Nope. I'm not. If the author is right, they're right. However, I'm not going to blindly jump on anything without having all the facts. I'm not one to let someone else think for me, regardless of the topic.
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VG247: Valkyria Chronicles 4’s sexual harassment problem is unacceptable in 2018 (READ OP)
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To be fair, I can understand it a bit since when people say that, they mean they want the experience that is released on Japan in the west without any cut. But at the same time, the argument itself is a bit poor considering that it's a work of hundreds of people with different positions and it's complicated to define this without actual information from the staff (people in most cases will presume that on the director, producer or a known staff member tho)
My Japanese isn't great, but even I realized at the "I'd swab her deck" line, comparing it to the spoken Japanese, that it was something the localization made up. I have no idea why the English version is written this way, and I wish it weren't.
Which is not to say Raz isn't a problematic character even with his lines accurately translated, but the localization dialing it up to 20 makes no sense to me.
Which is not to say Raz isn't a problematic character even with his lines accurately translated, but the localization dialing it up to 20 makes no sense to me.
How strange I want to have an informed opinion on the matter, right?
So I got 3.2 tonight.
Raz is a bad person.
I'll elaborate further later but...thus far, the game wants you to relate to him like you would a loveable pitbull, one that eats your shoes and shits on the floor and barks at anything that moves...but he's actually a bad person that only stops doing bad shit when you remind him he's a bad person.
Raz is a bad person.
I'll elaborate further later but...thus far, the game wants you to relate to him like you would a loveable pitbull, one that eats your shoes and shits on the floor and barks at anything that moves...but he's actually a bad person that only stops doing bad shit when you remind him he's a bad person.
It's a pretty goddamn open and shut case here.
Watch the video in the OP
its a precarious situation. One one hand, you have these people who want the game boycotted so that fewer people support it. on the other hand, how are you supposed have an honest discussion about something serious when youre not even given enough time to go through it yourself.
People who never cared for game will obviously not even care for spoilers if it supports their argument but how do you expect people playing the game to argue in good faith if youre supposed rush to conclusions.
I'm glad you feel that's the case. I truly am.
I'm not going to form an opinion on it until I'm more informed of the situation. I should be amazed so many people seem to have a problem with that, and yet, I'm not.
No one wants input from someone who is being willfully ignorant.
It's a game I had intended to play anyway, which at least gives me personally even less of a reason to rush to conclusions. If I play the game and what the author said ended up being the case, then good on them. I can't have an informed opinion either way at this time though.
"I don't want input from someone who doesn't agree with me"
You can't agree or disagree with me because you refuse to have an informed opinion.
You mean I refuse to blindly jump to conclusions which seems to really bother you. It's okay if you do, I won't.
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well given the overall atmosphere in the thread that's how it came off to me
Having played through these sections now, it's clickbait garbage. Raz is mocked, scorned and turned down by the women he comments on (though actual punishment would have been welcomed). Later he's outright punched in the face by the victim and mocked by the entire squad for getting beat up after the ass-grabbing incident. Even the "no guy's got an ass this tight" line makes sense in context--Still entirely inappropriate, of course, but it does have context. Not that I'm condoning this kind of content be in games, but it's absolute rubbish from VG24.
I can't say I've played enough to give a proper view on any sort of overall and overtly sexist tone, but there haven't been any major red flags for me yet. I'll gladly eat crow and correct myself if the steady theme throughout changes, but the game doesn't strike me as any more or less appropriate for now. On a somewhat related note, there's a transgender group member at the start that seems represented well (so far).
I can't say I've played enough to give a proper view on any sort of overall and overtly sexist tone, but there haven't been any major red flags for me yet. I'll gladly eat crow and correct myself if the steady theme throughout changes, but the game doesn't strike me as any more or less appropriate for now. On a somewhat related note, there's a transgender group member at the start that seems represented well (so far).
Of course not, its politicans routinely blame women for every problem and downplay rape, its businesses treat women like garbage (as women are not supposed to work after having kids, and since women are seen to be only good for having kids in politicans eyes...), and the japanese idol industry makes gamers(!), the group unironically demanding devs to work for free and the group that continuously freaks out about women existing in games, look untoxic.
That's not a sign of things being fine. japan doesn't care because it's a deeply, deeply sexist society which, ironically, causes a lot of their issues, such as the lack of children.
Valkyria itself doesn't influence much, but it contributes to a trend in recent japanese media to continue to dump shit on women. See other media (like Darling in the Franxx). If a society is so deeply entrenched in regressive attitudes, stuff like this leaks out. That a lot of gamers lap it up isn't a surprise, either. We've seen the recent fauxtroversy over total war, among many others, to know there's still plenty of fertile ground there.
Yep, let me base the whole game on a two minute video. The article makes it seem like a much bigger part of the game than that two minutes.
As I said, I'll have an opinion after I've played the game instead of jumping to conclusions. It's up to you if that's what you want to do, but as I've said, I won't.
Not problematic enough to really care too much about though. That's the part of Japanese society that really sucks - people are generally apathetic to anything that rocks the boat or draws attention to uncomfortable stuff. They might not agree with something on a personal level, but most will also never make a fuss about it or will turn away when faced with something troublesome. It's something that permeates the entire society - from government and politics, to the workplace, all the way down to shopping and public transportation.
The fact that you're more concerned with the article than the actual content of the game couldn't be more transparent.
Ironically I found the upskirt trope to be way more stereotypical and obnoxious than the in-context ass grab. They even set that up with a bullshit scene of how that character got to design her own uniform, as if that makes it okay.
Nobody's basing their opinion of the whole game on a two minute video. The content of that two minute video is so shitty that the rest of the game cannot possibly make up for it. You're only fooling yourself. If that.
There are many other videos in this thread but since it's obvious you'd rather wallow in ignorance you do you.
Am I missing something? Did the localization also animate this butt grab scene? Why do people think that this is any better in the Japanese version?
The fact that I want to see the content of the game myself first means I'm not concerned about the content of the game? That's a neat interpretation.
Seems like basing an opinion of the whole game off a two minute video is exactly what you're doing.
Yep. So ignorant I want to see it all for myself instead of basing my opinion off a two minute video.
As I said before, I should be shocked that people have a problem with the fact that I want to be more informed before having an opinion on this, but I'm not.
Hmm, I'd say it's possible but difficult to portray believably. You can grow from "ass grab good" to "oh shit ass grab was never good I'm terrible please forgive me" but probably not as a fantasy WW2 anime character in the span of one game.
Except this very thread has had several videos, screencaps, and firsthand impressions from people with more than enough troubling content to warrant the article, even if doesn't concern you personally.
People were talking about Raz's habitual sexist comments, which is more flagrant in the NA version.
Yar, and even if they did, it'd be pretty hard to make it an actual satisfying growth that doesn't feel like "yeah, no shit Sherlock".
And this very thread also people who have played the game and disagree with the article, or did you ignore those posts?
The article gives the impression this is a theme and problem throughout the game. Is that the case? Have you personally played through the full game to know for a fact, or is it just a couple of screenshots and a 2 minute video you're basing your opinion off of?
Then watch the damn video so you can see it for yourself. It's not some outrage take from a youtuber, it's actual footage from the game, same as multiple other videos in this thread. It's clear you don't actually care to be more informed or else you'd watch what everyone is posting. It's not like these are some major turning point in the plot with lots of spoilers, it's literally just fanservice scenes that add nothing to the game.
Jesus Christ the bolded. Is all it takes for you to ignore criticism a handful of people who disagree with what's going on? How do you feel about threads where dudes say game sexism doesn't matter because their girlfriend/wife say it doesn't, while there's a flood of people who are calling it out?
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What I've seen is enough to put me off the whole game, yes. It doesn't have to occur in every single cutscene and mission for it to be a problem. Just because your tolerance for sexist bs is high doesn't mean everyone else is wrong.
Ah right, I missed the hot springs thing. Now that is a bunch of inexcusable bullshit that's not appropriate in any context whatsoever and it's a complete embarrassment, and I'll make no effort to claim that's "okay." The VG24 samples? On a scale of 1 to Persona series rampant homophobia, I rate "hardly worth consideration."
Don't see "Japanese culture" being an adequate excuse, even in Japanese anime/anime-heavy games I've seen/played, the ass-grab seems pretty out of place.
I mean, I don't agree with this point but banning posts like this doesn't exactly foster debate and just promotes this place becoming an echo chamber.
I mean, I don't agree with this point but banning posts like this doesn't exactly foster debate and just promotes this place becoming an echo chamber.
I don't think "Oh look another misleading OP meant to drum up outrage so people who were never going to buy the game anyway can come in and get on their moral high ground by claiming they're not buying the game." is a comment that is intended to foster debate
Did you miss the part where it says they have a history of severe infractions?
would you care for some defrosted tits?
ive just noticed the MC laughing at raz's bullshit, wasn't he supposed to be the straight arrow jesus
VC4's dialog scenes don't typically feature realtime reactions. One person speaks, then their photo pauses, then the focus is moved to another photo. The MC is not reacting to what is currently being said in that screenshot.
I feel I should also point out that line is one of the localization's worst embellishments of what was actually said. The original line isn't anywhere near that lecherous:
Good to see straight up sexual assault ranks so low on your bullshit scale
That Raz guy is a creep. But he seems to be the only one featured in the screenshots, so I guess I'll have to judge the game by myself.
