Yea I figured this is where the conversation was going to go, pretty typical.
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If you were an employer, would you hire a Trump supporter?
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Yea I figured this is where the conversation was going to go, pretty typical.
I honestly can't tell if some of these people are trolling or are just entirely consumed by politics and unable to live normal lives.
I never said you shouldn't be criticized for your vote. Not once did I say that. However dialing the hyperbole meter to 11 and saying that they are all racists and homophobic/transphobic etc etc is just ridiculous.
Why else would someone vote for a flagrant racist? I want to hear reasons.
So, let's say you have Mexican individuals or LGBT individuals working at your company, and a guy shows up to an interview with a MAGA hat on, or a Confederate flag hat. Would you be cool with asking them to work with and tolerate someone who voted against even treating them like people? How could you do that to them, and why would you if you could avoid it?
I employ roughly 300 people in my company. Some of them are contractors who come and go depending on projects being worked on. It's a pretty diverse set of folks since we in London after all, but if I knew you support Trump, or have other messed up beliefs, I wouldn't employ you. Pretty simple. My HR peeps know how it goes and will justify it some way.
Okay, so explain how someone voting for racism is not a racist, and how Hillary wasn't the lesser of two evils.
Many in this thread has explicitly said that if the person in question has ability, the professionalism, and the attitude in their work environment--a.k.a. "not bringing politics in to the office" or "not making a fuss about it"--they would be okay with it. Showing up in an interview with a MAGA Hat or a Confederate flag hat or a Nazi symbol or wearing a KKK hood is "not bringing politics in to the office" and would reflect that that person is not capable of sound judgment for a professional work environment. Of course I wouldn't hire the person. But should I snoop around every potential employee and directly ask what their political affiliation are before I hire them? Is that how it works in your place of work?
I wouldn't hire anyone that interviewed without a suit soooooo
Holy shit that is not this thread. The election was two years ago my man.
Maybe some people actually thought he would so called "Drain the swamp". To be honest I don't understand how anyone could believe that BS. But you're voting for a racist if you voted for Hilary or Trump. Let's not forget Hilary's political stances in the 90s. It's one of the reasons why I didn't choose either.
Someone that admires Trump's behavior and continues to support him wouldn't last long in a team environment like where I'm at. If you do more individualized work, it doesn't really matter. They just become "that guy" in the office.
Voting for Hillary doesn't automatically make you a good person or better employee, for the record.
Voting for Hillary doesn't automatically make you a good person or better employee, for the record.
As much as I would hope it's just trolling I honestly don't think it is. It's quite sad really.
It's absurd this even needs to be said, and more absurd that people will inevitably attack it.
The poster I was responding to brought it up, not me, my man
I was specifically forming that scenario in the light of the person I was originally responding to to find out their line and what they consider "harm" in the workplace. In the OP, it says you just magically know.
Calling people sad less than 30 posts in is not a great look, SCM.
Obviously, and nobody nowhere in this thread said it did
This... happened once.
Backstory. At my old job, I was part of the hiring committee. Interview processes aren't perfect, and two hours isn't always enough to determine someone's political leanings. Yes, if they came in with a MAGA hat we'd go through the interview only as a formality (we're part of a bureaucracy so stuff can happen) but it'll be a no. But not every Trump supporter has a MAGA hat. After this fact we learn this kid--well, Freshman--is one of those well-to-do comes from a wealthy family that always leans Republicans. Now, with someone who's a Freshman in college, there's room to believe for growth--I'm not going to think of a naive white Freshman the same way I'd approach an old right-leaning white professor like Pinker or Peterson; it's a huge red flag when we realized but not immediate crisis mode. Besides, there isn't much we can do; waiting for contracts to expire is faster than the firing process because bureaucracy. So while he did parrot his views of his parents, our work were an assertive and intelligent bunch (you had to be, for our job) and they spoke out. And while I did have my hands tied, I put pressure where I could (e.g. it was revealed he didn't tip service workers, like ever, so I--perhaps passive-aggressively--made a reminder to tip service workers part of our nightly announcements). Like, I genuinely think he didn't see a lot of these viewpoints before because super wealthy mostly white towns can be politically insulating. In the end, due to the constant intervening of coworkers, he felt proud to vote for Johnson instead of Trump which... is something? Maybe? I honestly don't know. And I think he finally started tipping workers? It's been too long and I had too many people to look after.
So what's my point? I don't know if I have one to be honest. I don't think it's incumbent on coworkers to correct their fellow coworkers views when they're problematic. But... the story felt relevant to the thread and I felt like sharing anyway.
Backstory. At my old job, I was part of the hiring committee. Interview processes aren't perfect, and two hours isn't always enough to determine someone's political leanings. Yes, if they came in with a MAGA hat we'd go through the interview only as a formality (we're part of a bureaucracy so stuff can happen) but it'll be a no. But not every Trump supporter has a MAGA hat. After this fact we learn this kid--well, Freshman--is one of those well-to-do comes from a wealthy family that always leans Republicans. Now, with someone who's a Freshman in college, there's room to believe for growth--I'm not going to think of a naive white Freshman the same way I'd approach an old right-leaning white professor like Pinker or Peterson; it's a huge red flag when we realized but not immediate crisis mode. Besides, there isn't much we can do; waiting for contracts to expire is faster than the firing process because bureaucracy. So while he did parrot his views of his parents, our work were an assertive and intelligent bunch (you had to be, for our job) and they spoke out. And while I did have my hands tied, I put pressure where I could (e.g. it was revealed he didn't tip service workers, like ever, so I--perhaps passive-aggressively--made a reminder to tip service workers part of our nightly announcements). Like, I genuinely think he didn't see a lot of these viewpoints before because super wealthy mostly white towns can be politically insulating. In the end, due to the constant intervening of coworkers, he felt proud to vote for Johnson instead of Trump which... is something? Maybe? I honestly don't know. And I think he finally started tipping workers? It's been too long and I had too many people to look after.
So what's my point? I don't know if I have one to be honest. I don't think it's incumbent on coworkers to correct their fellow coworkers views when they're problematic. But... the story felt relevant to the thread and I felt like sharing anyway.
Let's make this easy.
If you were an employer would you hire Trump? If not, why would you hire someone who supports him?
If you were an employer would you hire Trump? If not, why would you hire someone who supports him?
So you're basically trying to get him fired or put him in a situation where he receives more pressure than others because of what you know about his views, but not in a way that is explicit?
Kind of like a nudge nudge wink wink please realize you're not wanted here?
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I can understand why small town workers, in industries that are dying out, would be angry and be susceptible to someone even addressing their issues, even in this case with a charlatan that fed lies.
They have the right to express these problems. I wish they understood how corporations and distribution of wealth to a small number of people is to blame. They are getting played, with their false saviors promising a solution that no one will seriously work on.
But when Trump called undocumented workers "criminals, rapists, thieves"
THEY HAD AN OUT
When Trump promoted violence at his rallies to a black protestor
THEY HAD AN OUT
When Trump couldn't denounce Charlottesville white supremacist neo-nazis.
THEY HAD AN OUT
When he started questioning our intelligence services and basic structures of government
THEY HAD AN OUT
When they put children in cages
THEY HAD AN OUT
There is so many of these.
It's like a Twilight Zone episode that is testing how long someone could possibly stay supporting someone like this, except we all have to experience it.
By all means support a different candidate, one that will say they are focused on small town development, that isn't racist if you want.
They have the right to express these problems. I wish they understood how corporations and distribution of wealth to a small number of people is to blame. They are getting played, with their false saviors promising a solution that no one will seriously work on.
But when Trump called undocumented workers "criminals, rapists, thieves"
THEY HAD AN OUT
When Trump promoted violence at his rallies to a black protestor
THEY HAD AN OUT
When Trump couldn't denounce Charlottesville white supremacist neo-nazis.
THEY HAD AN OUT
When he started questioning our intelligence services and basic structures of government
THEY HAD AN OUT
When they put children in cages
THEY HAD AN OUT
There is so many of these.
It's like a Twilight Zone episode that is testing how long someone could possibly stay supporting someone like this, except we all have to experience it.
By all means support a different candidate, one that will say they are focused on small town development, that isn't racist if you want.
Yeah but Trojita what about the coal industry, trump said he was going to save it
These are both ridiculously naive takes. The division has existed since America's inception, and it has been caused by racism. You can directly trace genocide to slavery to slave patrols to the southern strategy to Lee Atwater's genius move to obfuscate racism as "fiscal responsibility." It is the movement of hatred that has always caused this "divide." We don't need to "meet in the middle," we need to let those fuckers know that their politicital alignment is not welcome anywhere, and we will starve them financially if they want to side with child abudcting white nationalists. I don't give a shit how good grandma's stuffing is or whatever else shit you have to support that.
Edit: I'm not saying it is my right to know who the applicant voted for, but if I knew, I would not hire them
I guess the real question would be, if you agree to hire a Trump supporter does that mean you agree to everything that Trump represent?
I guess cases can be made for both yes or no, depending on the context.
I guess cases can be made for both yes or no, depending on the context.
I was referring to equal opportunity policy. Otherwise I wouldn't want to risk hiring an HR nightmare, especially if the workforce is diverse.
If you have the privilege to make the right choice and not invite that into your workforce but you do anyways, and knowingly, maybe,
You assume that simply because they voted for Trump, as tens of millions of people did, that they are automatically deemed "an HR nightmare"?
Of course not , especially if you hired based on their abilities to do the job. Which is what you should be hiring for anyway.
Well unfortunately not everybody agrees in what is 'the right choice'. Some would argue that so long as they're capable and not intrusive, then it would be okay. Some would argue that a harsh 100% ban is the way, regardless whether the person is able or not.
I never said that.
When I said I'd rather see him grow as a person, I mean that. Within a supervisor role, my options are limited; I can't force someone to not vote for Trump no matter how unethical I think voting for him is. But I'm not going to pretend that people's political views are necessarily benign things, that they don't impact how fellow coworkers interact or how they work together. If he says something problematic, and his coworkers call him out on it, that's his problem (and by extension my problem since I'm his supervisor). If he came running to me, I'd give him a tough love response. And it's a dynamic that worked; as I said, he wasn't terribly wedded to his views as much as he was isolated from others.
As an aside, tipping is different. I can defensibly put a reminder for people to tip their waiters as long as it's not a requirement to work (it never was nor intended to be). But having pressure on people where a common courtesy is included like that can help normalize practices, I think.
In the end, he wasn't fired (or had his contract expired) but left when he moved for educational reasons. None of us found him to be an unbearable problem, but it was... something.
It largely comes down to a couple things for me: are they qualified for the job? Yes/No. If No, do they seem capable of learning the job (if it's a position that can be trained)? Yes/No. If Yes to either of the two questions, will they be a good fit to the team? Yes/No. If my team is strongly liberal (or on the other hand, largely apolitical in the immediate workplace) and the person I am looking to hire is a loud, proud, staunch Republican and Trump supporter who wears it on their sleeve (literally in some cases), will I hire them? ...in that specific case, most likely not, because they wouldn't fit with the team and work culture and are very likely to cause conflict, which will decrease productivity, working conditions, etc., etc.. Political alignment is never something that's *directly* considered in a hiring decision, BUT if said alignment is going to cause issues with the team, then that's gonna be a no.
You're asking this when you can't even believe tens of millions of people are racist? In America?
Well since you said 'your hands are tied, but you put pressure where you could' so I thought you put pressure specifically to him because of what you know of his belief and that the others don't like him, i.e if he's well liked by the others because his belief is more in line with them then you would be more lenient to the dude.
If they're qualified for the job, yes. If they talk about or act upon their beliefs at work in a way that's problematic, you can fire them.
You shouldn't not hire someone based on their political beliefs. The foot can be on the other shoe at some other point. I know some of you will say you don't want to work for someone who's right-wing anyway - but many people don't have the luxury of picking and choosing their workplace.
You shouldn't not hire someone based on their political beliefs. The foot can be on the other shoe at some other point. I know some of you will say you don't want to work for someone who's right-wing anyway - but many people don't have the luxury of picking and choosing their workplace.
Honestly, it's my personal preference that I wouldn't want to work with a Trump supporter, and I would also want to look out for the work environment for my current coworkers. At this point, anyone who still supports him is a bad person to me, given all the shit this administration has been pulling. However, if I were hiring for an actual company in an actual real scenario, like many others here, I would follow the hiring policy set in place and assess them based on their resume and interview. But this isn't the real world, it's a video game forum so I couldn't really give two shits.
But ok, you got me. You've exposed that the liberals are the true bigots, or both sides or just as bad, or whatever you were going after with your grandstanding.
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Aw. Muffin. Pointing out that you make hiring choices based solely on the fact their opinion doesn't align with yours isn't grandstanding.
EVERYone supporting trump is supporting these things and enabling them.
This may be hard for you to understand, but supporting someone who causes harm like this makes you complicit in that harm.
That's it. Fact. No excuses.
So much hate in this thread. I've worked with people who voted for trump \ conservative and have had very good experiences with them for the most part. Wouldn't call them racists either. Couple of nurses I worked with would go the extra mile to help a lot of the minority patients. And they brought in food for the employees a lot. They were actually pretty great great to have around cause they really helped boost the camaraderie between the employees.
I am 100% not a Trump supporter, but in no way shape or form would I become a hypocrite in answering no to this question. I find it disgusting people that people are judged for things like their race, religion, and sexual orientation. What better would I be as an employer if I didn't hire anyone who didn't support the same political stance as myself. I see people calling Trump supporters bigots, but isn't what the OP is saying he'd do as an employer is by definition the same thing?
Im myself livin in democracy country, so every person is entitled to their political statuette. I myself wont interfere it unless they are proven to be part of hate speech, etc.
Of course. Best man/woman for the job gets it. Anyone who says otherwise has never been in the position to hire anyone.
That said, I would not tolerate political talk at work. If they are too pro-trump (or anti) in what they say, then forget it.
That said, I would not tolerate political talk at work. If they are too pro-trump (or anti) in what they say, then forget it.