Television Displays and Technology Thread: The ERA of OLED is Now

GearDraxon · Nov 19, 2017

I think it's pretty simple: OLED is clearly the best picture quality currently available, and is also pricey. Because of that, potential purchasers are excited about it, and going to be concerned about issues like burn-in, especially when it seems to be more sporadic than it was in the days of plasma. I've had plasmas for the last decade, and sold them for years before that, and it was pretty simple: mix up the content you're viewing, use a pixel orbiter/shifter if it was available, etc. and you'd be at low risk. The concern is that multiple people (in this thread) have gotten burn-in while being cognizant of the problem.

Nobody is saying that it shows up after 10 minutes, and nobody is "ignoring" those who have had no burn-in issues - I think everyone is glad to hear as many experiences as possible! Given that we're on a forum that focuses on content that is more likely to cause the problem, we're going to weigh the concerns a bit more heavily. I'm sure CNBC-ERA is doing the same. ;)

Personally? I stuck with plasma way after it was a dead-end, because I love the black levels. After years of worrying if this gaming session is going to be the one that burns something in, of seeing stuff like the Odyssey coin count or the Monday Night Combat HUD appear for days/weeks afterwards, I'm ok with giving up some picture quality. (As an aside, the review of the plasma that I currently have is still up on Rtings - it looks like the black levels of something like the X900E are actually lower than my old plasma.)

The Breadman09 · Nov 19, 2017

Punished Goku said:
Man you guys are tempting me to get one of Lg OLEDS rather than th Sony X930E, but I'm worried about the burn in/image retention.

If you can pony up the additional $300 for a 2 year warranty, or $500 for the 5 year, then the oled may be a viable option. If you game , or watch broadcast tv, it's not a matter of if, but when you will get burn in. Best Buy warranty's do cover burn in. That being said, the 930e is much better gaming tv. No burn in worries, input lag about the same , and and absolutely stunning game mode. Especially for hdr gaming . It's a shame that Lg has gimped their hdr game modes . Sure you can use technicolor , or another hdr mode , outside of the game mode . But then your looking at close to 60ms input lag .

If you mainly watch 4k movies , Apple TV, and occasionally game, the oled is most definitely the way to go . But if you game quite a bit, absolutely buy the warranty , or get the 930e. Surprisingly , the 930e , especially with bias lighting, is pretty close to the oled for movies. It throws an amazing picture, and it has a much better scaler than the lg sets, if your source isn't 4k. Both are great sets though . I'm picking up a 65inch b7 this week for my movie room, and will continue to use my 930e for gaming on the Xbox x (which looks amazing in 4k hdr )

Me_Marcadet · Nov 19, 2017

Tratorn said:
Great, thanks for that answer.
I bought the LG 55B7 for 1500€ now from Amazon.de. Still a bit worried about burn-in, but I just couldn't resist at that price and all those great (user) reviews.

Thanks for the info, I just bought the TV too.
I'm in France and there's no way I will find it at that price this week. Best I could find was 2000 euros.
I hope the fact it is a German used in France will cause no issue.

I also realized that my pc will not be 4k ready... I have a 5850 with hdmi 1.3 or 1.4
The 4k upgrade is a pain, you need to upgrade everything and you're not even sure it will last.

What's the best and cheapest device to display 4k hdr content? I have a ps4 pro already, I read the shield doesn't support DV... Is there anything like the shield or do I need to build a new HTPC?

Between buying a HTPC, a Xbox one X, a new receiver and the actual set, the 4k world is very costly.

Sanctuary · Nov 19, 2017

holygeesus said:
I'm with you 100%. People seem too quick to believe all the stories of burn-in they see, yet ignore those of us saying we have no issues.

In some cases, people have actually had bad experiences with burn in when everyone around them kept claiming it wasn't an issue anymore. A healthy skepticism is generally good, but even I would agree that a lot of the worrying is a bit overblown. Like I said previously, with a little care, it shouldn't be something that will be much of an issue at all. Spending $1,500+ on a TV isn't really "cheap" for most, but IMO it's worth the risk if you care about picture quality. OLEDs are king right now in that regard.

The LG Chess demo is outstanding.
http://4kmedia.org/lg-chess-hdr-demo/

Those demos are both eye-opening and utterly infuriating right now since they show what the TVs are capable of, yet most UHDs (and especially streaming) look absolutely nothing like that since they are just 1080p upscaled to 4K right now. There are a few UHDs out there that are native 4K (Planet Earth 2 being one of them, and it looks glorious), but for now they are really rare.

GearDraxon said:
Personally? I stuck with plasma way after it was a dead-end, because I love the black levels. After years of worrying if this gaming session is going to be the one that burns something in, of seeing stuff like the Odyssey coin count or the Monday Night Combat HUD appear for days/weeks afterwards, I'm ok with giving up some picture quality. (As an aside, the review of the plasma that I currently have is still up on Rtings - it looks like the black levels of something like the X900E are actually lower than my old plasma.)

Funny thing for me is that I upgraded from my plasma for my primary TV because a) I was getting some really noticeable flicker with certain flesh tones, and just assumed that my then seven year old set was finally on its last legs b) the black levels on my Panasonic had definitely risen over what they were the first few years I had it and c) I had been waiting for OLEDs to actually come down to a more reasonable price and got a "good deal" (at the time anyway) on my B6.

I had eagerly been anticipating the tech once the news that Panasonic was out of the plasma game, and the advantages (and disadvantages) of OLED were relatively common knowledge. I honestly can't say if the black levels of my plasma were anywhere close to my B6 when it was new. I want to say: not even close, and I considered them great too. Now though, it's hilarious. Partially due to the rise in black level, but my once "good" plasma looks like a washed out LCD in comparison.

For a while too, I didn't believe I needed larger than a 42'', and that if I wanted a slightly more immersive experience, I could just sit closer. Good lord. Simply going to only a 55'' is a massive improvement all around, and I think in 2019 or 2020 I'll get a 65''.

CrimsonEclipse · Nov 19, 2017

The Breadman09 said:
If you can pony up the additional $300 for a 2 year warranty, or $500 for the 5 year, then the oled may be a viable option. If you game , or watch broadcast tv, it's not a matter of if, but when you will get burn in. Best Buy warranty's do cover burn in. That being said, the 930e is much better gaming tv. No burn in worries, input lag about the same , and and absolutely stunning game mode. Especially for hdr gaming . It's a shame that Lg has gimped their hdr game modes . Sure you can use technicolor , or another hdr mode , outside of the game mode . But then your looking at close to 60ms input lag .

If you mainly watch 4k movies , Apple TV, and occasionally game, the oled is most definitely the way to go . But if you game quite a bit, absolutely buy the warranty , or get the 930e. Surprisingly , the 930e , especially with bias lighting, is pretty close to the oled for movies. It throws an amazing picture, and it has a much better scaler than the lg sets, if your source isn't 4k. Both are great sets though . I'm picking up a 65inch b7 this week for my movie room, and will continue to use my 930e for gaming on the Xbox x (which looks amazing in 4k hdr )

What does that mean? I've heard people talking about the game mode with hdr being too dim, why even use game mode when rtings show 21 ms even outside of game mode. Maybe something I'm not understanding/missing?

sketch_turntable · Nov 19, 2017

Does anyone have any advice for reducing the grain on Netflix Marvel shows? Do I need to turn the noise setting up or down or...?

Deleted member 152 · Nov 19, 2017

Is the LG OLED55B7V (55 inches) worth getting? It looks amazing and feel likes a perfect OLED TV to jump into for 4k and low gaming lag with good colors, etc.

Any opinions?

StuBurns · Nov 19, 2017

My C7 arrived today (basically the same TV), and it's extremely impressive. The picture is incredible, the UI is pretty simple and easy to get around.

I had a Bravia XD80 and the leap is staggering.

Aztechnology · Nov 19, 2017

For the LG B7A. Is it a problem for me that I sometimes play extended game sessions? ~5-8 hours on occasion (When I have time off, sometimes it can be a lot in that period). I also was considering using it for a PC monitor(primary or secondary screen depending) sounds like that's not a good idea? For my usage scenario this is starting to worry me. I thought these burn in issues we're largely non existent. But I forget most people with OLEDs probably mainly use them for short gaming sessions and shows/movies so it's not a problem.

The Breadman09 · Nov 19, 2017

CrimsonEclipse said:
What does that mean? I've heard people talking about the game mode with hdr being too dim, why even use game mode when rtings show 21 ms even outside of game mode. Maybe something I'm not understanding/missing?

21ms is in game mode . If you have an Xbox X , the majority of games going forward will be in hdr. The hdr game mode is extremely dim , although u can brighten some , turning on dynamic contrast . Comparing my buddies c7 to my 930e , I was shocked how dim the game mode is . I'm still getting for movies , but the 930e is perfect for gaming

Me_Marcadet · Nov 19, 2017

Zombie Fred said:
Is the LG OLED55B7V (55 inches) worth getting? It looks amazing and feel likes a perfect OLED TV to jump into for 4k and low gaming lag with good colors, etc.

Any opinions?

It is the most popular oled set and for good reasons.
The cheapest, the most responsive in both 4k and upscaled content.
Great reviews all around and lot of users feedback.

The only downside is the burn in and how you manage it.

Kudo · Nov 19, 2017

Zombie Fred said:
Is the LG OLED55B7V (55 inches) worth getting? It looks amazing and feel likes a perfect OLED TV to jump into for 4k and low gaming lag with good colors, etc.

Any opinions?

I don't think you can get much better than that currently, go for it.
Got it too and no regrets.

Aztechnology said:
For the LG B7A. Is it a problem for me that I sometimes pkay extended game sessions? Iike 5-8 hours on occasion (When I have time off, sometimes it can be a lot in that period). I also was considering using it for a PC monitor(primary or secondary screen depending) sounds like that's not a good idea? For my usage scenario this is starting to worry me. I thought these burn in issues we're largely non existent. But I forget most people with OLEDs probably mainly use them for short gaming sessions and shows/movies so it's not a problem.

Long gaming sessions, not a problem for me and I haven't even seen IR after playing for countless of hours.
PC monitor use I'd avoid, browser and taskbar will likely be bad for the screen. I have it connected to my PC too but only turn it on for games.

Sanctuary · Nov 19, 2017

Zombie Fred said:
Is the LG OLED55B7V (55 inches) worth getting? It looks amazing and feel likes a perfect OLED TV to jump into for 4k and low gaming lag with good colors, etc.

Any opinions?

Unless a silver trim will annoy you, yes.

sketch_turntable said:
Does anyone have any advice for reducing the grain on Netflix Marvel shows? Do I need to turn the noise setting up or down or...?

I just ended up dealing with it. I don't like having to adjust my TV settings (other than 1-2 clicks of the brightness or the obvious picture mode switch) based on the content I'm watching. I guess just try the noise reduction and see if it helps, but it just seems like an issue with film grain and streaming at a much lower than native bitrate. Breaking Bad and to a lesser extent The Walking Dead are really bad for this via streaming.

Chumley · Nov 19, 2017

I was really hoping the 65e7's might come down to 2500 but 3000 seems like the lowest its going.

Aztechnology · Nov 19, 2017

Kudo said:
I don't think you can get much better than that currently, go for it.
Got it too and no regrets.

Long gaming sessions, not a problem for me and I haven't even seen IR after playing for countless of hours.
PC monitor use I'd avoid, browser and taskbar will likely be bad for the screen. I have it connected to my PC too but only turn it on for games.

Alright we'll both monitors stay then. Can't live with the reduced workflow/enjoyment only having one monitor brings. One of mine is in for repairs and it's killing me. Was hoping to consolidate a bit, and put one of the monitors sell price towards the OLED in the end.

As far as gaming on it. Anyone with a PC tried out supersampling from 1440p and then playing games at 1080p@120hz? I care about framerate more than resolution typically.

Chumley said:
I was really hoping the 65e7's might come down to 2500 but 3000 seems like the lowest its going.

Where are you located?

Kudo · Nov 19, 2017

Aztechnology said:
Alright we'll both monitors stay then. Can't live with the reduced workflow/enjoyment only having one monitor brings. One of mine is in for repairs and it's killing me. Was hoping to consolidate a bit, and put one of the monitors sell price towards the OLED in the end.

As far as gaming on it. Anyone with a PC tried out supersampling from 1440p and then playing games at 1080p@120hz? I care about framerate more than resolution typically.

Definitely leave both monitors for work etc.
As for 1080p@120hz, it looks beautiful and Destiny 2 with higher render scale works great, given you have the GPU to run 120Hz stable I don't see any issues with it so far.

Hydrus · Nov 19, 2017

Hope someone can help me with these noob questions:

Is there any differences between a 65inch vs 75inch in terms of picture quality/ performance, especially when it comes to gaming?
So LED's dont have burn in issues?
I really want an OLED, but it's too pricey for me right now to purchase a 55inch or 65inch. I would rather purchase a large 75inch LED. What is currently the best, affordable one on the market ( up too $2000 grand)?

Thanks in advance

DigitalOp · Nov 19, 2017

Does anyone feel that there are some TVs that would be better value for a small room rather than getting a bigger size monitor? 4K pref
bonus for a PC to look good on it too.

CrimsonEclipse · Nov 19, 2017

Hydrus said:
Hope someone can help me with these noob questions:

Is there any differences between a 65inch vs 75inch in terms of picture quality/ performance, especially when it comes to gaming?

So LED's dont have burn in issues?

I really want an OLED, but it's too pricey for me right now to purchase a 55inch or 65inch. I would rather purchase a large 75inch LED. What is currently the best, affordable one on the market ( up too $2000 grand)?

Thanks in advance

Take my words with a grain of salt as I'm no TV expert and still trying to figure out certain things but I'll try to answer you:

1) No, there shouldn't be any difference between screen size since the panels should be the same, you'll probably notice more details (?) on a larger screen than a smaller one due to the increase in size but then your ppi (pixel per inch) density will decrease as you go up in size. Just make sure to have amble viewing distance based on the size.

2) LCD do not have burn-in, there may have been extremely EXTREMELY rare instances with LCD/LED tv's getting burn-in, but you'll find it difficult to find someone who had an LCD with burn-in.

3) Not sure what's best here are some links from BB within your budget:

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/search...ore^currentprice_facet=Price~$2000 - $2499.99

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/search...ore^currentprice_facet=Price~$1500 - $1999.99

Hope that helps!

futurevoid · Nov 19, 2017

Chumley said:
225 hours is insane, so I guess its possible. I'll never get anywhere near that of one game on this TV. Generally I think people who play games that much should be getting a different TV, I use mine 90 percent for movies and TV.

The bigger issue I see isn't the amount of hours in the game. The OLED light being left at 95 is more problematic. A properly calibrated SDR mode (even game) would usually land in the 35-40. High OLED light setting and hundreds of hours of use in one title...yeah that doesn't sound like a good recipe. It sucks as you hate to see it happen.

I've had the B6 for quite some time and the worst I get is temporary IR when I've watched a 2:35 aspect ratio film in HDR. It leaves a faint hint of the black bars that disappears pretty quickly. I've games on it for more hours than a I care to admit.

Sanctuary · Nov 19, 2017

futurevoid said:
The bigger issue I see isn't the amount of hours in the game. The OLED light being left at 95 is more problematic. A properly calibrated SDR mode (even game) would usually land in the 35-40. High OLED light setting and hundreds of hours of use in one title...yeah that doesn't sound like a good recipe. It sucks as you hate to see it happen.

I have mine set to 40 for SDR/Dark viewing, but a lot of people are suggesting that you leave the OLED back light at its default when viewing HDR content. Default for me was 100, which is much too high to game with. I just ended up lowering mine to 50 for HDR gaming. Otherwise, my eyes get extremely irritated after just a few hours.

Apharmd said:
It's in the source, it's a stylistic choice. I like film grain but I think like Punisher for instance overdoes it a little.

Otherwise the show looks phenomenal in Dolby Vision!

As long as they aren't outside, showing a sunny blue sky. Yuck. Total blizzard.

PhilouFelin · Nov 19, 2017

Seems like I could get a 55" LG C7 or a 65" Sony 900E for about the same price (100$ less for the Sony). Which one would you guys choose?

It'll be mainly for gaming (PS4 Pro, Xbox One X, Switch) and for Netflix. And some UHD movies.

Deleted member 4346 · Nov 19, 2017

sketch_turntable said:
Does anyone have any advice for reducing the grain on Netflix Marvel shows? Do I need to turn the noise setting up or down or...?

It's in the source, it's a stylistic choice. I like film grain but I think like Punisher for instance overdoes it a little.

Otherwise the show looks phenomenal in Dolby Vision!

Pizzamigo · Nov 19, 2017

sketch_turntable said:
Does anyone have any advice for reducing the grain on Netflix Marvel shows? Do I need to turn the noise setting up or down or...?

There's not much you can do about that, it's intentional. I hate it but whatever, you get used to it slightly. Just make sure you have your TV's sharpness set to the point where it's not adding artificial sharpness, on most sets I think it's 0, on some it's the halfway point.

The noise reduction features of your TV aren't going to help much with the intentional film grain that Marvel Netflix shows have. Just gotta not make it worse with artificial sharpening or edge enhancement features.

Aztechnology · Nov 19, 2017

PhilouFelin said:
Seems like I could get a 55" LG C7 or a 65" Sony 900E for about the same price (100$ less for the Sony). Which one would you guys choose?

It'll be mainly for gaming (PS4 Pro, Xbox One X, Switch) and for Netflix. And some UHD movies.

Personally, the OLED every time. Just that extra touch from the contrast, the lack of bleeding, motion clarity etc. Just trumps any LCD.

RoboPlato · Nov 19, 2017

Just bought an X900E and it's not letting me display 4K/HDR. I have HDMI Enhanced Color on and am using the HDMI cable that came with the Pro so it should support it. It'll display in 4K at 60Hz or 1080p with HDR.

III-V · Nov 19, 2017

RoboPlato said:
Just bought an X900E and it's not letting me display 4K/HDR. I have HDMI Enhanced Color on and am using the HDMI cable that came with the Pro so it should support it. It'll display in 4K at 60Hz or 1080p with HDR.

Make sure you are on HDMI 2 or 3

RoboPlato · Nov 19, 2017

III-V said:
Make sure you are on HDMI 2 or 3

I'm on 2 and tried 3

rashbeep · Nov 19, 2017

PhilouFelin said:
Seems like I could get a 55" LG C7 or a 65" Sony 900E for about the same price (100$ less for the Sony). Which one would you guys choose?

It'll be mainly for gaming (PS4 Pro, Xbox One X, Switch) and for Netflix. And some UHD movies.

may depend how far you are sitting

closer than 8ft i would go for the oled

III-V · Nov 19, 2017

Something is preventing it. swap cables, double check that you were able to enable HDMI enhanced color. The PS4 also needs updated settings, but I am sure you know this. If all else fails, unplug HDMI cable from monitor, shut down PS4. Then reboot PS4 and replace HDMI cable. You are somehow failing the EDID handshake is my guess.

Put the PS4 settings on all auto. Same with the set.

Hydrus · Nov 19, 2017

CrimsonEclipse said:
Hope that helps!

Thank you! That helps a ton.

Creepy Woody · Nov 19, 2017

Kyoufu said:
You can't have OLED without the possibility of burn in or image retention.

When I say "without", I mean come up with some solution which at least decreases the chances, which they will most certainly do.
2.1 comes out next year, will probably implement them into 2nd or 3rd gen sets.

holygeesus said:
It's only a TV at the end of the day. I literally have no idea why people 'baby' their sets so much. Buy one, buy insurance if you must, then use and enjoy it without worrying about what might happen. It's a piece of technology not one of your kids.

It's a $3000+ piece of equipment which isn't always covered by certain factors under warranty. Maybe $3000 isn't a lot to you? Very lucky man.

Also where did I say anything about babying my tv? I'm just waiting for them to implement up coming features in their newer sets before I get one lol

GearDraxon · Nov 19, 2017

Sanctuary said:
Funny thing for me is that I upgraded from my plasma for my primary TV because a) I was getting some really noticeable flicker with certain flesh tones, and just assumed that my then seven year old set was finally on its last legs b) the black levels on my Panasonic had definitely risen over what they were the first few years I had it and c) I had been waiting for OLEDs to actually come down to a more reasonable price and got a "good deal" (at the time anyway) on my B6.

Yuuuup. Depending on which Panny you had (I had a G10, I believe), the sets were designed to elevate the black levels after a certain number of usage hours. When people found out about it, it was a RIOT over at AVSForum. I ended up following a guide and hooking up a Arduino up to the service port, reseting the clock to 0, and getting my original black level back. :)

Interestingly, both the G10 (when new) and my current Samsung plasma test at about .03 cd/m², the Panasonic ST10 was .011, and the X900E is between .015 and .018. The OLEDs are all at zero, so your eyes aren't deceiving you: as good as the plasmas (especially the last models) were, OLED is quite a bit better.

Haze · Nov 19, 2017

PhilouFelin said:
Seems like I could get a 55" LG C7 or a 65" Sony 900E for about the same price (100$ less for the Sony). Which one would you guys choose?

It'll be mainly for gaming (PS4 Pro, Xbox One X, Switch) and for Netflix. And some UHD movies.

I agree 100% with the other poster. Go for the OLED unless you're sitting far away.

MannyTV_ · Nov 19, 2017

B7 is $1500 right now on bestbuy.com. You guys think the price will drop more here in the next few days?

PhilouFelin · Nov 19, 2017

Aztechnology said:
Personally, the OLED every time. Just that extra touch from the contrast, the lack of bleeding, motion clarity etc. Just trumps any LCD.

rashbeep said:
may depend how far you are sitting

closer than 8ft i would go for the oled

Clusterdreams said:
I agree 100% with the other poster. Go for the OLED unless you're sitting far away.

Thanks for your inputs. We'll actually sit at about 7-8 feet. I guess I'll go with the OLED (I've heard so much about OLEDs here), but then again I'll just pick it up tomorrow, so I'll probably think about it until then.

The Breadman09 said:
65" every time , unless your only sitting 5 for from tv . Get some bias lights , black levels will look amazing , no burn in worries , no dim hdr game mode , and a much more immersive experience

Damn it, just when I thought my choice was about to be made. :P

The Breadman09 · Nov 19, 2017

PhilouFelin said:
Seems like I could get a 55" LG C7 or a 65" Sony 900E for about the same price (100$ less for the Sony). Which one would you guys choose?

It'll be mainly for gaming (PS4 Pro, Xbox One X, Switch) and for Netflix. And some UHD movies.

65" every time , unless your only sitting 5 for from tv . Get some bias lights , black levels will look amazing , no burn in worries , no dim hdr game mode , and a much more immersive experience

Pizzamigo · Nov 19, 2017

The Breadman09 said:
65" every time , unless your only sitting 5 for from tv . Get some bias lights , black levels will look amazing , no burn in worries , no dim hdr game mode , and a much more immersive experience

I agree, that's way too big of a size difference. At 8' away, id go with the 65" instead. If he was sitting closer I'd say maybe the 55", but between both of these sets I think the 10" difference is too much to ignore. You won't ever say "aw I wish I went smaller" but you will regret not going big enough when you could. It's not like the Sony is a bad TV either, so me personally I'd go with the 65" in this decision.

mjc · Nov 19, 2017

PhilouFelin said:
Seems like I could get a 55" LG C7 or a 65" Sony 900E for about the same price (100$ less for the Sony). Which one would you guys choose?

It'll be mainly for gaming (PS4 Pro, Xbox One X, Switch) and for Netflix. And some UHD movies.

Go big or go home.

Jeremiah · Nov 19, 2017

PhilouFelin said:
Thanks for your inputs. We'll actually sit at about 7-8 feet. I guess I'll go with the OLED (I've heard so much about OLEDs here), but then again I'll just pick it up tomorrow, so I'll probably think about it until then.

Damn it, just when I thought my choice was about to be made. :P

As much as I love OLED, 55 inches @ 7-8 feet away would feel too small for me. I propose moving closer, to 5-6 feet, and getting the OLED :P

Xavillin · Nov 19, 2017

Any great 4KHDR for <$600 this Black Friday? I currently have a Hisense 4KTV from 2015 (no HDR), and it's not that great. Native 60FPS games like Kingdom Hearts run <30FPS even on Game Mode.

Parisi · Nov 19, 2017

So, I know I mentioned that I was going to go with the X900 Sony, but after reading reviews and speaking to friends who have th LG OLED C7 model TV, I think I am going to go that route, but speaking to another friend tonight and he told me I should wait for HDMI 2.1. My concern with waiting is that that's all I am ever going to be doing, waiting. Each year I'll be ready to pull the trigger and I'll read an article about how 4k or HDR is great, but the new crop of TV's will be even better... its been like that for the last 2-3 years for me.

Anyone else really looking at holding off until HDMI 2.1 is out??

ShinAmano · Nov 19, 2017

Really random question...i have a Panasonic vt60 and I recently took it off the wall and put it on the stand...problem is I can't find the bolts. (Going to call Panasonic on Monday)

Anyhow anyone happen to know what size bolt I need?

SP. · Nov 19, 2017

Xavillin said:
Any great 4KHDR for <$600 this Black Friday? I currently have a Hisense 4KTV from 2015 (no HDR), and it's not that great. Native 60FPS games like Kingdom Hearts run <30FPS even on Game Mode.

You'll want to go with the TCL P series, definitely the best TV at that price range. The Best Buy model is $600 right now (55P605), and the Amazon version (55P607) is $650. Only difference is the Amazon one has a voice enabled remote. I also wouldn't expect these to drop any in price over the holidays.

Aztechnology · Nov 19, 2017

Xavillin said:
Any great 4KHDR for <$600 this Black Friday? I currently have a Hisense 4KTV from 2015 (no HDR), and it's not that great. Native 60FPS games like Kingdom Hearts run <30FPS even on Game Mode.

At that price range, you're definitely looking at the TCL P607. Or if you lived near me (Eastern Washington) my 55" KS8000 I'm trying to sell XD lol.

PhilouFelin · Nov 19, 2017

Gn0mercy said:
As much as I love OLED, 55 inches @ 7-8 feet away would feel too small for me. I propose moving closer, to 5-6 feet, and getting the OLED :P

That's...a possibility I guess !! :P

One thing I haven't written is that I currently have a 1080p 40", so even at 55" it would be quite an upgrade. Though I suppose you quickly get accustomed to the screen size and always wish for more.

Another thing is my gf will probably freak out if I buy a 65" TV lol. She'll think it's way over the top (even though it's actually a 100$ cheaper). She isn't really a "tech enthusiast" if I may...

Jeremiah · Nov 19, 2017

Parisi said:
So, I know I mentioned that I was going to go with the X900 Sony, but after reading reviews and speaking to friends who have th LG OLED C7 model TV, I think I am going to go that route, but speaking to another friend tonight and he told me I should wait for HDMI 2.1. My concern with waiting is that that's all I am ever going to be doing, waiting. Each year I'll be ready to pull the trigger and I'll read an article about how 4k or HDR is great, but the new crop of TV's will be even better... its been like that for the last 2-3 years for me.

Anyone else really looking at holding off until HDMI 2.1 is out??

Do you have existing AV gear that needs to be bought/replaced as wel? What's your current TV? How long do you plan on keeping your TV once you buy it?

A few things to consider:

The main gaming advantages to HDMI 2.1 is 4k@120hz and variable refresh rate. Current gen consoles (aside from 1X) are not going to make much use of the 2.1 feature set. Graphics cards with HDMI 2.1 don't exist yet.

RoboPlato · Nov 19, 2017

Turning off and on my TV fixed the HDR issue LOL

I just was trying to fix it for a couple hours. D'oh

CrimsonEclipse · Nov 19, 2017

Question!

I started looking into this dim HDR game mode on the OLEDs. I'm a huge gamer and with having a Pro and Xbox One X I kinda want whats best for gaming in HDR 1st, followed by movies 2nd...don't watch a lot of TV besides some Netflix/Hulu here and there. Anyway, Still kinda leading towards the OLEDs, and curious...are all OLEDs currently affected by the dim HDR mode or is it just the 2016 models?

Can anyone with a C7/B7 confirm have this issues as well?

I really really dislike light bleed/clouding on LCD's but might push me to the 930e (my understanding that's not much of an issue on 930e because of the backlight+ Drive tech) unless I'm just overthinking all of this way too much.

Nothing · Nov 19, 2017

[QUOTE="The Breadman09 said:
Been reading stories like this over at AVS Forum , so have to disagree with you.

Welp, 2016 LG 65E6P owner here. I've loved this TV, but just noticed burn-in which I believe to likely be permanent as of last night.

I don't consider my use at all abusive. The main culprit seems to be Zelda: Breath of the Wild, which for anyone familiar with the game, displays red hearts (your life bar) in the upper left corner 95% of the time the game is running. There are only a few scenarios where these disappear briefly. It's also got a temperature guage in the lower right corner with a small bit of orange that I believe is also showing. This is quite visible on red and yellow backgrounds especially, with some visibility on blue. Not visible at all on bright whites.

While I had initially read that burn-in was not MUCH of an issue with these sets, I have been very careful with it. My Zelda play was probably 2-3 hours a day most days of the week, with PLENTY of content (movies, TV shows, anime, news, other games) running in between. Honestly, I never expected my use, since I varied content in between and it did the cleanup cycles each night, to be high-risk. There were rarely if ever days when I'd ONLY play Zelda and not have at least a few hours of TV on the screen, and most days I'd say the TV playback of other content outweighed the gameplay by quite a lot. I'd never ever leave images completely paused on the screen, etc., but obviously since those elements don't move regardless, it was more of an issue than I realized.

I'd be lying if I said I'm not upset about this, but I also don't have much recourse. At this point (I noticed not having played in a couple weeks, though I'm not finished with everything in the game yet), I'm expecting this to be permanent, though I have some small hope it'll get a bit better over time, especially when I'm finished with Zelda altogether. In the meantime, I guess I'll just keep using it as normal and end up replacing the TV sooner than planned. I don't see NOT using the TV the way I want, especially when I consider it reasonable, as much of an option. This might be enough to make me reconsider OLED next time, even though the picture it gives me is fantastic and I've loved the set overall.

I honestly wouldn't consider a few hours of gaming daily outside of normal use, though, and this definitely needs to be addressed in future models.

thank you. this testimonial is actually really helpful with my current decision-making process. sorry to hear about your troubles.

Yung Coconut said:
I've had my LG B6 over a year now. I play a ton of Overwatch daily and lots of other games on it. It gets used for Hulu, Netflix, cable (news, sports) etc when I'm not even home.

It gets used a ton. Not a single sight of burn-in ever on the set. I call bs on there being any significant burn-in issues with LG sets.

since you haven't experienced burn-in issues then they don't exist, huh?

CrimsonEclipse said:
If true, I have good news for you. I was at Best Buy today was told by the Sony rep who was trying his hardest that you'll get burn-in on an OLED LG within 25 mins of a static logo on screen, they'll be on sale.

He mentioned that the 930e will be on sale for 1499.99 (55") starting tomorrow thru Black Friday. So be on the lookout at Best Buy. With that being said, I still can't decide C7/930e both sets looked good. 930e so nice and bright, but I noticed blooming/grayish black bars in some scenes.

Still concerned about dimness on the OLED and peak brightness. Also, burn-in...not based on the rep, he's trying to sell the Sony LCD's wonder if he'd say the same about Sony OLEDs.

Never thought buying a 4K tv would be this daunting.

yeah, it's frightening. I think the 900e is the way to go. As possibly a temporary, but sizable, upgrade.

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