I'm taking the train again. So I'm not that wasteful with my time.
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French rapper investigated for call to 'hang white people'
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I'm taking the train again. So I'm not that wasteful with my time.
Typical that you would also speak for what others might be doing
Yes, as someone with a family background which suffered by colonialism. I have special privileges and skills.
Lol, late game addition to the card deck! What does that have to do with you taking a train?
Or are you just being really sarcastic?
Dude is a dick head and I don't care what happens to him.
Dude also got what he wanted because he said fucked up shit and is now being talked about loads sadly.
White guy saying "hang black people " is different due to the fact history where nations like France fucked over Africans cus they wanted slaves. "Hang white people etc" is still fucked up.
For the UK stuff, UK is far more hating brown people than Polish. Brexit won on the the fear of immigrants and mostly more brown/black people coming here. Black/brown people are still very much treated worse than Polish people.
All the big nations fucked over Africans (black/brown people) not just the US. Too many Europeans don't see this.
Dude also got what he wanted because he said fucked up shit and is now being talked about loads sadly.
White guy saying "hang black people " is different due to the fact history where nations like France fucked over Africans cus they wanted slaves. "Hang white people etc" is still fucked up.
For the UK stuff, UK is far more hating brown people than Polish. Brexit won on the the fear of immigrants and mostly more brown/black people coming here. Black/brown people are still very much treated worse than Polish people.
All the big nations fucked over Africans (black/brown people) not just the US. Too many Europeans don't see this.
Guy literally did it, it wasn't also framed in a larger narrative.
So that's a textbook example of hate speech.
....Why exactly do you think a black guy would target white people in a rap song?
On the train? Here is a song for you to listen to
Also, imagine my shock that this was a subjectively failed attempt at a political message
I can't relate with people who wants to kill babies. So I don't know. But instead of being nebulous you can tell me how singing about such stuff can be framed in a, at least less, disgusting way.
This chain started with you saying "imagine being that guy"...so not specified at anyone. Then you went to "some people" are wasting their time, but not you, because you're on a train or whatever.
Then, the real kicker, you gave some really quite unnecessarily sarcasm about your history. I assume you're attempting to draw a comparison between black people having a different view of racism and you able to multitask by being both on a train and posting on this message board.
Who is that "guy"? Quote them, or report them.
Some of you don't even sound convinced by your own words.
After seeing the original video. He didn't even attempt to make a political message in that one video.
But he can sure try to use it as defense. France has freedom of arts laws. Makes one just wonder if the judge will believe it.
The lyrics to the song include: "I go into a nursery and kill white babies, catch them fast and hang their parents, quarter them to pass the time, entertain the black kids of all ages, young and old. Whip them hard, do it so that it stinks of death, and blood gushes."
It's like some people don't want to understand the issue with this. One lesson Europe learned from the holocaust is that you stomp out this kind of disgusting behaviour wherever you see it. Doesn't matter if it's not really "serious" or not.
Americans may not agree, but I'm pretty much done with looking at the Anglo-Saxon world for moral guidance.
Americans may not agree, but I'm pretty much done with looking at the Anglo-Saxon world for moral guidance.
why does this matter in this context though? most of these newer hate speech laws are specifically set up to be applicable across the board. they don't make exceptions for particular races or groups.
It's obvious that I'm talking about the rapper and the reply was about the rapper as well
You're dodging the question quite deftly by framing this as being about babies.
The lyrics don't target all babies. Just white ones. The lyrics are also sung by a black man.
Now why, in right-wing resurgence 2018, Nazis marching in the streets 2018, online interconnectivity 2018, would a black man make pointed rhetoric towards specifically white people?
It's just a mystery, I guess.
Only white ones... well. Yeah, that makes things better.
And I don't know why you are talking about the USA now.
I'm not talking about the law, of which France is being consistent with, which is A-OK. I'm talking about the emotional reactions to the lyrics and the disingenuous conflation between white nationalism and black nationalism in this thread. We're not about to play dumb here.
Black rage isn't an American-exclusive phenomenon, as is the case with a French black man going ham on white people.
People who only use the white nationalism (colonial history) against black nationalism are the ones who defend the guy and his lyrics.
The rest are only seeing it from the French hate speech laws perspective.
Maybe they're talking about the world in general? Not everything revolves around France.
Europe is experiencing some massive nazi resurgence as well.
Yeah, and here's the lyrics to a Cannibal Corpse song
Cannibal Corpse, known to be a metal band who's part claim to fame is indulging themselves in the offensive and brutal parts of the metal scene. Not known to be going around actually killing or raping women.
Offensive? Yes. A legal matter? Hahahahaha.
Nick Conrad, a black man ATTEMPTING to do some sort of political message seemingly related to lynchings and racism. Offensive? Yes. A legal matter? I'm ready to laugh again considering to me it's quite clear at worst he's subjectively failed at what he tried, but isn't actually endorsing or calling for white babies to be killed.
But we're certainly heading back to this
Are you and others going to stop clutching pearls or actually argue I'm good faith?
Europe is apparently free of far-right hysteria because they're not like the uncultured Americans. I should think of moving there.
Yeah, and here's the lyrics to a Cannibal Corpse song
Cannibal Corpse, known to be a metal band who's part claim to fame is indulging themselves in the offensive and brutal parts of the metal scene. Not known to be going around actually killing or raping women.
Offensive? Yes. A legal matter? Hahahahaha.
Nick Conrad, a black man ATTEMPTING to do some sort of political message seemingly related to lynchings and racism. Offensive? Yes. A legal matter? I'm ready to laugh again considering to me it's quite clear at worst he's subjectively failed at what he tried, but isn't actually endorsing or calling for white babies to be killed.
The lyrics aren't covered by the hate speech laws because they aren't target people solely on race, gender, or religious beliefs.
If the guys would sing about eating only black babies then it would be a case for hate speech laws.
Doesn't make much sense to discuss foreign topics from a purely American centric view. So this is okay because in America... isn't a point.
Quite a lot about violence towards a certain gender don't you think?
To which the band respond
I don't even like Cannibal Corpse, they're simply a useful example of how artistic freedom CAN cover offensive content and it's not always literal.
Nick Conrad tried to relay a political message by being offensive and one can argue how it succeeded or failed, but potentially giving the guy a criminal record over it when knowing the context remains laughable (IMO).
He's not actually a black supremacist or whatever name some online will now try and give him.
If I were you I'd at least try to be consistent with your invocation of hate speech. This is very clearly an incitement of sexual violence against a woman.
That is not what I said, read up on Europe and how the far right/racists are growing or becoming more upfront with their believes. This is not just a US thing, it is a world thing
There are two routes you can take with policies like this, you can have laws that protect specific groups against hate speech or you can have laws that ban hate speech outright without regard for context. Both are valid, both have problems.
If choosing the one that doesn't involve governments deciding who it's okay to be hateful towards is pearl clutching or bad faith then I don't know what to tell you.
People using colonialism are explaining why they're not impressed with white people being outraged as if any part of the world exists free of the influence of white supremacy.
I think it's evident from your exchange that he knows that. He just keeps dodging what you say because he can't face facts and somehow at the same time he wants to have the last word.
I do not believe this particular case is hate speech at all though. Like, there is a fundamental difference between this and shit like NSBM.
I'm not aware of their full lyrics of this or other songs.
But the quoted part wouldn't fall underhate speech laws in any countries with such laws.
Which isn't relevant for this case.
You're right, the guy that's talking about killing white babies is the real victim.Jesus Christ, some people on this board are insane.
Then at least not using US eccentric examples.
Not that any of this would make the lyrics not fall under hate speech laws for good reasons.
I've seen you in threads pertaining to black issues. You are the last person that should be throwing strawmen.
Again, like I've said several times he's not being judged because he called for violence, but because he used discriminatory and hateful rethoric.
Being "edgy" does not excuse hate speech in France, for the record.
Regarding your "lyrics". If others use discriminatory and hateful rethoric, I agree they should be subject to the same law and go to trial. I don't think an American Metal Band is a great example, though, much less one that has already gotten a ban in European countries.
This case is about France. If you don't want to talk about a topic that revolves around France, why are you posting here?
To be honest, it's quite galling that the self-proclaimed progressives of this board, who talk about colonialism and cultural appropiation and such being so anglocentric.
I can say the same thing about you and your views on white issues, like this one.You are defending a guy that's rapping about killing white babies.That says a lot about you.
There are issues in Europe as well, but people projecting the American issue of race on this topic are wrong.
Yes every country has racists, but no other country has the police shooting black people on the regular, putting them in jail over nothing for decades or had a civil war over slavery.
The specific view on race and black/white of America doesn't apply to the rest of the world, not even with colonies in mind, but people constantly project that view on any race related issue outside the US.
Again, I'm not saying racism in Europe and elsewhere doesn't exist, but it's a different form of racism, for example lot of times based on nationality instead of your skin colour and not even remotely as institutionalized as in the US.