I wonder if MS could push to Spring 2020 and we get a simultaneous launch. I think that's was Sony would be risking if they do early 2020.
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PS5 and next Xbox launch speculation - Post E3 2018
- Thread starter Phoenix Splash
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I doubt they're going to release TLOU 2 before PS5 is out. If in theory the PS4 version is ready to go 6 months before PS5 they would just wait for the PS5 and make this their Zelda BOTW cross-gen equivalent.
But if PS5 does indeed release in 2019 then I believe Ghost of Tsushima to be that game (with TLOU2 in 2020).
They don't have a studio ready to provide a big launch 1st party PS5-only exclusive this time (assuming 2019) and I doubt Sony will release anything AAA in 2020 either that's not cross-gen.
Yep.
PS4 was announced in February
TLOU was released in June
PS4 was released in November
TLOU remastered was released the year after.
I just think it is logical to presume that Sony will try to repeat ( if possible,of course) exactly the same thing that worked for them so well this gen: announce in Feb/March and launch in November 2019.
I think 2018-2019 will be the best year ever for the PlayStation 4, but I don't think it's related to Fortnite. 2018-2019 is a year with God of War, Detroit, Spider-Man, Red Dead 3, Call of Duty Black Ops IV and an amazing Q4. How can this not be the best year for a console ?
After that, sales will obviously slow down, but they still have The Last of Us Part II, Death Stranding and Ghost of Tsushima. I think it's enough to keep strong sales until 2020.
Horizon 2 at launch, Spider-Man 2 and God of War in the first year. 2 AAA by year since the beginning of the generation.
I'm so damn curious as to what the timing would be like here if PS4 isn't out in Fall 2019. Surely revealing PS5 before Holiday 2019, but not releasing then would effectively kill the PS4 Pro. Slim would take a lesser hit in sales, but the concept is just strange to me.
For Nintendo it made sense, but that's because the Wii-U was already dead by that holiday.
For Nintendo it made sense, but that's because the Wii-U was already dead by that holiday.
If 2019 has been in the running for a long time, shouldn't Sony have planned their studios for that? Why is software just now becoming an issue (enough to cause a delay)?
If we're talking first-party titles, Sony has been pretty consistent this gen with not rushing their biggest games.
Frankly,i can not imagine they want to skip entire 2019 holiday season PS5 sales.
Unless,of course,there are some tech/logistic problems.
Who's saying software is an issue? Everything will be cross-gen until 2021 across the industry including Microsoft.
There's no huge paradigm shift in how games are engineered for this upcoming generational shift. Architecturally the PS4 & PS5 will be very similar besides large performance differences (improved balance between CPU & GPU and HDMI 2.1 as baseline is the real leap).
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It's not just software
I've said numerous times. It's a blend of hardware, software, and business / financial. All 3 need to be a go
Only in Japan, was a PlayStation home console released in a Q1. March 2000 for PS2 and February 2014 for PS4.
In North America, it was
(Late Q3) September 9th, 1995 for the original PlayStation
(Q4) - October 26th, 2000 for PS2
(Q4) - November 17th, 2006 for PS3
(Q4) - November 15th, 2013 for PS4.
(Q4) - November 10th, 2016 for PS4 Pro.
PS3 retro compatibility wont happen because of it's weird ass architecture, unless trough streaming or software emulation, but i wouldnt count on it.
Ps4 BC seems obvious though
They don't need every 1st party game to be ready on release. But they could do what Nintendo does with the Switch, and stagger 1st party PS5 games so they come out every three or four months in 2020.
Don't be so sure about that. Zen is a powerful CPU it can emulate Cell with ease.
What a bummer that it won't release in 2019. Have you heard anything about PSVR2? Does it make sense to launch it day-and-date with PS5 or should they be spaced a bit?
As a PSVR owner I'm really curious about what's in store for us next.
This has been my thinking basically forever. WHENEVER a PS5 is launched, it will sell out (unless there are some SERIOUS issues with the system). Combining likely bonanza sales periods of launch/holiday seems almost cannibalistic in some sense as you can have two GIANT periods of sales instead of just one. The "hardcore" will sell this thing out at launch even if a robust library and some features are missing (see the Switch as a perfect example of this.)
From a strictly business standpoint, I'd give the PS4 one last hurrah in holiday 2019 and then basically follow the Switch's release/reveal pattern as just revealing shortly after the holiday season and releasing it soon after. Sure, there'll probably be a myriad of leaks, but that's going to happen regardless. A "spring-ish" release likely gets them out in front of whatever Xbox's console will be and gives about half a year or so of time for the software to "cook" and be ready over an earlier holiday release.
Theres a lot of questions I'm getting I dont know the answers here to. I'm not going to pretend to know more than I do.
I've pretty much shared everything I can. I know people are thirsty for strong details but you are going to need someone like Jason to dig those up as I do not have access to that sort of information
I've pretty much shared everything I can. I know people are thirsty for strong details but you are going to need someone like Jason to dig those up as I do not have access to that sort of information
The desktop version might be able to but I 'm not so sure about the laptop variant...
Laptop variants are just downclocked. There's no fundamental difference in the CPU.
Watch PS5 be a repeat of the PS3 where it's announced at E3 for the following spring, and then officially delayed to November in the new year.
Yeah but PS4 has also been selling better they anticipated? Maybe they could try do what switch did and release it same time frame 2020?
This is what I was thinking too. This could work better than 2019 Q4 release imo
I think the PS5 and the new Xbox will be at most a season apart (3-4 months). But yes we will see
Man... That'd be one hell of a way to kill PS4's momentum!
If i remember well that happened because there were serious problems with blu-ray diode for ps3,it was brand new technology.
I could see ps5 holiday 2019 and an Xbox 2 reveal in the Nov 2019 XO if they do that again. And a spring 2020 launch with Halo Infinite, like May 2020.
Not saying it's likely but I could see it
Could you give an example of a 'business' reason why PS5 couldn't make Q4 2019? PS4 doing too well, still working on retail partnerships, etc?
I find it very interesting though that Shawn Layden did confirm that not only Days Gone slipped into 2019, but Dreams as well. These first party delays seem to be only further extending the PS4´s life so they could easily pull off another strong year of sales without a new console launch.
I think it would be one launches in November, the other launches in March since those are proven months for hardware launches
I'd just like to play devil's advocate and say that Switch's reveal to release scheduled worked so well because the Wii-U was basically dead at that point. The initial reveal was also prior to the holiday season (October) with a full blow-out in January of 2017.
I'm not saying that Playstation couldn't also pull this off, but I do think the approach would be worse for PS4 sales. That is, unless they were to skip the initial reveal period and just do the whole reveal in January 2020, launch that Spring technique.
Days Gone has been Feb 2019 for months and Dreams has been strongly suspected to be 2019 but we were just waiting for the confirmation.
Im well aware, Days Gone is probably my most anticipated new IP. But Dreams delay makes it all the more interesting. I think these are mostly finished games strategically moved to bolster the PS4´s 2019 because it will be another year fully focused on it. I doubt it is simply the ¨Rockstar effect¨ as the next year is looking stacked with big releases as early as January.
I just can´t see Sony throwing a PlayStation Meeting in February with everything going on
Pitching my tent firmly in the 2019 camp:
- Sony issuing a lower than expected PS4 sales forecast for financial year 2018. This puzzled a lot of people because there was no obvious sign why and when sales would begin to flag. Rumor, ever increasing likelihood of leaks and an official invitation "to see the future" would have the desired effect.
- Financial chart omitting 2019. Wall Street Journal conjecturing--with good reason--this might be negative spend in view of PS5. "The next step, to crouch down so that we can jump higher." Sony openly remarking that PS4 is entering the final phase of its life cycle. Don't say they didn't warn you.
- Sony unwilling to increase production of PS4 Pro to meet demand. They know PS5 is around the corner and don't want the former to entirely cannibalize the latter.
- PS1 and PS2 were superseded after 6 years. PS3 only went 7 because of market downturn.
- Phil Spencer pre-emptively talking about next-generation Xbox hardware. Why do that. Why undermine the console you launched only 8 months prior for no good reason whatsoever? Spencer knows something large this way comes. A further intent to raise Xbox's profile during this phase (e.g. the unexpected return of X018).
- Sony have been acting conservatively for 18 months. E3 2017 was anti climatic, PSX 2017 lacked punch, and E3 2018 focused on known knowns. Sony are loading their guns.
- No desire to match Xbox One price drop. What would be the point when (1) people are prepared to meet a higher asking price (2) Sony can use the extra revenue to help subsidize PS5.
- There is no markedly new technology from AMD in 2020 that neither Sony or Microsoft with careful forethought cannot get from AMD in 2019. Therefore 2019 would be the perfect time to strike from a hardware point of view. If Microsoft delay, they would not be able to manufacture a significantly faster system one year after the competition without subsidizing the console to such an absurd and costly degree it would not be worth the investment. Sony can also obtain deeper component discount by being the only console manufacturer to guarantee their clients sales in excess of 100 million units.
James Stevenson unwittingly being photographed beside the first iteration of a PS5 dev kit.
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I think Sony reveals the ps5 in december 2019, with a march 2020 launch date. TloU2, Cyberpunk and Wild among the launch titles.
Since the original plan was 2019 I dont see it packing more than 10-12tf and a price of 399. The ps4 slim will probably get a permanent price drop to 199 in 2020. And I would bet we'll be seeing a ps5 pro next gen a few years later as well.
Since the original plan was 2019 I dont see it packing more than 10-12tf and a price of 399. The ps4 slim will probably get a permanent price drop to 199 in 2020. And I would bet we'll be seeing a ps5 pro next gen a few years later as well.
This is definitely true. I also wouldn't be surprised if there are similar leaks/small-scale reveals by Sony/others similar to what happened before the big blowout in January for the Switch that will also happen with Sony. For instance, I wouldn't be surprised if they casually just drop a line like "Death Stranding will also be available on our next platform" or something similar to what Nintendo did with Breath of the Wild.
I'd also say that the Wii-U being basically dead and then its successor exploding in sales in a non-tradition sales period is much more of an uphill battle than whatever the next Playstation would likely face. I really think Nintendo showed the others the "way" to launch a console. Getting crazy sales in March (or a non-traditional sales period) AND also recording mega sales during holiday is the way to go forward.
I imagine first parties got their target specs as early as the start of this year with first parties aswell as select third parties getting early dev kits before the end of the year if the plan is to launch in late 2019.
Me too. If I may add my "smoking gun" that was the Bink "secret platform" find. Damn I got slaughtered over that.
This is a normal sales contraction that happens after the 3/4th year in essentially every generation. It didn't puzzle anyone that's been paying attention.
It omitting 2019 gives us a lack of context for 2020's drop from 2018, meaning a launch could happen in either 2019 or 2020.
They are literally announcing new Pro bundles for every promotional release. They just announced RDR2 this week.
PS3 was delayed.
This is a consideration for Xbox, not Playstation.
This I mostly agree with.
Huh? They've been mostly lockstep in MSRP and bundle offering. Sony needs recurring revenue to subsidize PS5, not temporary windfalls. They get that by subscription revenues.
This is supposition. Based on public roadmaps, Zen 3 is a 2020 product, and the very nature of semi-custom means any progress in next gen GPU architectures could be rolled into a prior generation GPU. Exactly what happened on PS4 and PS4 Pro. Sony is not negotiating 100 million worth of units at a time.
Launching in 2020 could also greatly affect the RAM speed, amount, and prices paid. The way SSD prices have been going, the market will be very different there as well.
The spoiler pic tweet was regarded as a joke.
Yeah, I'm locked in 2019. But honestly I'd have been on 2020 just a couple hours ago and now I'm back in 2019.