It's scary reading a lot of these responses. Deciding whether or not to hire someone based off of who they voted for is wrong. There are so many other better ways to tell if a person is suited for the job or is right for the company.
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If you were an employer, would you hire a Trump supporter?
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People go back and forth politically over time. I'm sure some of the people who voted trump in16 may of voted Obama in 12. Perhaps next election they pick someone else?? I hope whoever is the next president can bring the country together, there's too much polarization in this country.
There are plenty of folks who would refuse to hire someone who was LGBT, or black. You can't change your orientation or your skin color. Supporting evil is a choice, I would feel good about denying a Trump supporter a job if I had a non-Trump supporter who met qualifications, even if the Trump supporter was somewhat more qualified.
I would not do this to a standard Republican- only Trump supporters/supporters of fascism in general, because Trump is irredeemably evil and obviously so. Bush might have been a bad president, but I don't think he was trying to be evil the way Trump does.
I would not do this to a standard Republican- only Trump supporters/supporters of fascism in general, because Trump is irredeemably evil and obviously so. Bush might have been a bad president, but I don't think he was trying to be evil the way Trump does.
Depends on what kind of employer I am. If I work for a large company, sure. As long as they aren't outwardly harassing other employees. If I'm running a small business where I have total control, no. I'm picking who I want to work with
A trump supporter isn't necessarily a bad person or a bad employee. The odds are stacked against you if you do support him in MY opinion because, to me its blatantly obvious that he is racist and a bigot and certainly not qualified to be a leader. BUT I know some people who defend him, claim that he isn't racist etc with whom I have very long debates/arguments with. However, they are great people and my friends (and are 'minorities') and they may be very well suited for a job I am employing for so why discriminate on that basis?
You're entitled to refuse to hire a trump supporter I guess but the arbitrary 'no' that people have posted on here suggests to me that a lot of you are more close-minded than you think.
You're entitled to refuse to hire a trump supporter I guess but the arbitrary 'no' that people have posted on here suggests to me that a lot of you are more close-minded than you think.
I wouldn't know if he is one before hiring him. It's none of my business.
There's people who've been working for me for over 15 years and I have no clue about how they vote.
There's people who've been working for me for over 15 years and I have no clue about how they vote.
It's not that scary when you consider that most people here are not anywhere close to being an employer.
I work in construction project management. If I couldn't hire Trump supporters I don't know what I would do.
Also, Trump supporters and Mexicans work together daily on my site without issue so some of you have a lot of growing up to do.
Also, Trump supporters and Mexicans work together daily on my site without issue so some of you have a lot of growing up to do.
You do realize that Trump is pretty much following the Republican playbook?
The Southern Strategy
Welfare Queens
The lack of response to Hurricane Katrina
Tax Cuts for the rich
None of this started with Trump. He just wears his bigotry on his sleeve and doesn't talk in dog whistles.
One of the worst things Trump did was make people believe that he is somehow completely different from past Republican Presidents. Its why I doubt America will achieve any real progress, because after eight years of Democrat rule, its likely a "Standard Republican" like George Bush or Ronald Reagan will get into the white house and continue to make things worse for minorities. But in a more polite, standard way of course.
I become more and more convinced by the day that the majority of people don't really care about what Trump is doing, but how he does it and the out spoken manner in which he announces his racist plans.
It probably wouldn't.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...w-he-did-among-whites/?utm_term=.2ad845c7c72f
25 million or so women voted for Trump, if you take that 42% figure as accurate
The kind that would go to his rallies, aka his super fans, no because that kind of person is going to be in everyone's face about Trump to an unhealthy level. They will be very likely to be a dick to numerous amounts of demographics, so I don't want to deal with that PR nightmare. The average Trump supporter would be fine as long as they can keep their politics at home.
Same here. As long as everyone is respectful and follows the rules, their political affiliation shouldn't be relevant.
It's also not right to assume just because they're Mexican or have ties to Mexico they can't be Trump supporters. Anectdotal, but I know many from Mexico who are pro Trump.
I don't know how this information would reveal itself organically in an interview or something, but if I knew it I would not because I just don't believe that a person who supports Trump has any kind of moral compass
But trump supporters are dumb trash so how can they possibly be the best for the job
If I'm an employer I'm going to have a diverse set of employees/work force and that's not conducive to hiring someone who is, at best, perfectly ok with racism and discrimination based on gender and sexual orientation.
So, no.
Fuck Trump supporters (including those of you on this site).
So, no.
Fuck Trump supporters (including those of you on this site).
Said it ages ago in the same thread but if you can't discern whether the candidate would be a fit by any other means other than political ideology, the problem rests on the hiring manager and not the candidate pool.
I've done hundreds of interviews over my career. Never asked once about political affiliation because frankly there's no need. All these feared traits that fall under the umbrella of "Trump supporter" would be plainly evident just through a normal conversation.
I hire for the best fit within my team. I have no trouble finding huge numbers of candidates who meet the technical qualifications to work here. I want the one that fits my team dynamic.
I've done hundreds of interviews over my career. Never asked once about political affiliation because frankly there's no need. All these feared traits that fall under the umbrella of "Trump supporter" would be plainly evident just through a normal conversation.
I hire for the best fit within my team. I have no trouble finding huge numbers of candidates who meet the technical qualifications to work here. I want the one that fits my team dynamic.
Yes..
Now if someone were to start talking about Trump or any political ideology in an interview I would immediately jump to the conclusion they will be disruptive to the work environment. I'm sure I work with plenty of Trump supporters but I don't know or verify because you NEVER talk politics in the workplace unless you want conflict and/or wasted time.
Now if someone were to start talking about Trump or any political ideology in an interview I would immediately jump to the conclusion they will be disruptive to the work environment. I'm sure I work with plenty of Trump supporters but I don't know or verify because you NEVER talk politics in the workplace unless you want conflict and/or wasted time.
So long as there political life doesn't interfere or affect the work world in any way.
No problem with it
No problem with it
Knowingly providing a living to someone who chooses to be hateful is wrong.
No, a Trump supporter is absolutely a bad person.
Even if they're not racist/sexist/homophobic/xenophobic themselves, they've decided to support someone who is.
That makes them a bad person.
Thank you. A lot of people are showing their asses in this thread and acting like they're not being complicit in this hypothetical.
I worked with a Wilders supporter for years, I hated his political views but he was great at his job.
But I don't ask a persons political view in an interview anyway.
You're ignoring what that vote and continued support says about you as a person. It's NOT just a difference of opinion. Everyday there is some new horrid shit that comes from him and it's like "that's your boy?" The problem isn't us, the problem is you don't see the problem. This thread is scary for the amount of indifference being sold as "being fair". And fuck anyone that calls it discrimination without even an ounce of irony.
I'm not ignoring that. What you fail to realize is that if we start hiring people based off of their personal beliefs no on is going to hire anyone. Most people don't agree on everything, especially politics. What you and others are suggesting is that it would be ok to not hire someone based off who they voted for. Don't you see that slippery sloped Another company could not hire someone because they think another way. This is why we have rules and regulations setup so things like this don't happen. You should not talk about politics at work and you should not hire/not hire someone based off their politics unless it explicitly related to the job. If they are truly a shitty person then that will come out in the interview or in the work place and they will not be there much longer anyway.
Listen I don't agree with Trump at all but in order to protect ourselves we have to play by the rules even if it isn't always in favor of our personal beliefs. Let me give you a personal example because I actually am a hiring manager. Two things you don't talk about at work are politics and religion, right? Well I happen to be an atheist. I don't agree with religion, I personally think it does a lot of harm to people and that it's not a great thing. I hire religious people all the time and honor their religious obligations because it's the right thing to do and it's the law. It doesn't matter what I personally think. If a guy like me only vetted people that thought like me I would be turning down amazing candidates and would be a bigot for doing so. I also would have a terrible time filling the position. Also people can change and adapt their point of view. There's plenty of people that voted for Trump that now regret it. Just turning people away will only further push them into an echo chamber and not help them see why diversity matters and mature their opinion.
Would you hire a svastika-wearing nazi or a pedophile ?
Or someone who believes in what ISIS teaches? But oh wait, that's terrorism - but this particular brand of white nationalism (aka terrorism) isn't!
So what's the scenario here? Am I suppose to imagine a person interviews with a Swastika T-Shirt and pronounces he is attracted to small children? Does that sound like something realistic to you? I would not know these things about the person unless they had committed a crime. In that case if they were convicted of either a hate crime or charged with acts of pedophilia then no, that would not fly at my job in the background portion so it wouldn't even get to me. If we hired someone not knowing these things and they started showing up to work with swastikas on their shirt and talking about liking little kids then they would be fired as that's a clear violation of the workplace I'm at.
We are getting a bit off the topic here though. My core point is that the reason why it's not a good idea to hire someone based off of who they voted for is to protect you as well. It may seem like a good idea when the politics fall in your favor but what happens when they don't? A lot of good people could miss out on a great opportunity because they don't see eye to eye 100% on politics and most people don't. For instance the person you voted for could line up but then let's say you're pro-choice and the person you're looking at to hire is pro-life because of their religious beliefs and is actively fighting against abortion rights. Now what do you do? It just doesn't work and should be left out of the workplace and interview process altogether.
Ah yes, those topics do come up in job interviews all the time.
And both are illegal, voting for Trump isn't.
But trump supporters support nazis and pedophiles so where do you draw the line
When will people understand that "I don't believe transgender / gay people have the right to exist" is more than just a "personal belief" or "political belief"
We can't let hateful ideologies hide behind the false idea of "I just have a different opinion than you"
Anyone in this thread who says they would knowingly hire a person like this is naive
The point is that you don't know these things when you hire them. You're opening up a can of worms that would get out of control. See my previous post about the abortion example.
The premise of the thread is that you magically just know. It's right there in the OP.
Everyone hiding behind the idea "it wouldn't come up in an interview" is a coward.
Nope theyre hateful pieces of shit even if it isnt explocit that i wouldnt want them anyone near the rest of my employees if given a choice. I would also think they are complete idiots with no critical thinking. Unfortunately we dont have that magic power and I do think that it is still out of bounds to ask political questions
I like how you have an ad hominem comment at the end of each of your latest posts. Real constructive. And to answer you the OP just simply knowing who they voted for is not enough information if I'm going to play "god" and make a moral judgement. Some people may have been tricked into voting for him because they work in a blue collar industry and have been unemployed looking for work. I think that person was sorely mistaken but not necessarily a bad person. Others my just be a straight up racist in which case I would decide against hiring them if I was the all mighty mind reading hiring manager. In the real world it doesn't work that way though which Is what I was talking to a few people about in this thread. It's also the more interesting discussion in my opinion as it's a real scenario and not imaginary. Perhaps a separate thread is needed if I want to discuss that.
If you genuinely think anyone was "tricked" into voting for Trump you are extremely misguided.
I would seriously hope my hiring practices/interview questions would be able to figure out if the person is horrid before voting is even brought up.
So no. Why would want anyone who could enable the type of shit Trump's brand of politics represents?
I would like women to feel safe in the workplace for instance.
So no. Why would want anyone who could enable the type of shit Trump's brand of politics represents?
I would like women to feel safe in the workplace for instance.
White supremacists are everywhere and also are sometimes a minority.
I mean it's very unethical to not hire based on that, but at the same time if they brought up that they're a trump supporter in an interview I'd be like... "why? why would you say that?" There would probably be other red flags in that case.
Just a standard republican? Sure. Most republicans I know are really good people... help out at homeless shelters, give to many charities, do Habitat for Humanity stuff, and just generally volunteer their time for their community all the time. They just want the government out of all of that and put it on the people to do it. I now a few scumbag republicans but the good heavily outweigh the bad, so I think I'd definitely hire a regular republican as long as they're a good person.
Just a standard republican? Sure. Most republicans I know are really good people... help out at homeless shelters, give to many charities, do Habitat for Humanity stuff, and just generally volunteer their time for their community all the time. They just want the government out of all of that and put it on the people to do it. I now a few scumbag republicans but the good heavily outweigh the bad, so I think I'd definitely hire a regular republican as long as they're a good person.
It's not possible to be a Trump supporter and a good person. And I certainly wouldn't want to subject other employees or the company to the level of ignorant, banal evil that all Trump supporters embody.