Balanced in hearthstone doesn't mean actual balance. It means there are equal levels of rock, paper and scissors in the meta.
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And that at least 60-70% of these rock, paper or scissor decks are made up of non-Basic or Classic cards!
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https://www.vicioussyndicate.com/vs-data-reaper-report-101/
Tier 1:
Odd Rogue
Even Warlock
Even Shaman
Deathrattle Hunter
Spell Hunter
Token Druid
Control Warlock
Big Druid
Zoo Warlock
Odd Paladin
Big-Spell Mage
Tier 2:
Malygos Druid
Deathrattle Rogue
Odd Warrior
Midrange Shaman
Tier 3:
Aluneth Mage
Togwaggle Druid
Mech Paladin
Tier 4:
Shudderwock Shaman
Control Warrior
Miracle Rogue
Mech Hunter
Mecha'thun Priest
Combo Priest
Tier 1:
Odd Rogue
Even Warlock
Even Shaman
Deathrattle Hunter
Spell Hunter
Token Druid
Control Warlock
Big Druid
Zoo Warlock
Odd Paladin
Big-Spell Mage
Tier 2:
Malygos Druid
Deathrattle Rogue
Odd Warrior
Midrange Shaman
Tier 3:
Aluneth Mage
Togwaggle Druid
Mech Paladin
Tier 4:
Shudderwock Shaman
Control Warrior
Miracle Rogue
Mech Hunter
Mecha'thun Priest
Combo Priest
Maly Druid in tier 2 seems wrong but that is just a gut feeling and BSM actually seems terrible rn.
There's so many decks where fatigue isn't even a wincon.
There's so many decks where fatigue isn't even a wincon.
I really like spell hunter right now, I think it can beat everything. It's quite hard to play though so it's never very popular. Like egg hunter is just super easy play so it's usually more popular.
malygos druid is relatively hard to play when there is a lot of hate for it right now with every warlock deck so I'm not surprised. I won a game against this control warlock, he basically got every hit he could have and emoted the hell and back, I still won because I played azalina and got his entire hand lol. Definitely recommend playing Azalina, you don't need togwaggle. It's just good in druid. I think it has a lot of utility right now, you can steal a buffed kingsbane for example or crystal core, these are probably some of the worse match up and Azalina just wins it for you, nobody plays around it in druid. You can use that ramp in more than one way. just using malygos to win is not working most of the time.
malygos druid is relatively hard to play when there is a lot of hate for it right now with every warlock deck so I'm not surprised. I won a game against this control warlock, he basically got every hit he could have and emoted the hell and back, I still won because I played azalina and got his entire hand lol. Definitely recommend playing Azalina, you don't need togwaggle. It's just good in druid. I think it has a lot of utility right now, you can steal a buffed kingsbane for example or crystal core, these are probably some of the worse match up and Azalina just wins it for you, nobody plays around it in druid. You can use that ramp in more than one way. just using malygos to win is not working most of the time.
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Yeah I don't think I've ever understood how to play spell hunter, because I lose like every damn game. Maly druid isn't too bad though.
I do want to craft Azalina, but I don't see it ever winning a Kingsbane game. It's so rare to just have the weapon in your hand and not equipped. Other games for sure though.
Turn 2 against priest. Gnomeferatu hits mechathun. But an attempt to demonic project his Amara actually gave him Amara plus jaraxxus.
Still won, but it was close.
Still won, but it was close.
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So my first thought right now is that combo decks - toggwaggle, Malygos, Mech'thun are barely 15% of the Legend meta at this point and under 10% of the All ranks meta.
Meanwhile lots of folks are complaining about combo dominating this meta.
So I'm wondering if these are just "feelsbad" impressions from losing to combo or week 1 impressions from people testing out new cards.
I suppose were in the stage where it is too early to say. I've been grinding out a few games a night at rank 4 and I've yet to see a zoolock or combo deck for what that's worth.
Meanwhile lots of folks are complaining about combo dominating this meta.
So I'm wondering if these are just "feelsbad" impressions from losing to combo or week 1 impressions from people testing out new cards.
I suppose were in the stage where it is too early to say. I've been grinding out a few games a night at rank 4 and I've yet to see a zoolock or combo deck for what that's worth.
With those druid decks, I think it's not that people see them non stop, it's mostly because it's just so damn boring to play against.
Azalina is a really good card right now. It's benefitted greatly from the recent hand/deck copying changes.
I guess it might just be me realizing the utility of refilling your hand when playing control or getting a shot at a useful hand when your hand has been getting too full of duds.
EDIT: I think the combo hate right now is mostly from any deck that isn't aggro (and isn't Warlock) where you're usually guaranteed to lose unless your opponent screws up. When you queue against a Shudderwock deck you're actually sort of happy since you can actually play it out and have a ~33% chance to still win once Shudderwock comes down, even higher if you use Azalina in your deck. Other combo decks are way more oppressive.
I'm honestly not sure what I would change about this meta. It is pretty rock-paper-scissors currently but overall I feel like there are a lot of fun decks that are viable for climbing ladder. I'm mostly disappointed more new cards aren't seeing a ton of use, though I'm thinking that could change quickly.
I guess it might just be me realizing the utility of refilling your hand when playing control or getting a shot at a useful hand when your hand has been getting too full of duds.
EDIT: I think the combo hate right now is mostly from any deck that isn't aggro (and isn't Warlock) where you're usually guaranteed to lose unless your opponent screws up. When you queue against a Shudderwock deck you're actually sort of happy since you can actually play it out and have a ~33% chance to still win once Shudderwock comes down, even higher if you use Azalina in your deck. Other combo decks are way more oppressive.
I'm honestly not sure what I would change about this meta. It is pretty rock-paper-scissors currently but overall I feel like there are a lot of fun decks that are viable for climbing ladder. I'm mostly disappointed more new cards aren't seeing a ton of use, though I'm thinking that could change quickly.
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Players in Hearthstone HATE combo decks it seems to me. For whatever reason, despite them being virtually identical to other card games where they play non-interactive and kill you in one turn, people seem to say they are worse in Hearthstone. I don't really agree, but that's what the argument seems to be.
IMO, the combo stuff is healthy for the game and is there to punish the players that make super greedy control decks (and lots of Hearthstone control v control matchups are about being greedy). So I'm all for combo decks like Togwaggle, Malygos, or whatever.
If people think they have it bad here, go play some Magic. Holy hell the amount of combos there is insane. Aggro is much stronger there as well, and yet in their recent tournament a non-interactive combo/control deck was the big standout.
IMO, the combo stuff is healthy for the game and is there to punish the players that make super greedy control decks (and lots of Hearthstone control v control matchups are about being greedy). So I'm all for combo decks like Togwaggle, Malygos, or whatever.
If people think they have it bad here, go play some Magic. Holy hell the amount of combos there is insane. Aggro is much stronger there as well, and yet in their recent tournament a non-interactive combo/control deck was the big standout.
In other card games you can interrupt. Especially in magic. Just play blue and good luck with your super greedy combos. The issue with druid combos right now is that they are way to easy to pull off. And you cannot rush the druid down due to spreading plague and 1000000000 armor. Combo decks that got nerfed in Hearthstone in the past where not nearly as oppressive as druid right now.
If you're sitting alone in front of the computer, you feel the lack of interactivity a lot more plainly than if you were playing a real card game while chatting with the person opposite of you or next to you. Even then you have cases like Brian "Brian Kibler" Kibler getting up and leaving during a Magic tournament as his opponent plays out his combo, which is actually a stronger reaction than the same Brian "Brian Kibler" Kibler's showed towards Quest Rogue.
The other problem is that currently in Hearthstone a good portion of the combo decks not only punish greedy control decks but are also better at dealing with aggro than most traditional mid-range decks, pushing those out of play as well.
In Destiny you can do hand disruption to discard combo pieces, and there is at least one character that literally lets you call card costs and pull combo parts out of hands.
Yo, hope everyone's doing alright.
I'll be quick. #BadassWomenOfHearthstone , setup in honor of the late ToastTheBadger, are having a community driven fundraiser and tournament for female Hearthstone players and - being community driven - the prize pool is...also community driven xD Basically more details are available at the link here but if people could share it on social media etc to raise awareness it'd be a huge help.
Also mods, sorry if this is against any posting guidelines. It's not asking for donations to an individual and has support from casters like L0rinda and people from the HS dev team have said good luck too.
Peace out!
I'll be quick. #BadassWomenOfHearthstone , setup in honor of the late ToastTheBadger, are having a community driven fundraiser and tournament for female Hearthstone players and - being community driven - the prize pool is...also community driven xD Basically more details are available at the link here but if people could share it on social media etc to raise awareness it'd be a huge help.
Also mods, sorry if this is against any posting guidelines. It's not asking for donations to an individual and has support from casters like L0rinda and people from the HS dev team have said good luck too.
Peace out!
its because the druid deck is basically a control deck that happened to have combo
just like renolock with leeroy back then
WTF I pinged my giggling inventor and it didn't give me water elemental
I had 7 minions on board including giggling and 2 taunts, and I pinged the 2/1 and it should've given me water elemental.
edit: here turn 16 https://hsreplay.net/replay/ncge6EN9LJVaCLsFEr43UA
I had 7 minions on board including giggling and 2 taunts, and I pinged the 2/1 and it should've given me water elemental.
edit: here turn 16 https://hsreplay.net/replay/ncge6EN9LJVaCLsFEr43UA
It's been like that for a while. Ping with full board and you get nothing.
the crazy part is druid can play both togwaggle and maly combo, since either combo takes up so little space.
Interesting. So it's mostly the same across the board, except a lot more concentration in the top 3 classes.
Hovered around Rank 6-7 trying to get to rank 5 for the past two days, 90% of the opponents are playing odd pally or healock. Got fed up and started playing Shudderwock without any Boomsday cards and got to 5 within an hour.
Ladder sucks.
Ladder sucks.
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Can't play the new decks/cards I want to play to advance (Mech Warrior, Egg/Mech Hunter). The new expansion didn't change my ladder experience much, at least in the current ranks I'm at.
Forgot Mecha'Thun Priest was a thing. Was messing around with standard Kingsbane Rogue and had a 15 attack weapon, but it's not enough when they heal back up to 40HP from the quest reward and stall until they complete the combo.
6-0 With Token Druid in Brawl so far.
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Finished 12-2. Think I threw a game against zoo too, spellstoned the imp instead of the girl.
A lot of Egg Hunter at higher wins.
maybe try killing your opponent sometime.
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Finished 12-2. Think I threw a game against zoo too, spellstoned the imp instead of the girl.
A lot of Egg Hunter at higher wins.
maybe try killing your opponent sometime.
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Puzzle Labs comes out tomorrow! And there are 3 more packs awarded for logging in.
https://www.hearthstonetopdecks.com/guides/puzzle-lab-guide-release-date-experiments-card-back/
https://news.blizzard.com/en-us/hea...-puzzle-lab-with-giovanni-scarpati-and-max-ma
A run down of the puzzle types:
https://www.hearthstonetopdecks.com/guides/puzzle-lab-guide-release-date-experiments-card-back/
https://news.blizzard.com/en-us/hea...-puzzle-lab-with-giovanni-scarpati-and-max-ma
A run down of the puzzle types:
What's a Tracker? I'm supposed to defeat 10 enemies as a Tracker.
I stopped playing during the Mediv expansion. So coming back I'm completely lost
I stopped playing during the Mediv expansion. So coming back I'm completely lost
you're going to want to play the witchwood single player mode as tess
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