James Gunn in demand after Disney Studio firing

Alice said:

I hope the optimism won't lead to utter disappointment.

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I'm not opmistic. This stain will leave a mark on something I enjoy a whole lot and I honestly doubt that it'll wear it off, and I blame the cybernazis AND Disney via Alan Horn and Bob Iger for allowing that to happen. Regardless the outcome, I honestly think this will have a ripple effect that affects all of us, let alone Disney's fucking movies. I predict even more polarization and an "wet blanket effect" on MCU and Disney films coming forward, but this is just a tiny bit of how big this is and how fucked up it's getting more and more. Gunn coming back would be a small win, but the damage is already done.

IMHO, this is also about this:





This is about empowering literal cybernazis to twist reality on their favor. When Alan Horn and ultimately Disney went that route, they already opened the pandora box. Gunn coming back would be positive, but too little too late now. This is about Disney starting to help to fix the damage they've done, not actually fixing it.

Oh, I know what you mean. I'm far less passionate about it, but this is like spilling a cup of coffee over a book you enjoy. You may be able to salvage it, and the content is still the same, but it'll always be stained and you'll always remember that.

Pratt's comment doesn't sound very much like they're actually going to reinstate Gunn. It kind of sounds like he's accepted what's happened and his love of playing Quill has taken precedence over campaigning to get him back. Kind of a crappy and weak stance to take but I do understand where he's coming from. I don't necessarily think James would want his friends to sabotage their own careers for his sake, and not everyone can give as few fucks as Batista lol.

SinkFla said:

Pratt's comment doesn't sound very much like they're actually going to reinstate Gunn. It kind of sounds like he's accepted what's happened and his love of playing Quill has taken precedence over campaigning to get him back. Kind of a crappy and weak stance to take but I do understand where he's coming from. I don't necessarily think James would want his friends to sabotage their own careers for his sake, and not everyone can give as few fucks as Batista lol.

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Do you think they are "friends"?

BossAttack said:

You don't see Rian Johnson cursing out idiots that irrationally hate TLJ and say all sorts of nasty shit to him. When he does respond to such nonsense it's in a reserved and tasteful manner.

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You're pitting 'man defends his work' against 'man defends his friend'. That's not the same thing.

I think it'a safe to say that Gunn is donezo permanently. Some weird ass talks if it's taking thizls long.

Hydeus said:

Do you think they are "friends"?

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Well Gunn and Pratt said they are... So yeah? Lol. It doesn't really matter how we or anyone else views the situation, if they're still cool with each other then that's their business. James has stuck up for Chris in the past (like when people attacked him for "praying for Kevin Smith"), and Pratt's made it publically clear that he wants Gunn back. Weighing the legitimacy of other people's friendships that I have zero personal connection to has always seemed highschool as fuck.

Edit: And I think if it's just PR fluff then Dave wouldn't hesitate to call his ass out on it lol.

Hydeus said:

Do you think they are "friends"?

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I dunno, James turned Pratt from some overweight nobody that used to be the punchline in some comedy US show to one of the biggest male stars in the world, I don't exactly expect them to be friends but for Pratt to have a bit more gratitude than this.

subpar spatula said:

I think it'a safe to say that Gunn is donezo permanently. Some weird ass talks if it's taking thizls long.

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If he were done, another director would have been announced. At minimum, that talks between Disney and Gunn feel apart.

Also I saw somewhere Pratt's movie "Cowboy Ninja Viking" (da fuck) got delayed indefinitely. I imagine that has something to do with this whole fiasco? GOTG3 revised release date is probably up in the air at this point I suppose.

TheEnd said:

I dunno, James turned Pratt from some overweight nobody that used to be the punchline in some comedy US show to one of the biggest male stars in the world, I don't exactly expect them to be friends but for Pratt to have a bit more gratitude than this.

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So the right amount of attitude is going against his contract and not show up in a movie for him?

Nappuccino said:

If he were done, another director would have been announced. At minimum, that talks between Disney and Gunn feel apart.

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Why would Disney do an immediate hire? The movie isn't in production. Only the script has been worked on (and that's Gunn), and there was no release date. It's fair to assume Disney is OK with taking their time replacing Gunn.

SinkFla said:

Pratt's comment doesn't sound very much like they're actually going to reinstate Gunn. It kind of sounds like he's accepted what's happened and his love of playing Quill has taken precedence over campaigning to get him back. Kind of a crappy and weak stance to take but I do understand where he's coming from. I don't necessarily think James would want his friends to sabotage their own careers for his sake, and not everyone can give as few fucks as Batista lol.

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More like, Pratt is a better professional than Bautista. Bautista's behaviour is embarassing at this point, the man has no professionality at all.

May 2020 is guardians 3 with black widow being July 2020

subpar spatula said:

Why would Disney do an immediate hire? The movie isn't in production. Only the script has been worked on (and that's Gunn), and there was no release date. It's fair to assume Disney is OK with taking their time replacing Gunn.

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ZattMurdock said:

Once again, I second Bob Chipman:

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I understand the concern for the right wing involvement, but I would struggle to blame anyone from wanting to distance themselves from someone who post that kind of filth. What the actual fuck.

SinkFla said:

Also I saw somewhere Pratt's movie "Cowboy Ninja Viking" (da fuck) got delayed indefinitely. I imagine that has something to do with this whole fiasco? GOTG3 revised release date is probably up in the air at this point I suppose.

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It got delayed for two reasons:

1) they were rewriting the script days before production was slated to begin, which is a bad sign for the film.

2) Pratt is still scheduled to shoot GOTG3 in early 2019, meaning it would be a very tight shoot for "Cowboy Ninja Viking."

Because of this, it makes more sense to delay CNV till the script reaches an acceptable state than make a bad blockbuster that'll get delayed anyway due to reshoots.

subpar spatula said:

Why would Disney do an immediate hire? The movie isn't in production. Only the script has been worked on (and that's Gunn), and there was no release date. It's fair to assume Disney is OK with taking their time replacing Gunn.

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No official release date, but Gunn basically said on a Facebook Live video that it'd be the May 1, 2020 MCU release. He went on FB live at the end of April and said "two years from now" for GotGv3.

https://www.facebook.com/jgunn/videos/10155062732056157/

"Two years from today, or around this time, we'll have Guardians of the Galaxy vol. 3."

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subpar spatula said:

Why would Disney do an immediate hire? The movie isn't in production. Only the script has been worked on (and that's Gunn), and there was no release date. It's fair to assume Disney is OK with taking their time replacing Gunn.

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GotG has a large ensemble cast, many of which are fairly big stars in their own right. There's a limited window of time where you can get all of them in the same place to film a movie.

When Marvel changed directors for one of their movies, there was a star who wasn't thrilled by it, but did the movie because of contractual obligation. The performance we got is, at best, lackluster. I really don't know of any director out there that would be able to make this cast thrilled to be working on GotG3 (aside from that Jimmy Gunnbergo guy). Sure, they'll all show up, put in sincere effort, and do the work, but even the best actors show when they're not really into it.

Then you have the press junkets, which will be filled with "So, what was it like for the group to be working without Gunn?"

subpar spatula said:

Why would Disney do an immediate hire? The movie isn't in production. Only the script has been worked on (and that's Gunn), and there was no release date. It's fair to assume Disney is OK with taking their time replacing Gunn.

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Disney has its release dates already locked down - they just haven't publicly announced what they are. GotG 3 was presumably the first release right after Spider-man 2.

Sacul64 said:

Didn't you get banned for downplaying a sexual assault like 3 months ago?

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this is a great find.

ridiculous that people are purposely being so dense that they ignore the main reason people are upset about this.

Dave needs to get on over to DC and play Bane or Mr Freeze in a Batman film directed by Gunn.

ManaByte said:

No official release date, but Gunn basically said on a Facebook Live video that it'd be the May 1, 2020 MCU release. He went on FB live at the end of April and said "two years from now" for GotGv3.

https://www.facebook.com/jgunn/videos/10155062732056157/

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No official means it's up in the air. No reason to take Gunn's word for it as he has no control of the release window.

subpar spatula said:

No official means it's up in the air. No reason to take Gunn's word for it as he has no control of the release window.

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But he was the director of the movie. He would know what release date they needed to hit.

ManaByte said:

But he was the director of the movie. He would know what release date they needed to hit.

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Ok? That means nothing. It wasn't official. It means Disney has room to move.

How long do separation agreements typically take?
I want to see if a major studio jumps right on him or if he does lower tier stuff for a while.

wtf

Zatt's last ban was deserved but what's up with this last one

subpar spatula said:

Ok? That means nothing. It wasn't official. It means Disney has room to move.

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It wasn't *public*, that doesn't mean it wasn't official, and being official also never means there isn't room to move. Movies are shot on very strict schedules but production still gets moved around all the time. It's just a lot harder the closer it is to a start date.

Razgriz-Specter said:

How long do separation agreements typically take?
I want to see if a major studio jumps right on him or if he does lower tier stuff for a while.

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He was contracted and had written the screenplay.
Ages

Visanideth said:

I understand the concern for the right wing involvement, but I would struggle to blame anyone from wanting to distance themselves from someone who post that kind of filth. What the actual fuck.

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You think those tweets are bad, wait until you rent The Aristocrats. No one even batted an eye at anyone involved in that (except maybe Bob Saget by folks who didn't yet know the real Bob Saget). Twitter and other forms of social media have decontextualized transgressive humor to the point where there is no way in hell a lot of comedians would agree to do a documentary like The Aristocrats in 2018.

guek said:

wtf

Zack's last ban was deserved but what's up with this last one

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At this point I'm convinced the mods just don't like him and are just coming up with excuses to ban him under durations that fly just under the point of needing admin approval.

I'm PMing an admin over this. I have no idea how this is at all acceptable.

EDIT: Should have PM'd a mod, I definitely get the ban now.

PMing admins would be best if you have a question about a ban, can also PM me and I can try to help.

guek said:

wtf

Zatt's last ban was deserved but what's up with this last one


It wasn't *public*, that doesn't mean it wasn't official, and being official also never means there isn't room to move. Movies are shot on very strict schedules but production still gets moved around all the time. It's just a lot harder the closer it is to a start date.

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StarCreator said:

At this point I'm convinced the mods just don't like him and are just coming up with excuses to ban him under durations that fly just under the point of needing admin approval.

I'm PMing an admin over this. I have no idea how this is at all acceptable.

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Trying to equate this James Gunn situation with people being harassed for defending trans rights is a bad take in my opinion. It also probably doesn't look that good given that Zatt doing the whole "worse than #MeToo" thing is still in people's memories

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Sephzilla said:

Trying to equate this James Gunn situation with people being harassed for defending trans rights is a bad take in my opinion. It also probably doesn't look that good given that Zatt doing the whole "worse than #MeToo" thing is still in people's memories

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Pretty much this.

Sephzilla said:

Trying to equate this James Gunn situation with people being harassed for defending trans rights is a bad take in my opinion. It also probably doesn't look that good given that Zatt doing the whole "worse than #MeToo" thing is still in people's memories

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Indeed. People need to have some perspective about this.

Sephzilla said:

Trying to equate this James Gunn situation with people being harassed for defending trans rights is a bad take in my opinion. It also probably doesn't look that good given that Zatt doing the whole "worse than #MeToo" thing is still in people's memories

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I don't think that was the take that was intended. The posted example is someone having been shut down by Twitter themselves over a tweet they made, which he seems to feel is an example of alt-right empowerment over being able to shut down any voice contrary to their own. It's a bit of a stretch, but I agree that this empowerment is really the big issue that Disney has unintentionally endorsed.

I also completely fail to understand how his behavior in another thread, which he has already served a ban for and apologized over, has any relevance to how he should be engaged in this one.

Sephzilla said:

Trying to equate this James Gunn situation with people being harassed for defending trans rights is a bad take in my opinion. It also probably doesn't look that good given that Zatt doing the whole "worse than #MeToo" thing is still in people's memories

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I don't think it's equating one with the other. There's definitely a larger discussion to be had here, not only about how Twitter's moderation clearly empowers hate groups but also how the whole Gunn fiasco has emboldened them to continue to act through the platform.

Also, maybe my eyes were deceiving me but I could have sworn the ban message was on his post just prior to that one. That's why I was confused.

I think he just didnt want Disney let alt-right get a win, open a paradox something something .... just worded it poorly.

I think after he said this was bigger than #MeToo he lost the benefit of the doubt in future iffy comparisons. But I don't think the thread needs to become a discussion about the ban (even if I initially participated in that).

Good lord the moderation on this site is out of control. Whoever banned Zatt for that, grow up. Seriously.

StarCreator said:

I don't think that was the take that was intended. The posted example is someone having been shut down by Twitter themselves over a tweet they made, which he seems to feel is an example of alt-right empowerment over being able to shut down any voice contrary to their own. It's a bit of a stretch, but I agree that this empowerment is really the big issue that Disney has unintentionally endorsed.

I also completely fail to understand how his behavior in another thread, which he has already served a ban for and apologized over, has any relevance to how he should be engaged in this one.

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Its a bit of a stretch to try and compare those two situations in any way. While they both have to deal with groups rising up and harassing people for something, that's about where it ends. James Gunn said the things that he was fired for. While he may have changed and apologized for them, and probably didn't deserve to be fired, he still said them. Trans people existing and trying to just defend ourselves from hate groups on Twitter isn't even remotely comparable, because we haven't done anything wrong. We're just being attacked for existing, and Twitter is allowing that to happen.

And its also a little strange that he thinks that James Gunn's firing is what is emboldening people to harass trans people on Twitter and elsewhere online. No, that's been happening for a long time now, and people have just been ignoring it until its something bigger in the spotlight that makes it useful for him. That's why its similar to the #MeToo movement comment as well, because in my opinion, it just feels like he's trying to use all of these causes to defend Gunn because he loves Marvel that much. Not that he actually cares about those causes in any way.

Terminus said:

Good lord the moderation on this site is out of control. Whoever banned Zatt for that, grow up. Seriously.

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The moderation as a whole is incredibly good. That doesn't mean some stuff won't slip through. There will be unfair ban from time to time. It's unavoidable.

His ban seems harsh here (though I understood the last one). This one ban is not reflective of the site as a whole though. Harsh moderation helps keep this site from being what the other site now is -- a forum where people are literally calling each liberals "cucks" and it's okay with the moderation stuff.

#FreeZatt

Hmm

Please crack down on blatant racism too

ZeoVGM said:

His ban seems harsh here

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Considering its his third ban just within the confines of James Gunn topics I almost think he got off easy, honestly. This was a step down from his other two though (the #MeToo thing and the piracy thing).

but we should probably get back on topic

Jiggy said:

#FreeZatt

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#SubscriptionBasedZatt

StarCreator said:

I also completely fail to understand how his behavior in another thread, which he has already served a ban for and apologized over, has any relevance to how he should be engaged in this one.

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Another thread on the same topic, and apologies don't mean much if you continue the same behaviour:


As a trans person having James Gunn suffering consequences for terrible things he said in the past, consequences he's accepted, compared to oppression and hatred of my community for existing is fucking horseshit.... Especially when previously James Gunn suffering consequences was described by the same person as bigger than MeToo...

You can think the consequences are harsh you can hate how it came to be, but this began with what he said, so no it's not comparable to being oppressed for simply existing and I resent a guy who has a history of previously downplaying transphobia previously and derailing a topic on it using my community to grandstand once again.

Honestly you might as well perm lil buddy at this point if you can't stand him

ZeoVGM said:

The moderation as a whole is incredibly good. That doesn't mean some stuff won't slip through. There will be unfair ban from time to time. It's unavoidable.

His ban seems harsh here (though I understood the last one). This one ban is not reflective of the site as a whole though. Harsh moderation helps keep this site from being what the other site now is -- a forum where people are literally calling each liberals "cucks" and it's okay with the moderation stuff.

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Listen, Zatt just compared Trans-individuals simply existing and getting locked out of Twitter for raising awareness to James Gunn getting fired for pedo jokes. It's a bit of a stretch.

Now, do people make absurd comparisons all the time on here? Sure, but Zatt's been stanning real hard for Gunn here and has repeatedly drawn these types of crazy comparisons. James Gunn getting fired is fucked up and disgraceful coming from Disney. But, it's also not the holocaust or #MeToo or Trans people dying or slavery or any other real world terrible event or social issue. If James Gunn is never rehired by Disney, he'll still have plenty of opportunities to make mega-million dollar movies at other studios. That should tell you it is not like other actual issues out there.

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On a separate note, hold the line Zatt. I believe the key to James Gunn getting rehired is accepting in your heart that TDKR was a great movie.