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BWoog

Member
Oct 27, 2017
38,215
We're fucking doomed with the Supreme Court because Democratic candidates will pick "centrist" options while Republicans will go hard right.

We'll never even come close to a "left" Supreme Court in our lifetimes. We might've with Clinton but you know, she was "boring"
 

Skelepuzzle

Member
Apr 17, 2018
6,119
Bu-but I marched on Washington on a Sunday from 1pm to 3pm!

Thats virtue signaling.

I don't think showing up for a protest makes you a hero or anything, but are you telling people that it's just empty posturing and to not show up for the national US protests?

I thought they were better than nothing (and bitching on Twitter) but to each their own.
 

Baji Boxer

Chicken Chaser
Member
Oct 27, 2017
11,374
American protests are tiny and ineffectual.

France in March

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/22/world/europe/france-strikes-protest-macron.html



South Korea 2016

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016–17_South_Korean_protests



Ukraine 2014

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Ukrainian_revolution



When people talk about mass protests on the scale to stop a president from acting, they mean general strikes, schools shut down, cities shut down, roads blocked off etc.

I get it, it can't happen in America 'cause people need to work, no one has time for it, it wouldn't change anything etc. etc. But there clearly have not been mass, protracted protests in America. Some weekend marches, sure, but nothing you'd see in France, South Korea, Ukraine, etc.
We can argue about effectiveness and strategy, but certanly not size. This year we've had two mass protests of over 1,000,000 participants. The Women's March was 1.5 million, and the March for Our Lives protest was 1 to 2 million. The women's march in 2017 was 3 to 4 million.
 

GrooveCommand

Banned
Oct 28, 2017
1,340
I don't think showing up for a protest makes you a hero or anything, but are you telling people that it's just empty posturing and to not show up for the national US protests?

I thought they were better than nothing (and bitching on Twitter) but to each their own.

yeah ffs, anything that's politically motivated and gets you out of the house is a win in my book. Doesn't mean we should stop there and let that be enough, but damn people are lazy and detached when it comes to politics.
 

Skelepuzzle

Member
Apr 17, 2018
6,119
yeah ffs, anything that's politically motivated and gets you out of the house is a win in my book. Doesn't mean we should stop there and let that be enough, but damn people are lazy and detached when it comes to politics.

Donating is pretty much a net win as well, I don't think we'll see mass protests until (and if) things get worse but we should do what we can in the mean time.
 

Kernel

Member
Oct 25, 2017
19,851
They see victims of gun violence as potential gun rights rights activists and therefore the enemy.
 

cheese toast

Member
Oct 29, 2017
727
Eh, if I'm sitting in one room, on camera for 8 hours, I'd probably have my limbs in all sorts of odd positions. This is some Illuminati handshake stuff.

I'd rather argue against Kavanaugh based on his record, which is definitely a white, Christian, corporate agenda.
Need more context? She was sitting normally, received a text, then threw the sign.

EDIT: Beaten.
 
Jan 18, 2018
2,625
I don't think showing up for a protest makes you a hero or anything, but are you telling people that it's just empty posturing and to not show up for the national US protests?

I thought they were better than nothing (and bitching on Twitter) but to each their own.

No, thats not what Im saying. Showing up on the mall is better than nothing, and much better than twitter, which is the equivalent of nothing.

But let's not pretend that using your day off to take selfies on the mall at a pre-planned and permitted event is the kind of mass protest that will lead to meaningful change.

I think it's also insulting to the people in Egypt, Thailand, Taiwan, Mexico, Brazil, etc etc who shut down their cities in the face of armed military police to suggest that American protests are anywhere close to on their level.


The 2011 protests in Egypt resulted in 846 people killed and over 6,000 injured.

The result was that the President resigned.

Real protest requires sacrifice. The last time Americans protested en mass was probably Vietnam.
 
Oct 30, 2017
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For those thinking it wasn't intentional


I was a first hand witness to the rise of the tea party and I swear to you this is exactly the kind of conspiratorial thinking that grew like an infestation. They micro-analyzed every gesture Obama ever made as some kind of secret message. The gesture was coopted for this very reason, to make people like you see ghosts everywhere you look. Unless you're really certain of the intent like when Milo or Richard Spencer does it, I would hold back.
 

Powdered Egg

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
17,070
Very intentional and she's smirking twice while reading her message right before she throws up her set. The Right is bout that life while Dems are about civility.
 

Deepwater

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
6,349
I was a first hand witness to the rise of the tea party and I swear to you this is exactly the kind of conspiratorial thinking that grew like an infestation. They micro-analyzed every gesture Obama ever made as some kind of secret message. The gesture was coopted for this very reason, to make people like you see ghosts everywhere you look. Unless you're really certain of the intent like when Milo or Richard Spencer does it, I would hold back.

Nah
 
Oct 25, 2017
2,391
I was a first hand witness to the rise of the tea party and I swear to you this is exactly the kind of conspiratorial thinking that grew like an infestation. They micro-analyzed every gesture Obama ever made as some kind of secret message. The gesture was coopted for this very reason, to make people like you see ghosts everywhere you look. Unless you're really certain of the intent like when Milo or Richard Spencer does it, I would hold back.
Yep, now we see just how susceptible people on the left are to this type of thinking as well.
 

ZackieChan

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
8,056
The french protests were a great exemple of mass protests. They also resulted in nothing, as the government soldiered on with its reforms, just like the even more massive protests against the labor law reform of the previous government didn't prevent it from going into effect.
And lol at them bringing up the protests in Bangkok, which resulted in a military take over of government that still hasn't ended, and they continue to "delay" elections because the guy in charge doesn't want to give up power. Gg, protesters! Someone googled "mass protests" and forgot to read the whole article...
I was a first hand witness to the rise of the tea party and I swear to you this is exactly the kind of conspiratorial thinking that grew like an infestation. They micro-analyzed every gesture Obama ever made as some kind of secret message. The gesture was coopted for this very reason, to make people like you see ghosts everywhere you look. Unless you're really certain of the intent like when Milo or Richard Spencer does it, I would hold back.
Yep. Google "Obama devil sign" or "Clinton devil sign" and see all these collections of photos of politicians making hand signals for the Illuminati. This whole thing is ridiculous and makes us look crazy.
 

Ferrio

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Oct 25, 2017
18,041
Pointing out dog whistles from relative nobodies seems pointless when there's a dog howling 24/7 ever since the man took office.
 

SugarNoodles

Member
Nov 3, 2017
8,625
Portland, OR
And lol at them bringing up the protests in Bangkok, which resulted in a military take over of government that still hasn't ended, and they continue to "delay" elections because the guy in charge doesn't want to give up power. Gg, protesters! Someone googled "mass protests" and forgot to read the whole article...
Oh for the love of god. Are you seriously referencing the fact that protesting isn't guaranteed to immediately solve problems as an excuse for standing by and watching?

Good fucking lord. Keep preserving that comfort zone. It's all you've got going for you.
 

ZackieChan

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
8,056
Oh for the love of god. Are you seriously referencing the fact that protesting isn't guaranteed to immediately solve problems as an excuse for standing by and watching?

Good fucking lord. Keep preserving that comfort zone. It's all you've got going for you.
They were literally provided as examples of protesting working, so...yeah?
 

BWoog

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Oct 27, 2017
38,215
I was a first hand witness to the rise of the tea party and I swear to you this is exactly the kind of conspiratorial thinking that grew like an infestation. They micro-analyzed every gesture Obama ever made as some kind of secret message. The gesture was coopted for this very reason, to make people like you see ghosts everywhere you look. Unless you're really certain of the intent like when Milo or Richard Spencer does it, I would hold back.

Yeah and all it got them was the Presidency....and Congress.....and the Senate....and their tax plan.....and two Supreme Court Justices (If we're lucky).....and shoving kids into Concentration Camps.
 

ZackieChan

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
8,056
Oh for the love of god. Are you seriously referencing the fact that protesting isn't guaranteed to immediately solve problems as an excuse for standing by and watching?

Good fucking lord. Keep preserving that comfort zone. It's all you've got going for you.
They were literally provided as examples of protesting working, so...yeah?
 

Madison

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
8,388
Lima, Peru
Yep, now we see just how susceptible people on the left are to this type of thinking as well.
Do you think white supremacists wear shirts that say "Hello I am a white supremacist" on them? The reaction to Charlottesville showed them that they have to play a more quiet strategy. Dogwhistles are a thing for a reason, bigots love secret handshakes and ways for them to recognize each other.
 

SugarNoodles

Member
Nov 3, 2017
8,625
Portland, OR
They were literally provided as examples of protesting working, so...yeah?
They were provided as examples of the scale necessary for protests to have the impact necessary to bring about change, which those protests did.

I certainly hope your take home wasn't "it would have been better if they didn't protest" because, well, that would be incredibly stupid.
 

marrec

Banned
Oct 26, 2017
6,775
Do you think white supremacists wear shirts that say "Hello I am a white supremacist" on them? The reaction to Charlottesville showed them that they have to play a more quiet strategy. Dogwhistles are a thing for a reason, bigots love secret handshakes and ways for them to recognize each other.
No they just do stupid hand signals that everyone knows about lol ok
 

Baji Boxer

Chicken Chaser
Member
Oct 27, 2017
11,374
And lol at them bringing up the protests in Bangkok, which resulted in a military take over of government that still hasn't ended, and they continue to "delay" elections because the guy in charge doesn't want to give up power. Gg, protesters! Someone googled "mass protests" and forgot to read the whole article...

Yep. Google "Obama devil sign" or "Clinton devil sign" and see all these collections of photos of politicians making hand signals for the Illuminati. This whole thing is ridiculous and makes us look crazy.
It's video, not a still photograph taken of a precise moment in a motion. Now I'm not familiar with white supremecist hand jestures (could be signaling "ok" to someone for all I know), but she looks at her phone, awkwardly makes the hand signal, even adjusting her thumb when it doesn't line up right with her finger.
 

ZackieChan

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
8,056
They were provided as examples of the scale necessary for protests to have the impact necessary to bring about change, which those protests did.

I certainly hope your take home wasn't "it would have been better if they didn't protest" because, well, that would be incredibly stupid.
In Thailand? I don't think it would have been any worse if they hadn't, that's for sure. But I'm sure that neither you or I have a deep enough knowledge of Thai politics to answer that. I was literally AT the protests, though (not protesting). Nothing like a bit of martial law (brought on by the protests) to make you think about things in a different way, though.
Anyway, your ultimate answer to all the questions earlier just being "protest bigger" is sorely disappointing. No, I don't believe that would stop them from voting on Kavanaugh.
 

SugarNoodles

Member
Nov 3, 2017
8,625
Portland, OR
In Thailand? I don't think it would have been any worse if they hadn't, that's for sure. But I'm sure that neither you or I have a deep enough knowledge of Thai politics to answer that. I was literally AT the protests, though (not protesting). Nothing like a bit of martial law (brought on by the protests) to make you think about things in a different way, though.
Anyway, your ultimate answer to all the questions earlier just being "protest bigger" is sorely disappointing. No, I don't believe that would stop them from voting on Kavanaugh.
Blaming protesters for martial law is super disgusting.
 

Deepwater

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
6,349
Ah yes she received a text message that must mean she's part of a secret white supremacist cabal

It's important to note when online alt right communities (read: white supremacist) have proximity and access to high level VIPs in the federal government. Sorry it's not important to you, but you can definitely kick rocks thinking your snark is well placed
 

marrec

Banned
Oct 26, 2017
6,775
It's important to note when online alt right communities (read: white supremacist) have proximity and access to high level VIPs in the federal government. Sorry it's not important to you, but you can definitely kick rocks thinking your snark is well placed
It's actually very important to me seeing otherwise rational, intelligent people taken in by the dumbest conspiracies.
 

ced

Member
Oct 27, 2017
2,751
Zina Bash seems like a real POS but you all need to stop the conspiracy bullshit, this is ridiculous.
 

ZackieChan

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
8,056
It's video, not a still photograph taken of a precise moment in a motion. Now I'm not familiar with white supremecist hand jestures (could be signaling "ok" to someone for all I know), but she looks at her phone, awkwardly makes the hand signal, even adjusting her thumb when it doesn't line up right with her finger.
I watched the video, and this is a silly take. Sorry, not seeing it. Again, this just makes us all look like nutcases.
Blaming protesters for martial law is super disgusting.
I did nothing of the sort.
 

Baji Boxer

Chicken Chaser
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Oct 27, 2017
11,374
All the more reason to dismiss this stupid "secret (but not actually secret cause the fucking NYT wrote about it lol) hand sign" bullshit. Y'all sound like QAnon nuts and it's sad.

I watched the video, and this is a silly take. Sorry, not seeing it. Again, this just makes us all look like nutcases.
It's a description of what happened. Don't think it's a "secret" signal, just trolling.

Edit: If anyone saw this post already, I wrote "shut the fuck up" to marric, was going to post more following that sentence (because he's being a dipshit), thought better of it and thought I deleted it. Guess I was wrong!
 
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Oct 25, 2017
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It's important to note when online alt right communities (read: white supremacist) have proximity and access to high level VIPs in the federal government. Sorry it's not important to you, but you can definitely kick rocks thinking your snark is well placed

You'd think with all the other cases of neo-nazi numerology and coded signals people wouldn't be so quick to dismiss. The same group that works in 14 (for 14 words), pepe, and 88 (shorthand hiel hitler) as low key signals to other white supremacists would try to implant it to their audience on TV. I guess it's the same people arguing racism doesn't actually exist unless there is a cross burning or a black man in a noose.
 

ZackieChan

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
8,056
It's a description of what happened. Don't think it's a "secret" signal, just trolling.

Edit: If anyone saw this post already, I wrote "shut the fuck up" to marric, was going to post more following that sentence (because he's being a dipshit), thought better of it and thought I deleted it. Guess I was wrong!
This whole line of thinking is yikes af. We need to be better than this.
 

marrec

Banned
Oct 26, 2017
6,775
It's a description of what happened. Don't think it's a "secret" signal, just trolling.

Edit: If anyone saw this post already, I wrote "shut the fuck up" to marric, was going to post more following that sentence (because he's being a dipshit), thought better of it and thought I deleted it. Guess I was wrong!
So you're just resorting to insults now cool
 

ZeroDotFlow

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Oct 27, 2017
928
No they just do stupid hand signals that everyone knows about lol ok
Are you stupid or just willfully dense? The reason why they use hand signals like this is for plausible deniability. It's so that gullible people (ie, yourself) end up ignoring or arguing in favor of it.

Terrorist groups, white supremacist groups etc all exhibit similar forms of behavior (gaslighting, plausible deniability etc) and use common symbols to quickly identify other members of their groups. This is all pretty basic stuff I learned in a brief period of my career to identify when spies or terrorists are attempting to infiltrate or recruit other people to their cause. It's not a conspiracy to say the alt-right has essentially adopted a bunch of common symbols in attempt to do the same thing. This isn't to say that everyone that uses the OK symbol is part of the group (which is entirely the intent) but rather you have to look at how someone behaves to figure out their true intent.