PS5 and next Xbox launch speculation - Post E3 2018

Aokiji · Sep 25, 2018

VX1 said:
Matt.We discussed that last week extensively,search for those posts.

Matt said:
You mean, this year?

that's the only post i see from him referencing a 2019 release for PS5. And nothing in that post makes it look like he's placing all his eggs in a 2019 basket

Apex88 said:
I'm perfectly prepared to listen to arguments for '19 or '20.

But someone's going to have to answer what on earth Sony are going to show at Paris '18, PSX '18, E3 '19 and beyond. You can shuffle the chairs and obfuscate for one, maybe two, shows. As they did at this year's E3. But questions will be asked if nothing new of substance is shown. All the talk will be PS5 whether Sony like it or not. More so if the conferences are cancelled.

the simple reason for this is games. who is making launch games for PS5 next year? cross-gen first party as your launch games is a surefire way for people to wait on buying a ps5. all devs are a year or less from releasing new games right now. and next year they will be two. you mean to tell me they had entire PS5 games being built concurrently with the huge PS4 games they dropped between 17-19? it just doesnt make any sense for 2019. nothing about that year makes sense. we still have 4 major 1st party games to release next (allegedly for some). Days Gone, Ghosts of Tsushima, TLOU2, Death Stranding. All these games are going to release and a new console with it's own exclusive launch lineup? the logistics just dont add up for 2019. This gen is close to lasting as long as the last but the feel is not even close to the same, not only because of the Pro/X but because the first party output has people waiting for more.

BitsandBytes · Sep 25, 2018

Aokiji said:
people *still* think new consoles are coming out next year

Its funny because I've been doing this for much of this page! (though mostly caused by me driving in central London today, but still).

Alcohog · Sep 25, 2018

Classicrock78 said:
But will there be a ps5 pro,or xbox 2x halfway its life cycle?

I'm having a difficult time justifying it if BC will be the norm since moving to the x86 architecture. I'd buy one though and Sony knows it, so probably.

VX1 · Sep 25, 2018

Aokiji said:
that's the only post i see from him referencing a 2019 release for PS5. And nothing in that post makes it look like he's placing all his eggs in a 2019 basket

We can all draw our own conclusions.

Aokiji · Sep 25, 2018

VX1 said:
We can all draw our own conclusions.

yea but you said you extensively discussed it. that's 4 words he posted

BitsandBytes · Sep 25, 2018

Aokiji said:
yea but you said you extensively discussed it. that's 4 words he posted

Come on...! VX1 said 'we' (the people here/us) discussed it extensively. Matt is a man (or machine!?) of few words but however vague his words, you listen. I do anyway until he's proven demonstrably wrong (which AFAIK he never has been).

Deleted member 43 · Sep 25, 2018

Aokiji said:
that's the only post i see from him referencing a 2019 release for PS5. And nothing in that post makes it look like he's placing all his eggs in a 2019 basket

I'm not.

2019 was the plan for a long time, but things can and do change. I'm not promising 2019.

anexanhume · Sep 25, 2018

The point of consoles is to generate profit. With subscription service revenues, this generation of consoles is generating profits in a way that we've never seen in prior generations. A new console doesn't help hardware makers generate more profit. They immediately shrink their audience and margins to be competitive.

A new console doesn't help developers. It shrinks their consumer base and increases their development costs.

New hardware is a response to market fatigue. Whether that's consumers abandoning the platform and jumping ship to PC or simply slowing their spend because they've lost enthusiasm, we don't have signs we're near that point yet. Thus, the goal of releasing hardware now is simply an attempt to prevent your competitor from doing the same and claiming market share from you. It's also to address the part of the market that has generation fatigue, but the evidence isn't strong that's a significant factor in play right now.

BitsandBytes · Sep 25, 2018

Matt said:
I'm not.

2019 was the plan for a long time, but things can and do change. I'm not promising 2019.

Well there it is. Thanks Matt.

Now to wait.

Cyclopsfire21 · Sep 25, 2018

Matt said:
I'm not.

2019 was the plan for a long time, but things can and do change. I'm not promising 2019.

He has spoken!!!

Aokiji · Sep 25, 2018

Matt said:
I'm not.

2019 was the plan for a long time, but things can and do change. I'm not promising 2019.

.

VX1 · Sep 25, 2018

Matt said:
I'm not.

2019 was the plan for a long time, but things can and do change. I'm not promising 2019.

Thank you Matt. I hope we will get some new info in the coming months.

Deleted member 5764 · Sep 25, 2018

Matt said:
I'm not.

2019 was the plan for a long time, but things can and do change. I'm not promising 2019.

Thanks Matt! Interesting to hear that 2019 has been the plan. As you said, things can change though. I'll take solace in the idea that if nothing else, 2019 was a plan at some point.

Falcon511 · Sep 25, 2018

If its 2019, we should hear about ps5 dev its soonish.

Kyoufu · Sep 25, 2018

anexanhume said:
Keeping the Switch 2 talk alive, the new Carmel CPU cores from Nvidia are beasts:

https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=nvidia-carmel-quick&num=1

I like how one of the CPUs in that benchmark is called Potato. That's some impressive stuff from Nvidia though.

Aokiji · Sep 25, 2018

Falcon511 said:
If its 2019, we should hear about ps5 dev its soonish.

wouldve heard about them by now considering the games would be launching in like 13 months

DriftingSpirit · Sep 25, 2018

As a member of Team2020, I am rather shook right now.

DieH@rd · Sep 25, 2018

Aokiji said:
wouldve heard about them by now considering the games would be launching in like 13 months

But that kind of devkit deployment not happen last gen. Devs got devkits arround GDC [march], and the console was out ~6 months later [not counting launch game development ofc]. This time, when all games are based on X86, there will be even less rush.

Kyoufu · Sep 25, 2018

DriftingSpirit said:
As a member of Team2020, I am rather shook right now.

I wouldn't be shook yet. TDK's report of MMLC shortages means it could slip to 2020, so chances are that even with a 2019 plan it may not actually come out in 2019.

SilverX · Sep 25, 2018

BitsandBytes said:
Well there it is. Thanks Matt.

Now to wait.

Exactly what I said in our last exchange lol. I can say the PS4ś continued ¨even better than we expected¨ sales performance and first party delays may be a big tip that the PS5 will be launching 2020

BitsandBytes · Sep 25, 2018

DriftingSpirit said:
As a member of Team2020, I am rather shook right now.

Team2019 forgives you. Come join the dark side.

Sid · Sep 25, 2018

Matt said:
I'm not.

2019 was the plan for a long time, but things can and do change. I'm not promising 2019.

Do you think we'll know for sure by this year's end?

grosbard · Sep 25, 2018

Matt said:
I'm not.

2019 was the plan for a long time, but things can and do change. I'm not promising 2019.

VX1 · Sep 25, 2018

BitsandBytes said:
Team2019 forgives you. Come join the dark side.

Yeah,at least some satisfaction for us in #team2019

Deleted member 5764 · Sep 25, 2018

Aokiji said:
wouldve heard about them by now considering the games would be launching in like 13 months

You: "Lol @ people who expect consoles next year"

Matt: "2019 is the planned release year for PS5. I can't promise that for sure because obviously things can change"

You: "Lol, I told you guys that 2019 isn't happening"

Bunkles · Sep 25, 2018

Matt said:
I'm not.

2019 was the plan for a long time, but things can and do change. I'm not promising 2019.

VX1 · Sep 25, 2018

Burdmayn said:
You: "Lol @ people who expect consoles next year"

Matt: "2019 is the planned release year for PS5. I can't promise that for sure because obviously things can change"

You: "Lol, I told you guys that 2019 isn't happening"

LOL

Sid · Sep 25, 2018

Fall 2020 is just too far away and that extra year could slow down PS4's sales and would also leave room open for MS to release early, still think it's gonna be 2019....

BitsandBytes · Sep 25, 2018

VX1 said:
Yeah,at least some satisfaction for us in #team2019

Yeah I got run over here and elsewhere with my Bink "find"! Now it just might well be connected....

dobahking91 · Sep 25, 2018

What are the advantages of a fall 2020 launch over spring 2020 tech wise ?

I think spring 2020 would make more sense if 2019 was/is the plan.

Deleted member 36493 · Sep 25, 2018

Obviously he can't "confirm" 2019. He also can't "confirm" 2020.

Deleted member 135 · Sep 25, 2018

No PSX this year means PS5 reveal next Feb/March and release in November.

Sid · Sep 25, 2018

dobahking91 said:
What are the advantages of a fall 2020 launch over spring 2020 tech wise ?

Same advantage which spring 2021 has over fall 2020, cost.

Radical_Ed · Sep 25, 2018

Aokiji said:
that's the only post i see from him referencing a 2019 release for PS5. And nothing in that post makes it look like he's placing all his eggs in a 2019 basket

the simple reason for this is games. who is making launch games for PS5 next year? cross-gen first party as your launch games is a surefire way for people to wait on buying a ps5. all devs are a year or less from releasing new games right now. and next year they will be two. you mean to tell me they had entire PS5 games being built concurrently with the huge PS4 games they dropped between 17-19? it just doesnt make any sense for 2019. nothing about that year makes sense. we still have 4 major 1st party games to release next (allegedly for some). Days Gone, Ghosts of Tsushima, TLOU2, Death Stranding. All these games are going to release and a new console with it's own exclusive launch lineup? the logistics just dont add up for 2019. This gen is close to lasting as long as the last but the feel is not even close to the same, not only because of the Pro/X but because the first party output has people waiting for more.

Ok, let's follow this line of though for a moment. All these games are being baked for, what, four years? inFamous is a 2014 title, so, five years? So what. We wait until 2023 for the studios to catch up? We wait until 2022 for the studios that launched this year to be able to be there for the PS5?

Or...

Or Sony launch with less ambitious titles done in less time for the famelic user base that the start of every generation usually have and drop the bombs a little later. Everyone in my country is going to buy the PS5 to play FIFA 2020 anyways, why waste a God of War (five years in the making, remember) there?

VX1 · Sep 25, 2018

SG-17 said:
No PSX this year means PS5 reveal next Feb/March and release in November.

Is this confirmed?

Deleted member 5764 · Sep 25, 2018

VX1 said:
Is this confirmed?

Not quite. Sony hasn't said anything about PSX for 2018 and it's making some people crazy.

SilverX · Sep 25, 2018

Burdmayn said:
You: "Lol @ people who expect consoles next year"

Matt: "2019 is the planned release year for PS5. I can't promise that for sure because obviously things can change"

You: "Lol, I told you guys that 2019 isn't happening"

To be fair, Matt is not confirming it is releasing next year just that it has been a target year for a ¨long time¨. There are various factors that could signify there is a good chance it will in fact release later (like Q1 2020 even).

No side is right until Sony officially announces the console

Aokiji · Sep 25, 2018

DieH@rd said:
But that kind of devkit deployment not happen last gen. Devs got devkits arround GDC [march], and the console was out ~6 months later [not counting launch game development ofc]. This time, when all games are based on X86, there will be even less rush.

PS4 dev kits went out in 2012

Burdmayn said:
You: "Lol @ people who expect consoles next year"

Matt: "2019 is the planned release year for PS5. I can't promise that for sure because obviously things can change"

You: "Lol, I told you guys that 2019 isn't happening"

he said was, not is. ;)

Radical_Ed said:
Ok, let's follow this line of though for a moment. All these games are being baked for, what, four years? inFamous is a 2014 title, so, five years? So what. We wait until 2023 for the studios to catch up? We wait until 2022 for the studios that launched this year to be able to be there for the PS5?

Or...

Or Sony launch with less ambitious titles done in less time for the famelic user base that the start of every generation usually have and drop the bombs a little later. Everyone in my country is going to buy the PS5 to play FIFA 2020 anyways, why waste a God of War (five years in the making, remember) there?

why would you need to wait until 2023? it's much more plausible to believe PS5 launch games that were in gestation since at the earliest 2016 (around when dealing with Pro) are going to be ready for a fall 2020 launch than 2019 after they released said games a year or 2 before 19. it also follows that again you think they are going to release those 4 major tentpole games the same year as a new console?

dobahking91 · Sep 25, 2018

Sid said:
Same advantage which spring 2021 has over fall 2020, cost.

Well it's obvious =P

I'm just wondering if there is new AMD tech that won't be ready before Q3 2020.

grosbard · Sep 25, 2018

SG-17 said:
No PSX this year means PS5 reveal next Feb/March and release in November.

Is no PSX confirmed?

Trago · Sep 25, 2018

Matt said:
I'm not.

2019 was the plan for a long time, but things can and do change. I'm not promising 2019.

Deleted member 5764 · Sep 25, 2018

SilverX said:
To be fair, Matt is not confirming it is releasing next year just that it has been a target year for a ¨long time¨. There are various factors that could signify there is a good chance it will in fact release later (like Q1 2020 even).

No side is right until Sony officially announces the console

Oh no, I definitely get that. I don't think Matt's statement here confirms anything aside from 2019 being the plan initially. That's still pretty big news for folks like myself who think 2019 made sense.

Aokiji said:
he said was, not is. ;)

You're trying to spin this to make a point, but no. Matt's wording here does not say that 2019 is off the table. He does say that 2019 was planned initially. He does not say that it isn't happening now. Either 2019 or 2020 are still likely at this point.

Aokiji · Sep 25, 2018

Burdmayn said:
Oh no, I definitely get that. I don't think Matt's statement here confirms anything aside from 2019 being the plan initially.

You're trying to spin this to make a point, but no. Matt's wording here does not say that 2019 is not happening at all. He does say that 2019 was planned initially. He does not say that it isn't happening now. Either 2019 or 2020 are still likely at this point.

im not spinning anything. you changed his words not me. he said 2019 *was* the plan. and things change. i never said he said it's happening or not happening in 2019. i simply he didnt put his eggs in one basket, which he confirmed, he did not

VX1 · Sep 25, 2018

Burdmayn said:
Oh no, I definitely get that. I don't think Matt's statement here confirms anything aside from 2019 being the plan initially. That's still pretty big news for folks like myself who think 2019 made sense.

You're trying to spin this to make a point, but no. Matt's wording here does not say that 2019 is not happening at all. He does say that 2019 was planned initially. He does not say that it isn't happening now. Either 2019 or 2020 are still likely at this point.

Late 2020 is so far away that frankly i can not imagine we will have to wait that long for PS5...just no.

Deleted member 5764 · Sep 25, 2018

Aokiji said:
im not spinning anything. you changed his words not me. he said 2019 *was* the plan. and things change. i never said he said it's happening or not happening in 2019. i simply he didnt put his eggs in one basket, which he confirmed, he did not

"I'm not spinning anything"

*Proceeds to spin

See ya later pal

DieH@rd · Sep 25, 2018

dobahking91 said:
What are the advantages of a fall 2020 launch over spring 2020 tech wise ?

Only that TSMC will have better 7nm yields. Not a single tech will magically get available if they wait for 2020, everything can be taped out in 2019 [7nm/Ryzen/Navi/GDDR6/HBM2/storage/separate chips/interposer approach/etc].

Well, stacking big and hot APU chips one on another could become available, but let's not kid ourselves, that would be too big of a megaton.

BitsandBytes · Sep 25, 2018

Aokiji said:
im not spinning anything. you changed his words not me. he said 2019 *was* the plan. and things change. i never said he said it's happening or not happening in 2019. i simply he didnt put his eggs in one basket, which he confirmed, he did not

So you're say that it "was" the plan, then it changed (to 2020 presumably) and now Matt tells us about 2019 but really means 2020?

I go ly dow I think...

OnPorpoise · Sep 25, 2018

Matt clarified, hurray for news of any type.

If 2019 is still on the menu, we should get more and more rumblings like this... which will be very very welcome.

spookyghost · Sep 25, 2018

Aokiji said:
PS4 dev kits went out in 2012

To be fair PS4 was a change in architecture from PS3. PS5 won't be and the transition should in theory be far smoother for devs.

Also thanks Matt, was starting to sweat as I've been predicting 2019 since the Pro released. It can slip and come out whenever now and I'll be happy with my estimations.

Ste · Sep 25, 2018

Announced next year and released 2020.

Intel core I5 1080 maybe 1080ti equivalent in amd technologies with 12 gig or ram of gddr6.

Not a massive difference in power levels between the 2 but xbox streaming device to shock everyone.

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