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Pooh

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Oct 25, 2017
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There's a bit more nuance to it than that and you're bright enough to differentiate.

Generally speaking, do we give a fuck about player safety and concussions or don't we? You can't claim to want the game to become safer but recoil when you see new rules designed to do just that. It's clear what their goal here is, despite this particular application of said rule being poor.

People should probably reflect on what is important to them in this equation.

If we cared about player safety and concussions we would outlaw tackle football. There's no way to play the game the way it is structured right now without the players being in danger of concussion injury. These rules are silly bandaids that can actually make the sorrys even more dangerous by making players try to play in an unnatural way.

So with that in mind, the only way to approach it is to make these players acutely aware of the dangers, and if they sign off, then OK -- you're gonna get hit. I'm not saying make it open season on helmet to helmet or whatever, but a tackle like that was literally a textbook tackle.
 

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I don't watch football but was curious about the topic so I clicked it. This new rule to do some arbitrary specific tackle on a quarterback is the dumbest shit and I can see it being grossly abused by both the refs and players . What a joke man. Like some have said, give the qbs flags to grab if they're that concerned about injuries .
 

OrdinaryPrime

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I don't watch football but was curious about the topic so I clicked it. This new rule to do some arbitrary specific tackle on a quarterback is the dumbest shit and I can see it being grossly abused by both the refs and players . What a joke man. Like some have said, give the qbs flags to grab if they're that concerned about injuries .

CTE isn't about individual hits though. As someone said earlier, it's a culmination of hits over the course of a career. Without changing the very nature of football, it won't be fixed. These types of penalties though just make the league look ridiculous. They won't do anything until youth and high school football is effective. And in certain parts of the country, that will never happen.
 

Burly

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Instead of tackling, what if just had the defensive line drop kick the QB in the chest? No head contact that way.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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This happened in the 49ers game last night. I don't know what the league is expecting players to do.


Thats the definition of a football tackle,
damn if its gonna be calls like that i'll be done with the NFL for good.

Might be giving that Birmingham Alliance Football team a look next spring.
 
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Woody

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I decided to skip fantasy this year and wasn't planning on watching any games, but lol @ that last clip.
 

Pooh

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But then how do you do that to 13 year old kids?

In the past and in the present, the NFL, NHL etc lied and suppressed medical evidence to prevent even the most aware players to make an educated and informed choice.

You also enter a scenario where you are asking poor children to sign away their mental rights and lives for "the chance" to make any money at all in football by going and playing college football.

Children are deciding in elementary school, high school, and college to damage their brains before there is any chance to even attempt to make a living playing football.

I don't think it's as easy as signing a waiver.

I would have no problem saying you can't play tackle football before you're 18. Kids really shouldn't be playing it.

But that's a tackle. I mean try tackling someone without using your body weight.
Yep.
 
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iapetus

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Oct 26, 2017
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It's not just some standard bad call, it was a horrific call. Nothing in the rulebook prohibits this or anything like it that I can tell.

And it wasn't the only one in that game. Shocking calls on both sides - the refs are going to be deciding even more games by what they choose to call.
 

tmarg

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Oct 25, 2017
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I would have no problem saying you can't play tackle football before you're 18. Kids really shouldn't be playing it.

Without High School Football, football is a dead sport. You can't have a major sport that athletes only begin learning that late.

I honestly think we are witnessing the beginning of the end of football's dominance. Obviously there are plenty of people who still want to watch it, but fewer and fewer people are going to play. And that will eventually cause the audience to start to dry up.

Given how short football careers are, this could happen in a surprisingly short period of time.
 

Pooh

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Without High School Football, football is a dead sport. You can't have a major sport that athletes only begin learning that late.

I honestly think we are witnessing the beginning of the end of football's dominance. Obviously there are plenty of people who still want to watch it, but fewer and fewer people are going to play. And that will eventually cause the audience to start to dry up.

Given how short football careers are, this could happen in a surprisingly short period of time.

I think so too -- I expect the sport to be effectively dead by 2050.
 

Kas'

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Oct 26, 2017
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The NFL and football has an identity crisis on its hands and its coming at the worst time with the global emergence of basketball.

This will be the highest scoring season in league history and it won't be close. 15 yard penalties will be gifted left and right essentially gifting offenses touchdowns. Get ready numerous 40+ point a game offenses.
 

I Don't Like

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Dec 11, 2017
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Football is dangerous. If you don't want to get hurt don't play.

Football organizations can't really have that attitude though. You have NFL players retiring in their 20's citing safety concerns. You're losing potential talent so nothing about that is positive for the league.

Ultimately this is the difference between a few crappy calls, slight adjustment to play and still getting paid a shitload. It's not unsurprising to see refs being sensitive to making calls with new rules in place. Once everyone settles in I think the calls will normalize.
 

adamsappel

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Oct 27, 2017
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Anyone have a clip of this tackle on Aaron Rodgers? Was this an egregious unsportsmanlike tackle that was flagged anyway, or a clean tackle but Rodgers still got hurt?

I still watch my alma mater football, but the pro game has pretty much slipped away. And I really can't watch hard-tackle highlights; I just cringe thinking of the brain damage.
 

Tya

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Oct 30, 2017
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It's not just some standard bad call, it was a horrific call. Nothing in the rulebook prohibits this or anything like it that I can tell.

I think this article explains what is expected.

Here's the full rule:

A rushing defender is prohibited from committing such intimidating and punishing acts as "stuffing" a passer into the ground or unnecessarily wrestling or driving him down after the passer has thrown the ball, even if the rusher makes his initial contact with the passer within the one-step limitation provided for in (a) above. When tackling a passer who is in a defenseless posture (e.g., during or just after throwing a pass), a defensive player must not unnecessarily or violently throw him down or land on top of him with all or most of the defender's weight. Instead, the defensive player must strive to wrap up the passer with the defensive player's arms and not land on the passer with all or most of his body weight.

Referee Pete Morelli explained recently that defensive players need to avoid "plopping down" on quarterbacks when making sacks.


"Players will have to kind of roll to the side when they make that tackle instead of plopping down on him [the quarterback]," Morelli said. "The Aaron Rodgers [hit] would be a foul this year. As long as he's out of the pocket, established and all that. But if he's running, that's not the same."

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...e-on-questionable-play-freaking-everyone-out/

I'm not sure how this is going to work since players can't be trying to arm tackle quarterbacks every time they go for a sack, but that is what the rule sounds like. It could be called a penalty if you land on the quarterback at all, and it is completely up to the ref on whether to call it.
 

RedBlue

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Looks like the dude tried to drive him into the ground on the second effort, he just wasn't in good position to do so. Ew rules and how they're applied are weird though. Already a bunch of questionable calls in multiple games.
 

Lucky Forward

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Compare the video in the OP to when Tony Siragusa obliterated Rich Gannon in the 2000 playoffs and no flag was thrown.

 

DarthWalden

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I'm surprised no one has stopped and considered that maybe this was just a bad call by the ref. Its preseason for the refs too and some of them are trying to feel their way through these new rules.

No way that is actually a penalty.
 

Bronx-Man

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Oct 25, 2017
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First no one knows what the fuck a catch is anymore, now it's tackles.

You wanna know why ratings are actually dropping? Because the game is getting worse.
 

TheGameshark

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Holy shit that's bad and on a very clean looking tackle to boot. Based on the few pre season games I've watched, I think this will be much worse than the "is it a catch?" problem from last season. I think it's funny defenders will get penalized but RBs who do this pretty much instinctively will never get penalized.
 

PhoenixDark

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Remember the year that the "hands to the face" penalty first began being enforced, a few years ago? The first few weeks of the season were terrible and borderline unwatchable. This will be even worse. Wouldn't be stunned if teams start baiting the call. Why wouldn't teams just call various screen passes to their RBs, especially in the redzone, to get LBs to throw open field tackles that (inaccurately) get flagged.

Making the game unwatchable in order to "address" concussions seems like just the type of dumbass shit Roger Goodell would cosign.