He's switched to #dream2019 like the rest of us nutters. Well done Benj for accepting joy in to your heart.
So everyone is behind the idea that Sony will reveal the PS5 at PSX 2019 right?
He's switched to #dream2019 like the rest of us nutters. Well done Benj for accepting joy in to your heart.
What's wrong with more power? I hope the media doesn't go consoles are doomed route again.
Yeah, but I just didn't think the game has been ready for a while. Normally, you delay a game to polish it, not to have something available next january, especially now. Look at all the stuff that is releasing the same week as Days Gone. Why not next december, if that's the case?
But if we assume a 2020 holiday launch, Feb 2019, is way too soon. Matt said we would see PS5 before the end of 2019, and what else could they put in a PSX show anyways? got to be PS5 and some games for the thing right?No.Reveal will be at special PS meeting,same like PS4 and Pro.I expect it in Feb-March period next year.
I think that you are right. And E3 media blowout with games from all the publishers that are willing to show their next-gen projects.No.Reveal will be at special PS meeting,same like PS4 and Pro.I expect it in Feb-March period next year.
But if we assume a 2020 holiday launch, Feb 2019, is way too soon. Matt said we would see PS5 before the end of 2019, and what else could they put in a PSX show anyways? got to be PS5 and some games for the thing right?
I really don't know how what you wrote connects to what I wrote..I said I thought there would already be games in development at this stage(and according to Benji I was right),not that they will be announced soon.PS4 is not even at 100 million sales yet. Sony knows that they can´t predict the exact levels of success the next PlayStation will hit, but they can be damn sure that the PS4 will continue to sell strongly for the next year and a half.
They will not be ready to set social media ablaze with the PS5 reveal. Its not as simple as people think with it being ¨Late adopters will get the PS4 still and early adopters will get the PS5¨. Its a lot more complicated than that, with people even questioning game purchases thinking there may be a PS5 version so they´ll wait.
Kinda agree with everything except the last part. Media wouldn't be under NDA and Sony surely wouldn't blacklist anyone for that kind of stuff.
They'll be craving for goodwill, specially in the situation they are in as market leader while everybody loves an underdog success story.
Any other game company could blacklist, but a platform holder wouldn't.
What's wrong with more power? I hope the media doesn't go consoles are doomed route again.
We will get plenty of leaks when devs get their hands on those dev kits. It happens all the time and there's nothing Sony and MS can do about it.
Interesting, seems a certain someone has deleted all posts about 2020 being the launch year / there not being any dev kits out there. What does it mean *thinkingfaceemoji*
Basically, if we hear nothing by March, the 2019 camp had to give up.No.Reveal will be at special PS meeting,same like PS4 and Pro.I expect it in Feb-March period next year.
Basically, if we hear nothing by March, the 2019 camp had to give up.
Basically, if we hear nothing by March, the 2019 camp had to give up.
damn 2 years stuck with this rubbish of jaguar cpu :((
I'd had desired a new console just for a better CPU... too bad i can't afford a pc rig for gaming :(
I really don't know how what you wrote connects to what I wrote..I said I thought there would already be games in development at this stage(and according to Benji I was right),not that they will be announced soon.
Obviously,after reading both Jason and Benji's recent comments,the PS5 is a late 2020,not that I ever doubted that.
I don't even expect it in 2019 but I don't get why it would have to follow the exact same strategy as last time when Sony themselves talked about that launch feeling too long for this smartphone era.
PS4 was revealed 20 February 2013.They don't have to follow the same strategy but if not:
When/where/how do they do a full disclosure to developers?
With PS4 Pro they disclosed at GDC in March 2016 and everything leaked including the full documents within days albeit the game press were blindsided and confused initially.
That is why I can't see them trying to reveal after GDC in the calendar year again. It is also why I currently can't see a way they could release outside of November/December of any given year.
Well, we will not need that much better CPU in gen9 consoles [certainly not max clocked desktop Ryzens] if GPUs can finally start generating their own draw calls. That could free up CPU processing a lot.I'd had desired a new console just for a better CPU... too bad i can't afford a pc rig for gaming :(
Oh I'm sure we'll hear something at gdc, but not necessarily a public reveal even if specs are going to leak.They don't have to follow the same strategy but if not:
When/where/how do they do a full disclosure to developers?
With PS4 Pro they disclosed at GDC in March 2016 and everything leaked including the full documents within days albeit the game press were blindsided and confused initially.
That is why I can't see them trying to reveal after GDC in the calendar year again. It is also why I currently can't see a way they could release outside of November/December of any given year.
Even better reason to reveal the PS5 at PSX 2019 then. you'd launch the console within the following 6 Months. I don't think launching outside of the Holiday season is that good of an idea though, I mean Switch would have benefited by launching Holiday 2016, if it had the launch titles available.I think that you are right. And E3 media blowout with games from all the publishers that are willing to show their next-gen projects.
z0m3le How about launching during the 1H of 2020?
Interesting, seems a certain someone has deleted all posts about 2020 being the launch year / there not being any dev kits out there. What does it mean *thinkingfaceemoji*
He's switched to #dream2019 like the rest of us nutters. Well done Benj for accepting joy in to your heart.
Benji has been deleting his posts like that before he even came over here (he is a US sales insider who posts/posted in the NPD threads). He does that for his own sake because of the info he is putting out.What is going on now? The flip flopping is giving me a headache.
That scenario is also possible and in line with what Sony representatives (was it Andrew House?) said about applying Apple strategy. The problem is that Sony would have a pretty barebones E3 2019 with different publishers - and probably even Sony themselves - showing next-gen titles without talking about new platforms. Now imagine that MS says: "OK, guys, those shiny things you see here will be available on Xbox Two". Wouldn't that put Sony in a slightly awkward position?Even better reason to reveal the PS5 at PSX 2019 then. you'd launch the console within the following 6 Months.
I don't think launching outside of the Holiday season is that good of an idea though, I mean Switch would have benefited by launching Holiday 2016, if it had the launch titles available.
Oh I'm sure we'll hear something at gdc, but not necessarily a public reveal even if specs are going to leak.
The recent (now deleted) comments by Benji left zero doubt that the PS5 is not coming out in 2019. The late 2020 part is actually my prediction,because I don't think MS/Sony would launch a console not in the holiday season and frankly,If PS5 is not 2019 I don't see how a few months would suddenly make it possible for them to launch early 2020.Yeah, stuck with rubbish jaguar games like RDR2.
(I actually agree with you)
Late? What did I miss? I thought things were still up in the air, with expectations to be early/mid 2020 with mid/late 2019 reveal?
That scenario is also possible and in line with what Sony representatives (was it Andrew House?) said about applying Apple strategy. The problem is that Sony would have a pretty barebones E3 2019 with different publishers - and probably even Sony themselves - showing next-gen titles without talking about new platforms. Now imagine that MS says: "OK, guys, those shiny things you see here will be available on Xbox Two". Wouldn't that put Sony in a slightly awkward position?
I have to admit that I don't remember specifics, but hadn't Switch sold out during its launch? I'm quite sure that new software made with next-gen in mind will make new consoles fly of the shelves. And assuming that Xbox Two launches Holiday 2020, Sony would have half a year to prepare themselves and manufacture more units.
It's all theory, of course. I'm sure we will learn more in the coming month. Nevertheless, exciting times ahead!
As we get closer to the ATSC 3.0 ramp (2020) 4k and 8K TV manufacturers as well as Internet providers are ramping support for the UHD generation.Gamepur.com: It's Not The Time For PS5 And Xbox Scarlett Yet
Full article at the link.
I agree with most of what they're saying here.
The recent (now deleted) comments by Benji left zero doubt that the PS5 is not coming out in 2019. The late 2020 part is actually my prediction,because I don't think MS/Sony would launch a console not in the holiday season and frankly,If PS5 is not 2019 I don't see how a few months would suddenly make it possible for them to launch early 2020.
Interesting, seems a certain someone has deleted all posts about 2020 being the launch year / there not being any dev kits out there. What does it mean *thinkingfaceemoji*
Ah sorry I was wanting to say we should hear something at gdc but not necessarily have a public reveal by gdc but I didn't use enough words. I think a gdc reveal would be interesting though!I've not in any way suggested a public reveal at GDC!? I have no idea how you got that from my post?
Really?? Mmm why, indeed? He's not under any NDA.
So either he thought it was 2020 and he just found out it could be 2019, or it's still 2020 and someone told him to delete them because....reasons?
So what reasons could they be?
Jraphics Horse said:Ah sorry I was wanting to say we should hear something at gdc but not necessarily have a public reveal by gdc but I didn't use enough words. I think a gdc reveal would be interesting though!
Sometime when you share info, you piss off your source and that source could have told him to delete them. I've seen it happen.Really?? Mmm why, indeed? He's not under any NDA.
So either he thought it was 2020 and he just found out it could be 2019, or it's still 2020 and someone told him to delete them because....reasons?
So what reasons could they be?
You lose 1 to 2 million units launching in the Spring vs the Holidays. Switch sold 2.74 Million units in March and only another 5 Million units for the following 6 months. Sony was able to sell 4.1 Million PS4 units during it's launch Holiday and it had sold out. If Sony had stocked 5 Million units? it would have sold 5 Million units. The problem with the spring season, retailers don't have the shelf space for that extra 2 million units, during the holidays they expand sales space to the floors and overstock for the holidays, heck it's possible to sell even more technically, as PS4 has cleared 8 million in a holiday season before. I'm not saying that Sony wouldn't launch during the Spring time, but it benefits them to have a big E3 and drop 5-6 Million PS5 consoles on retailers in November 2019 or November 2020, rather than 3 Million in Spring.
Sometime when you share info, you piss off your source and that source could have told him to delete them. I've seen it happen.
Sorry, more what retailers are willing to buy. They will buy ~3 Million for a launch month in Spring and 5-6 Million for a launch month during the holidays. This means you can have a stronger start, and as I pointed out, launching during the Spring, the following 6 months, only saw the Switch sell 5 Million more units, however if they launched 4 months sooner, they could have sold ~10 Million units in total by the end of the 7th month (same time frame as Switch's 7.63M)
It's good to remember that Benji was inferring the release date from the fact that he hasn't heard anything conclusive telling him otherwise. As I said before, that's bad science :D
Sorry, more what retailers are willing to buy. They will buy ~3 Million for a launch month in Spring and 5-6 Million for a launch month during the holidays. This means you can have a stronger start, and as I pointed out, launching during the Spring, the following 6 months, only saw the Switch sell 5 Million more units, however if they launched 4 months sooner, they could have sold ~10 Million units in total by the end of the 7th month (same time frame as Switch's 7.63M)
The only benefit to launching in the holiday season is for faster install base. If you launch in Spring, you aren't going to be breaking PS4 sales records (which might not happen anyways) If you launch in the Holiday, you absolutely have a shot at doing that, again PS4 sold 4.1 Million units in 6 weeks, It could have sold 6 Million, and if the PS5 launches in Spring, it's unlikely that it will do 4.1 Million in it's first 6 weeks in Spring, nothing is impossible, but it's unlikely... Also there is a benefit to PS5 over PS4, PS4 wasn't a WW launch, so PS5 could gain faster sales than PS4 because of a Holiday launch WW, as even Japan is going to be worth 0.6M to 1M during that time period in the holiday season.Ok, but now imagine you can't launch 4 months sooner, like it's the case with the PS5.
Would a 2020 spring release followed by the 2020 fall period, so essentially 2 soft launches, be much worse than just a hard launch fall 2020? And why?
Just want to understand so I can discuss it later with other people. Thanks!
The only benefit to launching in the holiday season is for faster install base. If you launch in Spring, you aren't going to be breaking PS4 sales records (which might not happen anyways) If you launch in the Holiday, you absolutely have a shot at doing that, again PS4 sold 4.1 Million units in 6 weeks, It could have sold 6 Million, and if the PS5 launches in Spring, it's unlikely that it will do 4.1 Million in it's first 6 weeks in Spring, nothing is impossible, but it's unlikely... Also there is a benefit to PS5 over PS4, PS4 wasn't a WW launch, so PS5 could gain faster sales than PS4 because of a Holiday launch WW, as even Japan is going to be worth 0.6M to 1M during that time period in the holiday season.
Of course, if you launch in Spring, your install base will likely be 10M+ by the end of the calendar year, but certainly a slower trajectory is looked at by investors and media shape their narratives off of these trajectories.
Starting to see some entries from Sony related to LLVM exegesis, which is a benchmarking tool focused on identifying instruction latency. Kind of an interesting move given they profile heavily with internal tools.
https://llvm.org/docs/CommandGuide/llvm-exegesis.html
The feeling in my abdomen is telling me PS5 will launch in 2019...
...oh wait... nope... sorry guys. That was my lactose intolerance.
Oh yeah, both options are available. I think either company could launch after the other, basically if Horizon Zero Dawn 2 (which I figure is being worked on) isn't ready in Spring 2020, I think you wait until Holiday and launch that title along with the PS5. The momentum from your launch lineup can also carry you easier through a slow Q4 (Jan-March) so holiday could also benefit you there as well, and I think Sony could quickly make up any ground that Microsoft had made if they launch in Spring. Sony just needs to make sure that if they are launching in Spring, they have that big Jan-Feb game to carry them through Q4, while a Holiday launch wouldn't need to worry, since unless you are the Wii U, momentum should maintain you through that following quarter after launch.Ok so launching in Spring 2020 would result in a bigger install base but it could hurt the media narrative regarding record breaking sales.
So no technical or logistical issues would impede a spring release, it could be better for Sony even, but MS could launch in Fall and break PS5's record easily.
Thanks for the info, interesting stuff.
I think if that's the case both options are open
llvm-exegesis is a tool that benchmarks how a processor schedules and executes code at an instruction level - the least abstracted, most base level - how long it takes, how many operations, etc. Sony adding stuff to it means they want specific features to test some processor so they can, probably, optimize their compilers.