PS5 and next Xbox launch speculation - Post E3 2018

Alandring · Sep 27, 2018

Kyoufu said:
My own prediction is that MS will want price parity with PS5. So they will both either be $399 or $499, but one won't be cheaper than the other. I say that because MS will try to be the market leader and that won't be possible at a higher price, even if they're more powerful. I could be totally wrong here but that's what makes the most sense to me.

I think next gen Microsoft will have a cheaper console than the PlayStation 5 (the streaming device) and a more powerful console (the next Xbox). I don't know if it's possible at the same price.

Jraphics Horse said:
And certainly looking at what Sony's original projections were for PS4 sales:
2016:20m,
2017:18m,
2018:16m,
2019:??m,
2019 looked very nice, or even necessary timing.

It's true, but 2018-2019 will be the best fiscal year of the PlayStation 4 ever. I think it can change something.

Benji · Sep 27, 2018

BitsandBytes said:
I'm amazed there hasn't been more chat from those that do know things. The build-up of Xbox One and PS4 had tonnes of insiders/friends of insiders talking. Not saying its always a good thing but there were a lot more talking.

The same silence/no rumours did occur with PS4 Pro but most think with that being only a mid-gen upgrade it was different but the same is now occurring with PS5.

It's because it is all still early honestly. Things at Sony aren't even finalized around the console overall

You aren't going to have someone who does this for a living come out and share a rumor or something they hear from a contact or 2. They are going to come forward when they have a large amount of definitive things to say

QuiteSomething · Sep 27, 2018

Hmmmmmmm
So if software is the reason then what can Sony give us in 2020 that they can't give in 2019? TLoU2, DS, GoT all are confirmed for ps4.
So we need some PS5 exclusives. And what studio will provide? GG? SMS? I don't believe that we will see sequels that soon.
Maybe some new 3rd party deal?

Deleted member 5764 · Sep 27, 2018

Software-wise, it does kind of make sense that 2019 might not be nailed down. I don't believe that Ghosts of Tsushima, Death Stranding, or The Last of Us Part II are confirmed for 2019 release yet are they?

Having those games as cross-gen titles with additional PS5 support seems like the best first party software lineup Sony could offer for a 2019 launch.

gundamkyoukai · Sep 27, 2018

Ruslnis said:
Hmmmmmmm
So if software is the reason then what can Sony give us in 2020 that they can't give in 2019? TLoU2, DS, GoT all are confirmed for ps4.
So we need some PS5 exclusives. And what studio will provide? GG? SMS? I don't believe that we will see sequels that soon.
Maybe some new 3rd party deal?

GG is the only one that might be able to get something out in 2020 .

BitsandBytes · Sep 27, 2018

Benji said:
It's because it is all still early honestly. Things at Sony aren't even finalized around the console overall

You aren't going to have someone who does this for a living come out and share a rumor or something they hear from a contact or 2. They are going to come forward when they have a large amount of definitive things to say

Sure I get that. Though if software is the main issue with well over a year until the end of 2019 I'd say that is pretty good going in as far as these things go (I remember Jason saying Microsoft were 6+ months behind on the software side last time round?).

I hope DF/Richard Leadbetter isn't sitting on too many scoops as, IIRC, Giant Bomb beat them to the punch with publishing PS4 Pro's internal dev documents.

dryz · Sep 27, 2018

Ruslnis said:
So if software is the reason then what can Sony give us in 2020 that they can't give in 2019? TLoU2, DS, GoT all are confirmed for ps4.

All those titles can slip to 2020 and PS5 would have the best versions. Even that would be enough for a strong start.

Bluepoint game will probably be ready. Maybe something from Sony Japan.

Adookah · Sep 27, 2018

Thanks Benji for the info!

anexanhume · Sep 27, 2018

Ruslnis said:
Hmmmmmmm
So if software is the reason then what can Sony give us in 2020 that they can't give in 2019? TLoU2, DS, GoT all are confirmed for ps4.
So we need some PS5 exclusives. And what studio will provide? GG? SMS? I don't believe that we will see sequels that soon.
Maybe some new 3rd party deal?

We need to start thinking of these titles as inherently cross-gen.

Deleted member 1326 · Sep 27, 2018

BitsandBytes said:
Sure I get that. Though if software is the main issue with well over a year until the end of 2019 I'd say that is pretty good going in as far as these things go (I remember Jason saying Microsoft were 6+ months behind on the software side last time round?).

I hope DF/Richard Leadbetter isn't sitting on too many scoops as, IIRC, Giant Bomb beat them to the punch with publishing PS4 Pro's internal dev documents.

I love when some site gets a scoop and then right after we get a lot of "hey we knew that too!" articles.

Deleted member 5764 · Sep 27, 2018

anexanhume said:
We need to start thinking of these titles as inherently cross-gen.

Agreed!

Schmitz said:
I love when some site gets a scoop and then right after we get a lot of "hey we knew that too!" articles.

I mean... It makes sense in terms of reporting. We know that journalists get information like this all the time, but they also have to verify that information. Site A may be comfortable with a level of verification that site B isn't. In those scenarios, I know that the sites I follow will usually be upfront about that. Saying things like "we knew about this too, but weren't able to verify enough of the details to run it ourselves".

BitsandBytes · Sep 27, 2018

gundamkyoukai said:
GG is the only one that might be able to get something out in 2020 .

They are very efficient and will have had virtually 3 years to do Horizon 2 on a already fleshed out engine and likely a story ready to go.

Plus:

RaD's new game as that still hasn't been announced but been in dev since late 2015/early 2016 so must be next/cross gen
Japan Studio/Mark Cerny game

That would already be more than PS4 from first-party launch. They could then tease/show other stuff like the new San Diego studio game, GT7/Sport 2, Marvel game, QD etc over the course of next years game conventions.

Benji · Sep 27, 2018

Schmitz said:
I love when some site gets a scoop and then right after we get a lot of "hey we knew that too!" articles.

Pulling the trigger when you are a reputable website is a scary thing. You gotta make damn sure your contacts are totally lined up and no one is bull shitting you or plans have changed. You can have a proven contact somewhere that either lies to you purposely or misleads you accidentally for various reasons.

I'm not a website or someone that makes a living sharing what I know. I dont even share 5-10% of the things I hear within the industry. I slipped up today and oh well it's out there now.

anexanhume · Sep 27, 2018

Benji said:
Pulling the trigger when you are a reputable website is a scary thing. You gotta make damn sure your contacts are totally lined up and no one is bull shitting you or plans have changed. You can have a proven contact somewhere that either lies to you purposely or misleads you accidentally for various reasons.

I'm not a website or someone that makes a living sharing what I know. I dont even share 5-10% of the things I hear within the industry. I slipped up today and oh well it's out there now.

Can you answer in a broad sense what purpose there would be in informing retail partners at this point?

nolifebr · Sep 27, 2018

If software really is the key factor, I would not be surprised to see the console being released only in late 2020 or even early/mid 2021.
2021 could mean a console release with Horizon 2, Gran Turismo (7?), the new Bluepoint game and maybe God Of War 2 (if SSM really push it).

Saint-14 · Sep 27, 2018

Are we talking about software from their first party or third? If it's the first then PS5 will probably be 2020, I doubt TLoU and Death Stranding will be ready for next year.

QuiteSomething · Sep 27, 2018

gundamkyoukai said:
GG is the only one that might be able to get something out in 2020 .

Do you think that 3 years is enough for a Horizon 2? I read they are expanding so you can be right

dresi said:
All those titles can slip to 2020 and PS5 would have the best versions. Even that would be enough for a strong start.

Bluepoint game will probably be ready. Maybe something from Sony Japan.

I think that people still need a great starting lineup of PS5 only games. Something to show of the tech.
Sony Japan? Knack 3 hype baby
Bluepoint is still a mystery. Maybe they are not working with Sony right now

anexanhume said:
We need to start thinking of these titles as inherently cross-gen.

I agree. With BC on the way. But they need at least solid PS5 only games for the start

gundamkyoukai · Sep 27, 2018

nolifebr said:
If software really is the key factor, I would not be surprised to see the console being released only in late 2020 or even early/mid 2021.
2021 could mean a console release with Horizon 2, Gran Turismo (7?), the new Bluepoint game and maybe God Of War 2 (if SSM really push it).

Sony need to get PD on lock down .
A new GT should come early in the life cycle .
They moving to GaaS so it would make sense to do one for the whole gen .

Ruslnis said:
Do you think that 3 years is enough for a Horizon 2? I read they are expanding so you can be right

Don't know would depend on what they want to do with it .
Still out of all Sony devs there only one that can get pure next gen game out in 2020.

QuiteSomething · Sep 27, 2018

Saint-14 said:
Are we talking about software from their first party or third? If it's the first then PS5 will probably be 2020, I doubt TLoU and Death Stranding will be ready for next year.

Any exclusive SW. 3rd party deals like BB for example

Deleted member 36493 · Sep 27, 2018

Benji said:
Yeah since I didnt edit in time and posted when I really shouldn't have I'm here now so might as well respond

This was all I was saying. I'm not going to sit here and claim I know all the plans behind the PS5 initiative, because well I dont. But I am familiar with a few things and while I have contacts in the industry I dont have near the range someone like Jason does. So basically, if in nearly October Jason still doesn't know much of anything around it (which by now I'm willing to bet he does) then its more just his contacts specifically not sharing that information with him I'm assuming. Because word is floating around now. I'm assuming you will start seeing some pretty big rumors not a short time from now.

I mean, there is already a non small amount of next gen titles well into development

Just curious, are the next-gen titles that are well into development mostly sequels or a mix of new IP and sequels?

gundamkyoukai · Sep 27, 2018

Saint-14 said:
Are we talking about software from their first party or third? If it's the first then PS5 will probably be 2020, I doubt TLoU and Death Stranding will be ready for next year.

I can see ND getting TLOU out late next year .
That would be 3 years give or take and they normal very efficient.
Still i expect all 2019 games to get port to PS5 any way with extra stuff .

Benji · Sep 27, 2018

anexanhume said:
Can you answer in a broad sense what purpose there would be in informing retail partners at this point?

Who said I got this information through the retail world?

Deleted member 1326 · Sep 27, 2018

Benji said:
Pulling the trigger when you are a reputable website is a scary thing. You gotta make damn sure your contacts are totally lined up and no one is bull shitting you or plans have changed. You can have a proven contact somewhere that either lies to you purposely or misleads you accidentally for various reasons.

I'm not a website or someone that makes a living sharing what I know. I dont even share 5-10% of the things I hear within the industry. I slipped up today and oh well it's out there now.

Yeah, it's just funny to me. Although it must suck so bad too on the other end. Having that kind of information but not being able to verify it on time before someone else does.

Saint-14 · Sep 27, 2018

gundamkyoukai said:
I can see ND getting TLOU out late next year .
That would be 3 years give or take and they normal very efficient.
Still i expect all 2019 games to get port to PS5 any way with extra stuff .

Shawn at PSX before revealing it said it's very early in development, I'm not sure if that's enough time with the way ND likes to make everything perfect.

Benji · Sep 27, 2018

Tonky said:
Just curious, are the next-gen titles that are well into development mostly sequels or a mix of new IP and sequels?

I've already said way more than I should tbh. Not gonna comment about anything else

BitsandBytes · Sep 27, 2018

I'd like to know what is the realistic cut-off point for a delay to 2020? I mean if 2019 is currently still a go then they will have to reveal it by the end of February I would have thought or by E3 if they really had to?

Or could they really do 2 months like with Pro?

ETA: Damn Sony/ResetEra ninja's got him....:(

nolifebr · Sep 27, 2018

gundamkyoukai said:
I can see ND getting TLOU out late next year .
That would be 3 years give or take and they normal very efficient.
Still i expect all 2019 games to get port to PS5 any way with extra stuff .

The major studios from Sony already have the technical part ready fot next-gen. Almost everyone spent some (good) time revamping their engines in this gen.

Naughty Dog is already doing TLOU2 on their updated engine; Santa Monica spent years working on the engine to finally make God Of War (Barlog said that the main content was made in 3 years, and they had to leave several technical features out because the lack of time); The Decima Engine will already be very different in Horizon 2 with the help of KojiPro. Polyphony also spent some time upgrading their tech...

So, 3 to 4 years of development should be enough for these studios.

Kyoufu · Sep 27, 2018

BitsandBytes said:
RaD's new game as that still hasn't been announced but been in dev since late 2015/early 2016 so must be next/cross gen

That's still veeeeery early in the concept stages atm, plus from what I hear Sony aren't publishing it.

Deleted member 36493 · Sep 27, 2018

I feel that 2019 has gone back to being a pipe-dream.

BitsandBytes · Sep 27, 2018

Kyoufu said:
That's still veeeeery early in the concept stages atm, plus from what I hear Sony aren't publishing it.

After 3+ years? Seriously? Sad to hear Sony won't be involved.

Kyoufu · Sep 27, 2018

BitsandBytes said:
After 3+ years? Seriously? Sad to hear Sony won't be involved.

They've shipped two games (or more?) since The Order, yeah.

QuiteSomething · Sep 27, 2018

BitsandBytes said:
After 3+ years? Seriously? Sad to hear Sony won't be involved.

After Order - I'm not surprised. And I want a sequel for it

RevengeTaken · Sep 27, 2018

Benji said:
I've already said way more than I should tbh. Not gonna comment about anything else

You can just hint bro and you already said you're under no NDA. Do you know anything about the specs? yes or no please.

RoboPlato · Sep 27, 2018

BitsandBytes said:
After 3+ years? Seriously? Sad to hear Sony won't be involved.

The Order tanked critically and commercially. I would be more surprised if RaD's next project was with Sony than not.

BitsandBytes · Sep 27, 2018

Kyoufu said:
They've shipped two games (or more?) since The Order, yeah.

I'm mainly basing it on this article from June 2016 (a long time ago!): https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/...cts-on-the-order-1886s-successes-and-failures

Deleted member 36493 · Sep 27, 2018

Rocksteady's project could be next-gen, no?

TheTruthofKayle · Sep 27, 2018

thuway said:
The big issue with 12 TF is that if you start making games at native 4K you've almost completely wiped out the entire boost given to you by the increase in teraflops. So effectively, you could have native 4K, or you could still checkerboard and try and do much higher fidelity visuals.

What issue ?
Basically the X is capable of 4k gaming with nowdays graphics and have just 6tf with an old architecture gpu
You could play easily 4k (native) 30 fps games with all the next gen graphics you want with a Zen Navi 12tf 16gb console
Stop with this

DMVfan123 · Sep 27, 2018

Tonky said:
Rocksteady's project could be next-gen, no?

Feel like both Rocksteady's project and Avengers are cross-gen at least

Philippo · Sep 27, 2018

Sony games i could see for a PS5 launch in Fall 2020 up to Year One

-Horizon 2
-Japan Studio new game (maybe even 2, a big one and a small one)
-GT7 or GT7 Prologue
-Quantic Dreams second project
-Possibly Sony San Diego, SSM (which is not only GOW team iirc), Sony London, Manchester Studio, Pixelopus
+ the inevitable cross-gen games and remasters

I feel like Sony is gearing up already much more than what many are expecting (in terms of hardware, software, OS and services).

anexanhume · Sep 27, 2018

Benji said:
Who said I got this information through the retail world?

Your tag is "Sales insider". I assumed, but a denial is info in itself I suppose.

RoboPlato said:
The Order tanked critically and commercially. I would be more surprised if RaD's next project was with Sony than not.

They've said they're going to continue to work with Sony, I believe.

thuway · Sep 27, 2018

TheTruthofKayle said:
What issue ?
Basically the X is capable of 4k gaming with nowdays graphics and have just 6tf with an old architecture gpu
You could play easily 4k (native) 30 fps games with all the next gen graphics you want with a Zen Navi 12tf 16gb console
Stop with this

You would have a ridiculously anemic jump in fidelity of they were to render at 4K. Double the horsepower doesn't mean a thing if your trying to render 4K. The X1X does a good enough job but it doesn't do 60 FPS 4K and the limiting factor is not just the CPU but the GPU

They need to stick with 1440p / checkerboard and go for the highest fidelity possible

Jraphics Horse · Sep 27, 2018

RevengeTaken said:
You can just hint bro and you already said you're under no NDA. Do you know anything about the specs? yes or no please.

Don't do this

RevengeTaken · Sep 27, 2018

thuway said:
You would have a ridiculously anemic jump in fidelity of they were to render at 4K. Double the horsepower doesn't mean a thing if your trying to render 4K. The X1X does a good enough job but it doesn't do 60 FPS 4K and the limiting factor is not just the CPU but the GPU

They need to stick with 1440p / checkerboard and go for the highest fidelity possible

1440p / checkerboard 60fps is almost as demanding as native 4K 60fps dude.

Jraphics Horse said:
Don't do this

Why not? We're almost 1year away till PS5 releases and have to start that fucking hype train. We need those hints from reputable insiders llike Benji and jason.

Deep Friar · Sep 27, 2018

Jason and crew will start the train when ready.

TheTruthofKayle · Sep 27, 2018

thuway said:
You would have a ridiculously anemic jump in fidelity of they were to render at 4K. Double the horsepower doesn't mean a thing if your trying to render 4K. The X1X does a good enough job but it doesn't do 60 FPS 4K and the limiting factor is not just the CPU but the GPU

They need to stick with 1440p / checkerboard and go for the highest fidelity possible

next gen is not about 60 fps ...nor it will the gen after the next

Jeffram · Sep 27, 2018

Benji said:
Fuck it

Also from what I understand the 2019 vs 2020 debate has nothing to do with hardware really. If Sony wanted to push for Q4 2019 launch they can. Its primarily a software / business decision as far as I'm aware

Given that the PS4 was a big success with mediocre exclusives like shadow fall and knack while the switch had big success launching on the back of a cross-gen botw, I would hope that sony would realize big budget aaa exclusives aren't the be-all-end-all of system launches. Drop PS5 in 2019, and if you absolutely need to hold on to software like TLOU and do a cross-gen release.

Benji · Sep 27, 2018

It's not just about 1st party software

3rd parties need to have games ready as well. You cant launch a console with no software

thuway · Sep 27, 2018

There also needs to be some sort of tangible visual improvements so people want to move towards next gen.

BitsandBytes · Sep 27, 2018

Benji said:
It's not just about 1st party software

3rd parties need to have games ready as well. You cant launch a console with no software

Obviously, but then again if 2019 has/had been the plan all along then Sony would have at least indicated to those third parties that was the plan? Then the usual AC/BF/COD/FIFA yearly games will be there.

Given the HW transition this time round will be the easiest/smoothest ever for devs then it should be one of the "easiest" to pull off.

Like I asked earlier though, surely the point of no return is very close if not already past for 2019 by now if software is in question?

Deadlast · Sep 27, 2018

anexanhume said:
Your tag is "Sales insider". I assumed, but a denial is info in itself I suppose.

They've said they're going to continue to work with Sony, I believe.

Not all sales is retail. Business to Business is a sales function too. :)

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