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IGN DQXI review mentions "cringe-worthy" sexualization. Angry Joe chimes in. Let's talk about it.
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Japanese culture in general just reeks. From how they treat gay, transgender people to what you're expected to do as a salarmyan. Miss me with your weak ass cultural imperialism bullshit my man.
Also Akira Toriyama's objectively bad writing done for laughs is not a good excuse.
I think it's entirely fair to cringe at that and call that shit out. I'm not familiar at all with the game franchise, so I have no idea if this is out of place in the game. JRPG:s having stuff like this doesn't surprise me though. Not sure why Angry Joe decided to have an issue with the review, or with that line in it. Is there a certain crowd he is looking to pander? I understood that he was one of those puplicly defending Sarkeesian from the vitriol back in the days, so I didn't expect this from him.
Edit: There's no denying the character is sexualized, as people have mentioned she's dressed like a Playboy bunny.
Edit: There's no denying the character is sexualized, as people have mentioned she's dressed like a Playboy bunny.
The hostility in your answer is over the top and embarrassing. Yes this is my first dragon quest game I've bought. Me pointing out it's out of place is from my knowledge of costume design. Anyone looking at that thumbnail provided in the op can see that that outfit is not something that matches the era in the way that most other people are dressed.
For that matter, her regular outfit is designed completely differently from everyone else as well.
She's the only one here who's clothing is taken from modern design cues instead of the old world.
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I believe women should be allowed to wear whatever makes them happy (so long as it is permitted by law, there is no point in ending in jail in some countries).
In the west, if a woman wishes to wear a bunny outfit, she should feel safe to do so without having to face male and female criticism/pervert looks...
I don't think sexualisation or however you want to call it is bad as it should be the person's own choice to do whatever they want with their looks and body. Where there is an issue is how others interpret this (thinking that a woman wearing a miniskirt is a ho ho or other preconceived ideas such as these). By saying that a woman should not wear this or this, people should be careful not to fall into restraining and dictating what THEY think is right, when the only ones who know what is right for themselves is the women themselves. They should always have a choice (once again in some countries it is easier than in others).
Well that is my opinion about this in general.
In the west, if a woman wishes to wear a bunny outfit, she should feel safe to do so without having to face male and female criticism/pervert looks...
I don't think sexualisation or however you want to call it is bad as it should be the person's own choice to do whatever they want with their looks and body. Where there is an issue is how others interpret this (thinking that a woman wearing a miniskirt is a ho ho or other preconceived ideas such as these). By saying that a woman should not wear this or this, people should be careful not to fall into restraining and dictating what THEY think is right, when the only ones who know what is right for themselves is the women themselves. They should always have a choice (once again in some countries it is easier than in others).
Well that is my opinion about this in general.
Of course, women and men should be allowed to dress how they feel comfortable and be safe doing so. But this isn't a person who has their own agency. It's a fictional character, don't know who created her or who designed the outfit. But sure as hell the character didn't "decide" to wear it herself. The AI isn't that advanced in the game. Your point as valid as it is, doesn't have anything to do with portrayal of women in media which this is about.
Yes, it does tend to mean something about your argument when you make a sweeping accusation about a large chunk of a forum based on your personal wild assumption about the dual opinions of many different posters, then can't offer a single specific example of it. Don't worry, I had already assumed at this point that you really didn't care much about violence in games and were just indulging in a bit of pointless whataboutery in order to have a casual swipe at the opinions of everyone you disagree with at once.
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This is a good post. Being blind to cultural differences is bullshit. This doesn't mean condoning or celebrating any particular aspect of any culture, but you can't simply ignore it as an element in how people live, create and function. Culture informs everything we do.
Apart from the fact this is a character we're talking about who doesn't get the luxury of choice (after all they're at the whims of the player and the creators of the game), and laughably, if you complete the quest and make Jade wear the bunny suit - she actually voices displeasure at it.
But she is a fictional character that was created by a team that mostly consists of men, for example if her character was made in an all female development team or at least female dominated one it wouldn't be a problem at all.
Idk, I always thought that saying female was okay since male was okay but apparently it's offensive. Believe me when I say I meant no offense by it. Change the word to women if you'd like since that's what I was told to use instead. Do you think it's better to edit it after the fact or leave it as is?
Good lord these brain-dead posts are getting worse all the time.
Western values of what, basic decency? The biggest problem of anime is that as a medium it reeks of pandering to otakus which should be the worst demographic to pander as a whole.
(obviously i'm not talking about all anime shows but i'm talking about a big part of the industry that drags this whole medium down).
There is also a little fluffy cat suit. This game just has out of place stuff like that. It's all 100% optional. In fact, you must go out of your way to buy it in-game. So just... don't buy it.
Compared to other kinds of fan service you see in anime and other mediums, this seems pretty tame.
Then that would be discrimination, and would be the same as saying that a team of women creating a super sexy male hero wearing a super tight aquaman pair of pants would be a problem. Creativity should not be put into boxes as in you are a male so you can create male characters, you are a female so you can create female characters, or because I am a Black male I could only create Black male characters.
Now from what I read here, I would have an issue not with the suit itself (provided thatparticular character likes dressing a bit more sexy/revealing) but with the quest itself. Introducing a pervert old guy out of the blue for the sake of the quest is (for me) unnecessary.
That outfit could have been won through a more normal quest and that is where I would call for a change with regards to a "mainstream" game.
Yes, I completely disagree with the quest itself. My take was that even if she is a character, like any character she should have some level of background or a general vibe that sets the "character". Thus if the character likes to dress in a reveling way, then the outfit can make sense (I am not saying it does but then it can be imagined that the said character would actually enjoy dressing that way).
From what you say the character expresses displeasure at wearing the outfit, then we go back to my first comment. She should be allowed to wear what she wants to wear, and I think it would have been great to permanently lose the outfit afterwards and have some impact on the relationship with that particular character.
Also, to have her dress that way for a quest from a pervert old guy that you just met is uncalled for and could/should have been avoided.
I'll try this, lol. People will be confused (because really, why would you even bring up an entirely different issue like this).
So we choose to draw our lines and cut off at different places; but you won't let anyone else draw their lines and cut off at different places than you. How the fuck does that even work? :D
Unless you're ready for every single review to be either DigitalFoundry-style FPS analysis or "uh, you might, or might not, like this game", this is a supremely nonsensical thing to ask for.
As an animal rights advocate against bullfighting, feminist against patriarchy, and atheist against... a whole lot of things, I vehemently object to the notion that tradition is a valid argument in favor of anything at all. In fact, any time someone defends something by appealing to tradition, I tend to assume it's because they have no actual, legitimate way to defend it.
I really can't believe that Japanese people collectively would be okay with this kind of shit, though that's exactly what people seem to often imply in these topics. "It's their culture". Like is it really, or is it just shitty anime and manga.
I always just assumed fan-service is a byproduct of marketing to a predominantly adolescent male audience.
As a woman who loves playing DQXI, I did feel that the quest itself was a bit cringy. Especially to do to a character that saved your life, making her parade around for an old man and having him get excited by her disgust at the whole event felt bad as an MC.
I would have liked the option to complete the quest by dressing Sylvando up in the bunny suit, but alas the devs didn't give us any freedom to do so.
I would have liked the option to complete the quest by dressing Sylvando up in the bunny suit, but alas the devs didn't give us any freedom to do so.
This is the most embarrassing Thermian argument imaginable. I will now proceed to assume it's parody for the good of my own sanity. Don't try to convince me otherwise.
Oh for sure, but I was thinking more precisely stuff like in that clip. Where sexual harassment is played for laughs, it seems to be somewhat common but I fail to see any artistic value for it. But it's probably harmful. Considering that they even have women-only passenger cars (few other places have too tbf) because of sexual harassment (groping) is so common in public transport. Having even child friendly media with this probably isn't helping anyone but just normalizing it.
Edit: Correction, sexual assault not just harassment.
I get what you mean. The stuff shown in that video is actually way more sinister than typical fan-service.
Hard for me to comment as I don't live in Japan. I do find this sort of stuff a little surprising though because I was under the impression that Japan has a pretty conservative culture.
I'm pretty sure Master Roshi is a porn addict in the Japanese version. I know they digitally replaced one of his porn mags with a wad of cash in the localised version. Guess they figured it would be better to show him as a covetous old man than a frisky one.
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If only the same effort some posters put in defending the "traditionalist" values of this series went to let S-E know that working with a disgusting human being like Sugiyama is not right.
smdh
smdh
So everyone who likes sexy outfits in videogames is not normal and a pervert?