butt. This is a character that resents how her father created her and sees her as nothing more than a tool.

In me 3 the kick ass Ashley shows up again as a barbie doll. Can is the tough soldier who just gets on with things.

In both cases it wasn't so much nudity as reducing these two characters to sexual objects.

Now Morrigan in da: Origins walks around with her boobs almost hanging out most of the time. Yet I actually really liked her.

She is her own person and uses her sexuality to get what she wants.

I think a big issue is men not noticing the male gaze. Wonder woman isn't exactly covered up and yet most women liked her. The absence of the male gaze shots is a huge factor in that.

For any men who actually want to understand I would say pay attention to the camera when watching a movie or playing a game. Because it is the most efficient tool in reducing an interesting character to an object.

caff!!! · Nov 19, 2017

Kinsei said:
Ugh, she's presented as just a pair of breasts in this scene. How the fuck can a series go from The Boss in MGS3 to this shit?

Kojima is horny as fuck, but unlike Yoko Taro, he makes up endless baloney for the trash in game.

Also Kojima wanted The Boss to have a breast exposed for the big fight

EDIT: said clip

Ferrs · Nov 19, 2017

In Wonder Woman case, for what I did see of JL (didn't see the movie) the camera between both movies is another example.

WW

JL

Senjy89 · Nov 19, 2017

Windrunner said:
There's also the scene where a Russian soldier drowns Quiet and then attempts to rape what he thinks is her corpse.

Jesus christ Kojima , what the actual fuck.

Dary · Nov 19, 2017

LinLeigh said:
In me2 Miranda finally opens up to you and you get a pretty emotional cut scene. In the middle of it the camera randomly focuses on her butt. This is a character that resents how her father created her and sees her as nothing more than a tool.

I remember cringing like hell at that. Persona 5 has similar issues: what do you do with a character who endured sexual harassment from a teacher (and whose best friend attempted suicide after said teacher raped her)? Focus on her tits and make her the constant punchline of jokes.

Just...how?

Antrax · Nov 19, 2017

Quiet is literally just a fetish puppet. She's a nearly nude woman who literally can't speak.

And that torture gif is fucking disgusting. Not enough for Kojima that she's a fuck doll but still has her face, so gotta take that away. Make it really clear that her tits are the real victims in the scene.

Kinsei · Nov 19, 2017

caff!!! said:
Also Kojima wanted The Boss to have a breast exposed for the big fight

Christ. Maybe it's a good thing that Silent Hills got cancelled.

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