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Why women criticise sexualised character designs (READ OP)
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Hey now, don't pass up on a great series due to some really shitty promotional art done by a profesional hentai artist.
Valkyria Chronicles is excellent. That spinoff that come out this year is shit and should be ignored. Selveria is big but she's not that big, Sega just hires the wrong people to smut up their shit for their mobile garbage
They always take great care in perfectly molding Solid Snake's but to the best of the graphics engine's ability, I give you that much. But that it is in frame most of the time is incidental.
It has been forever since I've played i've played 4, but I can't recall, for example, too many cutscenes featuring awkwardly framed shots that allowed the camera to linger with his behind in center, or center left/right of the screen.
Also, if you provided an example of that already, I apologize since I can't watch videos at the moment. But you were referring to gameplay and that I do remember clearly.
lol, if you're not familiar with her already, google Camilla from Fire Emblem Fates. truly an amazing example in subtle character design
How do people find this hot?
Snake's butt occupies like 5% of the screen and has no unnecessary movement
Find a MGS cutscene featuring Snake like this:
Or even its agreed that MGS4 intended to emphasize Snake's tush, its telling that he manages to be less objectified than villains that have a fraction of his screen time
lol I get that; anything was off the table when feet and sonic characters became sexual. So whatever. But that picture itself is awful and looks terribly awkward. A fail to deliver big breasts because she just look physically deformed.
Like, the saddest thing about Camilla is that her attitude, by no means, correlates with her outfit or penchant for bondage equipment. She's actually kind of a demur sis-con, so she's literally dressed like that no reason. It's just artist gaze, they didn't even have a sexy angle ready for it.
There's literally a fetish for everything.
Yeah, I really hope this isn't in the new game coming out. I'm already questioning some of the designs like:
Why are you wearing leggings as a military outfit? Like, they established that they're hit by an early winter so they're not ready for winter fighting but you're in the army, put some pants on.
Again, the sniper's outfit looks great except her pants look more like tights than actual armor. I suppose it is a step up from the skirts we got in 2. Maybe.
I refuse to believe that is anything but trolling. 3D boobs don't make people that crazy(mostly).
Actually they are ginormous, it is just modeled smaller than Reilas (Valkria Chronicles Character Designer)artHey now, don't pass up on a great series due to some really shitty promotional art done by a profesional hentai artist.
Valkyria Chronicles is excellent. That spinoff that come out this year is shit and should be ignored. Selveria is big but she's not that big, Sega just hires the wrong people to smut up their shit for their mobile garbage
This is his tame art
you know how people in medieval times would draw exotic animals they'd only kind of heard about and they ended up looking nothing like the real thing? it's like that but with women
I'm in a weird place where I KNOW the outfits aren't battle appropriate but give it a personal 'pass' because it's not nearly as bad as the other games and...well still at least covers most of them (which I feel is saying a lot for this series). And yeah I think the designs look alright (not terribly rife with anime tropes compared to the others)
I mean, they're cute. They're in appropriate for war, of course, but hell...this is still a fantasy europe situation and apparently Edy is in the game so I'm not expecting things super realistic.
Honestly with how gorgeous the game is within the CANVAS engine, I'd much rather go by in game models than any sort of promotional art. It just looks better. Leave this mess for the artbooks they're no doubt selling on the side.Actually they are ginormous, it is just modeled smaller than Reilas (Valkria Chronicles Character Designer)art
This is his tame art
And that's kind of what makes this whole blowback of this thread so hilarious/sad. Our requests are so low and so milquetoast that we are at the stage of "at least it isn't as sexualized as it could be". The bar has literally put under the ground and yet this is somehow still not a low enough bar for people to jump over.
Notice how the men have actual pants? Give them that. That's really it.
For one? Pants. It's war for fuck's sake. The other women gets pants, I don't know why all of the female leads have to have skirts? There's an entire class filled with women who all gets pants.
If you wanna have military coats that flare out at the bottom fine, I guess that could work, but seriously. It's a warzone, you wouldn't be wearing just spanx. And if you can't make a design good with pants, you shouldn't be leading design for a game.
I do like what's going on with the girl on the far right. Not sure why it doesn't cover all, but it's interesting and stylish (and yeah I'm fine with game characters adhering to a necessary "fashion component" every so often --- having all military uniforms for everyone can make things a little drab, especially for a series that does try to push the creative in a vaguely-historical setting) (and hopefully the girl in blue is more behind the scenes because goddamn she'd be an easy target).
Hey look, it doesn't have to be so black and white! :D
It sucks that you had to label him disrespectfully as a "huge horndog" when in reality, he's written some of the most iconic female characters in gaming history such as The Boss. There's no need to call him that and not assume that maybe Konami pushed Kojima Production to have a sexualized female character in the game.
It sucks that you had to label him disrespectfully as a "huge horndog" when in reality, he's written some of the most iconic female characters in gaming history such as The Boss. There's no need to call him that and not assume that maybe Konami pushed Kojima Production to have a sexualized female character in the game.
I don't think you're actually serious, I just wanted to use that gif
Let's switch things up.
This happens after you shoot her in the face.
Just from a basic design perspective, everything going on below the belt, as it were, is imbalanced and questionable aesthetically to begin with. Their outfits are like that out of a need to keep them as far away from reasonable pants as possible, but I almost respect the restraint in avoiding full on zettai ryouiki military uniforms this time?
Raita's honestly not even an especially bad designer when someone's present to rein his madness in, but overdesign and compulsive accessorizing have been a rising trend in otaku art for several years now and his understanding of anatomy has gone backwards to the point of creating monstrosities that even fail from a titillation perspective. He's become a parody of himself.
Valkyria's not even a case of hiring an artist who happens to be well known for porn like Xenoblade 2, where Saito has two separate twitter accounts for his professional work and his under-a-very-thin-pseudonym porn. They literally hired a pornographer to do their design work and then had internal art teams and modelers rein it back in afterward.
It's among the weirdest creative decisions I've ever seen a studio make, frankly. I've always been kind of surprised that the designs don't wind up more egregious than they do.
Raita's honestly not even an especially bad designer when someone's present to rein his madness in, but overdesign and compulsive accessorizing have been a rising trend in otaku art for several years now and his understanding of anatomy has gone backwards to the point of creating monstrosities that even fail from a titillation perspective. He's become a parody of himself.
Valkyria's not even a case of hiring an artist who happens to be well known for porn like Xenoblade 2, where Saito has two separate twitter accounts for his professional work and his under-a-very-thin-pseudonym porn. They literally hired a pornographer to do their design work and then had internal art teams and modelers rein it back in afterward.
It's among the weirdest creative decisions I've ever seen a studio make, frankly. I've always been kind of surprised that the designs don't wind up more egregious than they do.
Tis a good gif :p
I don't think you're actually serious, I just wanted to use that gif
It sucks that you had to label him disrespectfully as a "huge horndog" when in reality, he's written some of the most iconic female characters in gaming history such as The Boss. There's no need to call him that and not assume that maybe Konami pushed Kojima Production to have a sexualized female character in the game.
Meryl's asshots in MGS1, Katrina Gibson's shower scene (who, let's be reminded, is 14 in the original Japanese version), Boss's original design was to fight semi-naked + EVA's outfit, The Beauty and the Beast in general, Quiet, like, there's plenty of evidence for this.
It should be a gif. Let the scenes play out while people defend Kojima and his... direction.
Man, Xenoblade 2 is going to suffer in this country over it's design. It really did go full loli, and if you're selling your game in america, you NEVER go full loli.
I don't think you're actually serious, I just wanted to use that gif
Seeing your sarcasm reminded me of reddit users who act like those condescending, sarcastic people that don't reply with constructive criticism.
To be honest, the Quiet torture scene gif compared with every other torture scene gif in the game is a better one for showing this.
And let's not forget that the "reward" for doing a sequence in MGS1 fast enough was getting to see Meryl in her panties while her nipples are clearly visible through her shirt.
Again, don't assume that Kojima is the one who put this without any pressure from Konami. Its a known fact that the models whose posters were seen in MGS2 are actual Konami models.
Interesting, I didn't know this. Well, I guess Kojima has some explaining to do :)
Let's see what he does in Death Stranding. Hopefully, he doesn't have to add lewd things like that Meryl thing you described.
Let's make a wager. I love forum wagers, I sort of half won the last one.
Death Stranding is probably a 2019 game but it's definitely Kojima helmed 100%.
If there is no weird creepy bits of wanton sexualization or objectification out of context of the rest of the game, I will buy you a copy of the game.
If there is, you will buy me a copy of the game.
Savvy?
Dude, really? Like, you can still like the guy for is really good direction in video games and criticize him for the more questionable aspects that are commonplace in every single one of them. Don't put Kojima on a pedestal. He's human and is more than capable of doing bad things even in his otherwise great video games.
You can also sexually assault Katrina and she's sort of treated as a secondary love interest for the whole game (like, it's obvious that Gillian wants to bone her in every interaction they have). There's also a scene of sexualized violence against one of the female snatchers. It's kind of uncomfortable to see Kojima praised by the gaming community when he's so fucking creepy with so many of his female characters, tbh.
I just posted now saying that Death Stranding will be a good way to gauge whether Kojima is truly perverted or not! :)
Kojima is praised because they give credit when credit is due.
I don't remember the sexualized violence portion. I do remember you killing one of the disguised snatchers than it in the original Japanese version showing her nipples but with her face blown up to show the Snatcher underneath. Is that what you're talking about?
I admire your restraint in the stakes of what might be one of the most sure-thing bets in the history of gambling.
I'm not sure it'd even count as gambling, actually. You could fleece somebody of so much more than a free game at almost no risk with those odds.
Pretty sure you can harass all the female characters in that game.
This site seems to list most of the messed up content in the game. Graphic content on the site though
http://ettugamer.com/2014/03/19/snatcher_1988/
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......I stand defeated. I can't argue against this and I completely agree with you with what you just said. I'll make sure not to be too biased towards Kojima next time in regards to this topic.
people could also take a breather from proclaiming him as The Savior Of Gaming or whatever from time to time to acknowledge that he's a huge creep
I don't actually recall but honestly you're probably right. Katrina just stands out to me because, well, she's a literal fucking child
Yep, that's it. You blow her (figurative) brains up but the game still takes the time to show you some tiddy because women must be hot even when they're being gruesomely killed.
and yes she's not actually a woman and just a copy of one but the point still stands and don't any of you dare point this out is2g
Agreed, and yet if you think Kojima is without criticism, surely freed from the chains of Konami his output would be different right?
Right?
Right.
I'm not sure what the butt/screen real estate ratio is supposed to mean? That's like saying Quiet isn't too bad because you only actually see her on screen for 5% of the game.
I wasn't arguing that Snake's ass is as bad as Quiet. I'm not objecting that his portrayal is different to female characters in the same game.
I was just disagreeing with the notion that the framing of his ass is completely innocent.
To the bolded : I do not believe that for a single second. I'm pulling numbers out of my ass, but I'd argue that close to 100% of the players were at least surprised when they saw his ass for the first time. There is no way that this happened unintentionally.
I'm pretty sure there's at least a few shots of his ass during cutscenes, but those are probably incidental, I agree. His character is in no way treated in the same manner as the women of the cast.
That's way too much time spent nitpicking about Snake's ass. What am I doing with my life.
It's truly incredible how so many designs would be improved if they could just give the women some goddamn pants :D
If the doesn't want to "disrespectfully be called a horndog", maybe he should stop disrespecting women by constantly portraying them as sex objects. Including underage ones.
Oh, so now we're no longer at the "Kojima is an auteur whose sacrosanct creative freedom should be respected no matter what and is totally above criticism", but rather, "It's not Kojima's fault, Konami made him put these things in his games"? xD
It's not true, anyway. When Kojima has free reign, we get Quiet. When he gets an editor at Konami who tells him "nah bruh", we get The Boss.
The frustrating thing is that, in some ways, DoA is actually better than the competition. Mila's design is fantastic. Quite a few characters (Hitomi, Kokoro, Mila, Pai Chan), have non-objectifying costumes unlocked right out of the gate. Contrast that with Street Fighter or Tekken, where I have to grind like crazy or spend money if I want to change a character's clothes. DoA is the fighting game that's famous for fanservice, but the other big franchises are just as bad.
That picture drives me up the wall. Why do her nipples look like hooves? Some of these artists need to take life drawing classes.
I love what I've seen of the sniper. I think the poncho is the thing that really won me over. The wings/ears are a little goofy, but I like how they look on the hat. I don't really get what they're going for with Riley's outfit, though. There's no reason for her to be wearing a short skirt and tights, and the diamonds make the outfit look kind of busy. I like her jacket, I guess?
I'd remove that picture altogether. I think that technically violates the TOS, even with a nudity warning plus it is very violent.
I was watching an LP of Sudeki the other day and one of the running jokes is that, when the god of the world bestows your cast with new armors, the female armors are getting increasingly skimpy. God is literally stealing their pants.
I would wear that jacket.
With pants.
That... looks awfully similar to a character I designed some months ago. Oh well, I guess I'll have to make some changes if needs be.
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