He's switched to #dream2019 like the rest of us nutters. Well done Benj for accepting joy in to your heart.
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PS5 and next Xbox launch speculation - Post E3 2018
- Thread starter Phoenix Splash
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No.Reveal will be at special PS meeting,same like PS4 and Pro.I expect it in Feb-March period next year.
What is going on now? The flip flopping is giving me a headache.
Yeah that is just stupid. The whole article is a big pile of nothing
We knew already that was the case though. Not about Dreams, but certainly about Day's Gone.
I think Sony can do the same regarding other titles, delay them to 2020 to cover that void after the supposed delay of the PS5
What will the teams do meanwhile? Polish the game or start working on new projects?
But if we assume a 2020 holiday launch, Feb 2019, is way too soon. Matt said we would see PS5 before the end of 2019, and what else could they put in a PSX show anyways? got to be PS5 and some games for the thing right?
I think that you are right. And E3 media blowout with games from all the publishers that are willing to show their next-gen projects.
z0m3le How about launching during the 1H of 2020?
I don't believe for a second that we will wait till the end of 2020 for PS5.
I really don't know how what you wrote connects to what I wrote..I said I thought there would already be games in development at this stage(and according to Benji I was right),not that they will be announced soon.
Obviously,after reading both Jason and Benji's recent comments,the PS5 is a late 2020,not that I ever doubted that.
I'm sure media knew about Odissey. I knew about it around the time we moved to Era, and I know other people that knew.
I'm sure they know about lot's of stuff, they just don't have enough verification, or sometimes they rather hold on to the story in exchange of something, or whatever
I also think is not cool to leak stuff that can hurt the people working on the game so I'm sure sometimes they just choose not to leak it
Sounds like the same criticisms are about to hit next gen as well:
-not enough powa (even tho the small jaguar boxes continue producing the best graphics ever 5 years later)
-no next gen gameplay (never understood this but we got the Eyetoy, Wiimote, Kinect of this gen with VR)
Maybe there is something Sony and MS can do...
Basically, if we hear nothing by March, the 2019 camp had to give up.
I'm not giving up until 00:00 on January 1, 2020! #team19
Yeah, stuck with rubbish jaguar games like RDR2.
(I actually agree with you)
Late? What did I miss? I thought things were still up in the air, with expectations to be early/mid 2020 with mid/late 2019 reveal?
I don't even expect it in 2019 but I don't get why it would have to follow the exact same strategy as last time when Sony themselves talked about that launch feeling too long for this smartphone era.
They don't have to follow the same strategy but if not:
When/where/how do they do a full disclosure to developers?
With PS4 Pro they disclosed at GDC in March 2016 and everything leaked including the full documents within days albeit the game press were blindsided and confused initially.
That is why I can't see them trying to reveal after GDC in the calendar year again. It is also why I currently can't see a way they could release outside of November/December of any given year.
Well, we will not need that much better CPU in gen9 consoles [certainly not max clocked desktop Ryzens] if GPUs can finally start generating their own draw calls. That could free up CPU processing a lot.
This time around we will have several architecture changes that will strongly impact rendering performance. GPU drawcalls is one, another is very aggressive on-the-fly culling of geometry [not only for objects that are outside of the camera FOV, or too small to be rendered, but even vertexes that are on the other side of the objects, on the sides that camera cannot see]. AMD has hinted for a while about these kind of improvements, and they even included a lots of new things in VEGA, but in the end they did not turn those some of those features on in finished products [who knows why].
IMO, lower powered 8c/16t ryuzen with ~3ghz [AMD already has few of them for HTPC market] will be great base for nextgen games, especially if GPUs take some drawcall load off of them.
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I know and it is what I'm arguing as the most likely time to reveal PS5 without running the risk of leaks coming from wide disclosure from GDC before it as I just explained happened with Pro.
Oh I'm sure we'll hear something at gdc, but not necessarily a public reveal even if specs are going to leak.
Even better reason to reveal the PS5 at PSX 2019 then. you'd launch the console within the following 6 Months. I don't think launching outside of the Holiday season is that good of an idea though, I mean Switch would have benefited by launching Holiday 2016, if it had the launch titles available.
Benji has been deleting his posts like that before he even came over here (he is a US sales insider who posts/posted in the NPD threads). He does that for his own sake because of the info he is putting out.
Trust and believe, Team 2019 is still in shambles lol.
That scenario is also possible and in line with what Sony representatives (was it Andrew House?) said about applying Apple strategy. The problem is that Sony would have a pretty barebones E3 2019 with different publishers - and probably even Sony themselves - showing next-gen titles without talking about new platforms. Now imagine that MS says: "OK, guys, those shiny things you see here will be available on Xbox Two". Wouldn't that put Sony in a slightly awkward position?
I have to admit that I don't remember specifics, but hadn't Switch sold out during its launch? I'm quite sure that new software made with next-gen in mind will make new consoles fly of the shelves. And assuming that Xbox Two launches Holiday 2020, Sony would have half a year to prepare themselves and manufacture more units.
It's all theory, of course. I'm sure we will learn more in the coming month. Nevertheless, exciting times ahead!
I've not in any way suggested a public reveal at GDC!? I have no idea how you got that from my post?
The recent (now deleted) comments by Benji left zero doubt that the PS5 is not coming out in 2019. The late 2020 part is actually my prediction,because I don't think MS/Sony would launch a console not in the holiday season and frankly,If PS5 is not 2019 I don't see how a few months would suddenly make it possible for them to launch early 2020.
You lose 1 to 2 million units launching in the Spring vs the Holidays. Switch sold 2.74 Million units in March and only another 5 Million units for the following 6 months. Sony was able to sell 4.1 Million PS4 units during it's launch Holiday and it had sold out. If Sony had stocked 5 Million units? it would have sold 5 Million units. The problem with the spring season, retailers don't have the shelf space for that extra 2 million units, during the holidays they expand sales space to the floors and overstock for the holidays, heck it's possible to sell even more technically, as PS4 has cleared 8 million in a holiday season before. I'm not saying that Sony wouldn't launch during the Spring time, but it benefits them to have a big E3 and drop 5-6 Million PS5 consoles on retailers in November 2019 or November 2020, rather than 3 Million in Spring.
As we get closer to the ATSC 3.0 ramp (2020) 4k and 8K TV manufacturers as well as Internet providers are ramping support for the UHD generation.
Second, AMD is going to present at CES 2019 which is unusual.
AMD To Introduce World's First, 7nm, High-Performance CPUs and GPUs at CES 2019 – Aimed To Catapult Computing and Gaming Technologies Forward
In 2019, AMD will catapult computing, gaming, and visualization technologies forward with the world's first 7nm high-performance CPUs and GPUs, providing the power required to reach technology's next horizon.
During her CES keynote, Dr. Su and guests will provide a view into the diverse applications for new computing technologies ranging from solving some of the world's toughest challenges to the future of gaming, entertainment and virtual reality with the potential to redefine modern life.
UHD Generation = new more efficient codec, UHD depthmap for 3D and VR support for games and media results in 50% less overhead for 3D/VR streaming = a new UHD TV standard (ATSC 3.0).
Cord Cutters due to ATSC 3.0 will still want some of their favorite Cable stations. This is why multiple companies are getting into live streaming like Playstation Vue.
4K media will almost always be available only via IPTV streaming from the internet.
Results in:
Internet providers ramping up IPTV streaming support.
Better IPTV support enables game streaming
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Ah, so nothing 'new' then, I already knew it's now 2020 as a given. Depends on the reasoning for the delay, it's anyone's guess...it could just be whilst they wait for MS to show their hand, it could be because they always had 2 options (of hardware) and decided to go with the year later option.
Really?? Mmm why, indeed? He's not under any NDA.
So either he thought it was 2020 and he just found out it could be 2019, or it's still 2020 and someone told him to delete them because....reasons?
So what reasons could they be?
Ah sorry I was wanting to say we should hear something at gdc but not necessarily have a public reveal by gdc but I didn't use enough words. I think a gdc reveal would be interesting though!
Headless chicken, bunny in headlights, panic PMs comes to mind!
Only half joking!
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That makes a little more sense. I can't see a GDC reveal happening, though. That would be odd but I guess interesting too.
Sometime when you share info, you piss off your source and that source could have told him to delete them. I've seen it happen.
So the reason would be basically shelf space?
Yeah, it could be that, but in this case he's talked about multiple sources not having devkits and I guess multiple sources not knowing it would launch in 2019.
I mean he really hasn't said anything too specific, so I don't think most (if any) of his sources knows he is the Benji in Resetera.
I could be wrong but that's the feeling I got
It's good to remember that Benji was inferring the release date from the fact that he hasn't heard anything conclusive telling him otherwise. As I said before, that's bad science :D
Sorry, more what retailers are willing to buy. They will buy ~3 Million for a launch month in Spring and 5-6 Million for a launch month during the holidays. This means you can have a stronger start, and as I pointed out, launching during the Spring, the following 6 months, only saw the Switch sell 5 Million more units, however if they launched 4 months sooner, they could have sold ~10 Million units in total by the end of the 7th month (same time frame as Switch's 7.63M)
Yes, and as I say just above you nothing too specific or worth deleting either....weird
Ok, but now imagine you can't launch 4 months sooner, like it's the case with the PS5.
Would a 2020 spring release followed by the 2020 fall period, so essentially 2 soft launches, be much worse than just a hard launch fall 2020? And why?
Just want to understand so I can discuss it later with other people. Thanks!
The only benefit to launching in the holiday season is for faster install base. If you launch in Spring, you aren't going to be breaking PS4 sales records (which might not happen anyways) If you launch in the Holiday, you absolutely have a shot at doing that, again PS4 sold 4.1 Million units in 6 weeks, It could have sold 6 Million, and if the PS5 launches in Spring, it's unlikely that it will do 4.1 Million in it's first 6 weeks in Spring, nothing is impossible, but it's unlikely... Also there is a benefit to PS5 over PS4, PS4 wasn't a WW launch, so PS5 could gain faster sales than PS4 because of a Holiday launch WW, as even Japan is going to be worth 0.6M to 1M during that time period in the holiday season.
Of course, if you launch in Spring, your install base will likely be 10M+ by the end of the calendar year, but certainly a slower trajectory is looked at by investors and media shape their narratives off of these trajectories.
Ok so launching in Spring 2020 would result in a bigger install base but it could hurt the media narrative regarding record breaking sales.
So no technical or logistical issues would impede a spring release, it could be better for Sony even, but MS could launch in Fall and break PS5's record easily.
Thanks for the info, interesting stuff.
I think if that's the case both options are open
The feeling in my abdomen is telling me PS5 will launch in 2019...
...oh wait... nope... sorry guys. That was my lactose intolerance.
...oh wait... nope... sorry guys. That was my lactose intolerance.
Starting to see some entries from Sony related to LLVM exegesis, which is a benchmarking tool focused on identifying instruction latency. Kind of an interesting move given they profile heavily with internal tools.
https://llvm.org/docs/CommandGuide/llvm-exegesis.html
https://llvm.org/docs/CommandGuide/llvm-exegesis.html
Hmmm...for us,armchair experts,can you clarify please? :)
llvm-exegesis is a tool that benchmarks how a processor schedules and executes code at an instruction level - the least abstracted, most base level - how long it takes, how many operations, etc. Sony adding stuff to it means they want specific features to test some processor so they can, probably, optimize their compilers.
Oh yeah, both options are available. I think either company could launch after the other, basically if Horizon Zero Dawn 2 (which I figure is being worked on) isn't ready in Spring 2020, I think you wait until Holiday and launch that title along with the PS5. The momentum from your launch lineup can also carry you easier through a slow Q4 (Jan-March) so holiday could also benefit you there as well, and I think Sony could quickly make up any ground that Microsoft had made if they launch in Spring. Sony just needs to make sure that if they are launching in Spring, they have that big Jan-Feb game to carry them through Q4, while a Holiday launch wouldn't need to worry, since unless you are the Wii U, momentum should maintain you through that following quarter after launch.
