If you really think that has some sexualization, than I think you need some help.All 3 have at least some sexualization, though MVC is probably the strongest on that front.
If you really think that has some sexualization, than I think you need some help.All 3 have at least some sexualization, though MVC is probably the strongest on that front.
Quiet is actually the worst because on top of being a walking sex doll, she's extremely contradictory in how she acts around you.
The game implies at times that she might have feelings for you, but she still acts extremely aggressive or at the very least cold towards you all the time... Unless you're riding the helicopter with her! Then she acts like this
At no other point in the game she acts sexy or even flirty with you or anyone (outside of a terrible shower scene, but that's an easter egg). I seear at times I think she started as pure fanservice like in the gif, but Kojima probably pulled a tragic back story for her out of his ass once people complained about her design.
So basically if mods start banning for wrong think it would be better? No doubt it would be for sensitive hiveminded folks, but this isn't neogaf.Great post. It seems like every thread criticizing sexualization devolves into 'whataboutism' and drive by thread whining. I do think that as ResetEra continues to mature we'll see far less of this as particularly toxic individuals are weeded out.
If you really think that has some sexualization, than I think you need some help.
So basically if mods start banning for wrong think it would be better? No doubt it would be for sensitive hiveminded folks, but this isn't neogaf.
So basically if mods start banning for wrong think it would be better? No doubt it would be for sensitive hiveminded folks, but this isn't neogaf.
The hivemind nonsense complaints about that place were always code for "they're very intolerant of my low key bigoted views" anyway lmao. If people want to share their sexist, racist, transphobic, etc views freely then they have literally the entire rest of the internet to do so without any "censorship" to stop them.So basically if mods start banning for wrong think it would be better? No doubt it would be for sensitive hiveminded folks, but this isn't neogaf.
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Injustice 2
Tekken 7
To be fair, the same thing could be said about the apparent sexism in video game characters.Or, because we've heard your shlock a million times before and it got old the first time.
Sorry if I haven't seen, but most of the comments trying to discuss and giving their own opinions aren't trolls or trying to derail. Hell, some people here will probably report me for derailing even though I am not doing that.
As I said, I feel people just see what they want to see. What do you want female characters to dress like than? Full head gear, baggy dress, long skirts?
Uhh, no. It's always because people can't share their opinions without getting flamed for it. for example, in old neogaf, if I were to give a reasonable argument as to why Tlou isn't a good game, you would get tons of comments calling you out for no reasons and even reporting you. Expecting you to fall in line and think in an echo chamber. This is what I mean about "hivemind". Same thing in reddit though I think it's worse since you get downvoted into oblivion.The hivemind nonsense complaints about that place were always code for
I can imagine tons, and their are good examples in the same games you pointed out, but I again turn the question to you and say "Why can't you accept female characters with cleavage, body forming clothing, and short skirts?"Are you really so unimaginative that you cannot picture women wearing different outfits unless they show cleavage, body forming clothing, or short skirts?
I can imagine tons, and their are good examples in the same games you pointed out, but I again turn the question to you and say "Why can't you accept female characters with cleavage, body forming clothing, and short skirts?"
Did... did you really ask how Morrigan is an example of sexualization?So, how is this sexualization? Is she naked? Is she just show her figure? What's up.
I wasn't calling you out specifically and I should have been clearer that I only meant the hivemind idea being nonsense when people complained about it regarding social issues in games rather than silly stuff like GOTY wars. The latter can be absolutely true but IMO that's more related to the nature of forums and online discussions than a specific issue with a specific community.Uhh, no. It's always because people can't share their opinions without getting flamed for it. for example, in old neogaf, if I were to give a reasonable argument as to why Tlou isn't a good game, you would get tons of comments calling you out for no reasons and even reporting you. Expecting you to fall in line and think in an echo chamber. This is what I mean about "hivemind". Same thing in reddit though I think it's worse since you get downvoted into oblivion.
Hell, I'm already getting tons of comments with snark and even reports just for sharing my opinion about "sexualization" of female characters. It's just opinions, it doesn't mean I'm a bigot or have "lowkey bigot views".
Or, because we've heard your shlock a million times before and it got old the first time.
To both of you: please stop derailing the thread with meta-commentary like this.To be fair, the same thing could be said about the apparent sexism in video game characters.
That's what I got from it also, however, I still can't understand the OP since I just named you 5 big games from this year, of the most popular genres that don't have/or have a minimum of sexualized females. some people here are acting like if every game is dead or alive beach ball or something.
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Again, not seeing the sexualization other than a her cleavage.
As I said, I feel people just see what they want to see. What do you want female characters to dress like than? Full head gear, baggy dress, long skirts?
I, for one, am deeply offended by the underlying premise of this thread, which implies males tend to get sexually aroused by some polygons that are somehow supposed to represent the female body.
0:05 and 0:27
If you can't see it then I'm having a hard time believing you are not being disingenuous
That's what I got from it also, however, I still can't understand the OP since I just named you 5 big games from this year, of the most popular genres that don't have/or have a minimum of sexualized females. some people here are acting like if every game is dead or alive beach ball or something.
well at least morrigan is the one that make most senseDid... did you really ask how Morrigan is an example of sexualization?
Yeah, okay. You're not fooling anybody anymore.
Agreed, only cause she's supposed to be a succubus.
These are Japanese developed games a lot of people here are talking about. The culture regarding this kind of thing in video games and anime in Japan is very different to that of the West. Should we really expect Japanese developers to conform to Western standards? Also, if prevalence is the problem then what is the realistic solution? Do developers that want to create sexy female characters need to revise their designs?If you had read the OP, the issue is not the fact they the wear that, it is the sheer prevalence of it that is the problem. In addition to the fact the fact that women will be wearing said clothing will men will be wearing full armor. Look at when we were discussing Xenoblade Chronicles 2, asides from Morag, many women wear fanservice clothing while men wear full gear for no real reason other than fanservice.
Did... did you really ask how Morrigan is an example of sexualization?
Yeah, okay. You're not fooling anybody anymore.
These are Japanese developed games a lot of people here are talking about. The culture regarding this kind of thing in video games and anime in Japan is very different to that of the West. Should we really expect Japanese developers to conform to Western standards? Also, if prevalence is the problem then what is the realistic solution? Do developers that want to create sexy female characters need to revise their designs?
It doesn't seem reasonable to impose Western standards on Japanese developers, nor should we be creating limitations on the creative freedoms of developers/designers. While it's fine to make the complaint, it seems odd to the extent that it is complained about considering this isn't something that can or should be controlled.
Is this a joke? I'm not seeing any sexualization at all. I'm not even going to waste my time having to explain why a character wearing school uniform is not sexualization.If you can't see it then I'm having a hard time believing you are not being disingenuous
Yea, is that the entire game though? Nice try, but nitpicking a few characters to try and prove a point is disingenuous itself.He's trying to claim a succubus and a Hinoenma aren't sexualized.
It's not the outfit, it's the camera. Look at the way it pans to give you a look down her shirt at 0:05.Is this a joke? I'm not seeing any sexualization at all. I'm not even going to waste my time having to explain why a character wearing school uniform is not sexualization.
Yea, is that the entire game though? Nice try, but nitpicking a few characters to try and prove a point is disingenuous itself.
Are you seriously not seeing the constant panning of the camera on her chest?Is this a joke? I'm not seeing any sexualization at all. I'm not even going to waste my time having to explain why a character wearing school uniform is not sexualization.
I'm not even going to bother with this.
Well, seeing how most, if not all the characters used as examples aren't even close to sexualization or just so minuscule that you have to resort to "camera angles" or simply tight clothing. A few characters in a big roster of fighting games that seem "sexualized" in your eyes doesn't mean the game has a problem. Also, here is another question I've been meaning to ask. Even if this game was dead or alive tier nudity, how would that be such a bad thing? My girlfriend and sisters don't mind this type of stuff, and in fact love playing as Mileena from Mortal Kombat. You can claim anecdotal evidence all you want, but the point is that this is such a nonissue since female gamers who really care about games wouldn't care about the characters or how they dress, they would instead care if it's fun. This is the thing I've been seeing lately that instead of gamers having fun with different games, people have to bring politics into things and dictate whether this or that is bad.You're the one that claimed those games had no sexualized characters in them, not us. Also it's not disingenuous to point out just how pervasive this stuff is.
I think part of the problem is that it can be subjective. The camera was showing her hands punching together, you would generally do that in front of your chest. They would have had to have a different animation just because her cleavage would be shown in the same shot. I can see how it could be interpreted to be sexualised from the video that was linked but it's a pretty tame example if you ask me.Having cleavage isn't necessarily objectification. Having a camera focus on that cleavage is another story.
Are you seriously not seeing the constant panning of the camera on her chest?
This is why these discussions are important. Because blatant sexualization has been so normalized that some people apparently don't even notice it even when it's right there.
It is hard to take your denials of trolling seriously when you post a blatant "fake gamer girls" comment like this. You are essentially saying that every female gamer who's posted in this thread "don't really care about games". Surely a non-troll would see how insulting that sounds?female gamers who really care about games wouldn't care about the characters or how they dress, they would instead care if it's fun.
Excuse me?I'm not even going to bother with this.
Well, seeing how most, if not all the characters used as examples aren't even close to sexualization or just so minuscule that you have to resort to "camera angles" or simply tight clothing. A few characters in a big roster of fighting games that seem "sexualized" in your eyes doesn't mean the game has a problem. Also, here is another question I've been meaning to ask. Even if this game was dead or alive tier nudity, how would that be such a bad thing? My girlfriend and sisters don't mind this type of stuff, and in fact love playing as Mileena from Mortal Kombat. You can claim anecdotal evidence all you want, but the point is that this is such a nonissue since female gamers who really care about games wouldn't care about the characters or how they dress, they would instead care if it's fun. This is the thing I've been seeing lately that instead of gamers having fun with different games, people have to bring politics into things and dictate whether this or that is bad.
Now I think I should stop commenting since the mods will probably ban me for trying to "derail" the thread, even though I'm not trying to do that.
I'm not even going to bother with this.
Well, seeing how most, if not all the characters used as examples aren't even close to sexualization or just so minuscule that you have to resort to "camera angles" or simply tight clothing. .
Or they could have actually focused on her hands without having to include her cleavage because were punching together beneath her chest not in front of it.I think part of the problem is that it can be subjective. The camera was showing her hands punching together, you would generally do that in front of your chest. They would have had to have a different animation just because her cleavage would be shown in the same shot. I can see how it could be interpreted to be sexualised from the video that was linked but it's a pretty tame example if you ask me.
You can claim anecdotal evidence all you want, but the point is that this is such a nonissue since female gamers who really care about games wouldn't care about the characters or how they dress, they would instead care if it's fun.
If only one could ask people who are in the targeted demographic, what THEY think.I think part of the problem is that it can be subjective. The camera was showing her hands punching together, you would generally do that in front of your chest. They would have had to have a different animation just because her cleavage would be shown in the same shot. I can see how it could be interpreted to be sexualised from the video that was linked but it's a pretty tame example if you ask me.
This is the thing I've been seeing lately that instead of gamers having fun with different games, people have to bring politics into things and dictate whether this or that is bad.
Right now, I am considering picking up Ys VIII, a game with some female character designs that definitely make me uncomfortable. What are the other recently released, story-driven action RPGs with strong combat that I should be playing in its place?
While we're on this subject, I'm fucking sick of zettai ryouiki. It seems like every female character in japanese video games HAS to wear it and I'm just sick of it. It's been done to the ground. It's not even attractive anymore because of how common it is.
Paul "beefiest daddy" Phoenix has a similiar intro pose (1:01 in the video) but the camera works for him is totally differentI think part of the problem is that it can be subjective. The camera was showing her hands punching together, you would generally do that in front of your chest. They would have had to have a different animation just because her cleavage would be shown in the same shot. I can see how it could be interpreted to be sexualised from the video that was linked but it's a pretty tame example if you ask me.
Poison Ivy has always been sexualize, but even than she is much more tame here than in other comics/games featuring her.
Again, not seeing the sexualization other than a her cleavage.
As I said, I feel people just see what they want to see. What do you want female characters to dress like than? Full head gear, baggy dress, long skirts?
I'm not even going to bother with this.
Well, seeing how most, if not all the characters used as examples aren't even close to sexualization or just so minuscule that you have to resort to "camera angles" or simply tight clothing. A few characters in a big roster of fighting games that seem "sexualized" in your eyes doesn't mean the game has a problem. Also, here is another question I've been meaning to ask. Even if this game was dead or alive tier nudity, how would that be such a bad thing? My girlfriend and sisters don't mind this type of stuff, and in fact love playing as Mileena from Mortal Kombat. You can claim anecdotal evidence all you want, but the point is that this is such a nonissue since female gamers who really care about games wouldn't care about the characters or how they dress, they would instead care if it's fun. This is the thing I've been seeing lately that instead of gamers having fun with different games, people have to bring politics into things and dictate whether this or that is bad.
Now I think I should stop commenting since the mods will probably ban me for trying to "derail" the thread, even though I'm not trying to do that.
Seeing that comparison of the male characters definitely does make it clear the direction they were going with their female characters.Paul "beefiest daddy" Phoenix has a similiar intro pose (1:01 in the video) but the camera works for him is totally different
Why aren't they focusing on those massive hands pounding while his beefy goods "happen" to be in frame? /s
We all know why there's a clear difference here. (Also the hands+cleavage shot is also used as one of the opening shots of a promotional trailer in the PS Store. Let's not act like they don't know what they are doing here.)
Going back to Katarina... The very first intro animation in the video speaks for itself
"b-but it's not a close up on her tits!"
Ugh...
Your favorite game is political. And the fact that you can't see that reflects more on you as a person than on the medium itself which is full of political as hell messaging and morals. Sidenote:As the medium grows up, so does the discussion surrounding it. Honestly the "realfemalegamers™ don't care" is so incredibly asinine and immature. Like how the goal post has moved from "these games feature ZERO sexualization" to "well these examples are only a little bit, you need help if you think otherwise"This is the thing I've been seeing lately that instead of gamers having fun with different games, people have to bring politics into things and dictate whether this or that is bad.