Assassin's Creed Odyssey PC performance thread

ezodagrom · Oct 13, 2018

NovumVeritas said:
Totally stupid and false. I remember that there was a guy in his thread that he was saying he was violating the EULA etc. This guy didn't stop. Especially Kalaiden is doing it for the community and this is his thank you for that. I wonder if he will continue doing mods or he says fuck it. I could understand after this case.

I don't think he'll stop, or at least he didn't stop the last time he was hit with mass false reports (though he almost did stop back then, if I remember right).
Last time it was github, removing his content due to false reports saying that it's malware, despite the source code being right there...

NovumVeritas · Oct 13, 2018

ezodagrom said:
I don't think he'll stop, or at least he didn't stop the last time he was hit with mass false reports (though he almost did stop back then, if I remember right).
Last time it was github, removing his content due to false reports saying that it's malware, despite the source code being right there...

I don't understand why people are doing this. They should be more grateful, that he fixes some things the devs couldn't do.

ezodagrom · Oct 13, 2018

NovumVeritas said:
I don't understand why people are doing this. They should be more grateful, that he fixes some things the devs couldn't do.

Often it's pirates that spread misinformation about his tools and that are upset about the tools not working in pirated versions of the games by default.

NovumVeritas · Oct 13, 2018

ezodagrom said:
Often it's pirates that spread misinformation about his tools and that are upset about the tools not working in pirated versions of the games by default.

Oh I see, but AC Odyssey isn't cracked yet, oh boy this is just bad.

ezodagrom · Oct 13, 2018

NovumVeritas said:
Oh I see, but AC Odyssey isn't cracked yet, oh boy this is just bad.

Yeah, but they know Kaldaien from other games, so they spread misinformation about the mods even if the game isn't pirated yet (when the topic was alive, in the first page there was already someone wrongly claiming the mod to be malware).

NovumVeritas · Oct 13, 2018

ezodagrom said:
Yeah, but they know Kaldaien from other games, so they spread misinformation about the mods even if the game isn't pirated yet (when the topic was alive, in the first page there was already someone wrongly claiming the mod to be malware).

Yeah I read this thread, most people were complaining, and that he violates the EULA and that his mods are malicious.

ezodagrom · Oct 13, 2018

On another note, since the forum link is dead, here's the github link:
https://github.com/Kaldaien/SpecialK/releases/tag/sk_odyssey

There's 2 versions of the mod, one with slower texture streaming which may cause texture pop-in but is recommended for low end PCs, and the fast stream option which has less texture pop-in and is recommended for high end systems.
There's no guarantee that either can improve performance, especially for PCs with CPUs with less cores. If I'm not mistaken, the mod helps more with stuttering or keeping the framerate more stable, and not with average framerate.

Based on the google cached original topic, a few extra things worth noting.
- In the mod's control panel (press Ctrl+Shift+Backspace in-game), the option Alternate Task Scheduling can possibly help CPUs with less than 8 cores.
- In the control panel, the option Re-balance Interval is especially for Ryzen CPUs, but could possibly help Intel CPUs to a lesser extent.

R.T Straker · Oct 13, 2018

ezodagrom said:
He was banned from the Assassin's Creed Odyssey forums, the reason given was this:

Which is complete BS.

The most likely situation is that trolls (usually pirates) mass reported his thread and a forum moderator actually believed the trolls this time...

To be honest, that's not completely false.

His ''tool'' ever since he used to lock pirates by not allowing them to use k-fix, has been collecting data and it continues to do.

I gave it a quick look back in August when MHW was released and it didn't seem change in any way from the Nier A days and it even keeps tracks of your Denuvo tokens which is wierd as hell.

Now, his fixes are pretty good most of the time and they do help when x or y port is a big rough but don't be surpized when devs won't allow his links or posts on their boards. This isn't the first nor the last time he got banned.

lucebuce · Oct 13, 2018

EDIT: Wrong thread lol

ezodagrom · Oct 13, 2018

Frox said:
To be honest, that's not completely false.

His ''tool'' ever since he used to lock pirates by not allowing them to use k-fix, has been collecting data and it continues to do.

I gave it a quick look back in August when MHW was released and it didn't seem change in any way from the Nier A days and it even keeps tracks of your Denuvo tokens which is wierd as hell.

It is completely false.
- About pirates, all they have to change is one setting. Pirate versions of games use an altered steam api dll, since special k makes use of some steam features, pirated versions would likely be very unstable with his mods. Since he doesn't want to troubleshoot issues for pirates, the mods have a simple verification check to verify the validity of the steam api dll, but pirates can just turn off the steam features in special k in the ini files.
- Collecting data? What are you talking about? The only thing that special k would contact a server for would be to check for updates (I think the standalone versions that are put into games folders don't even have this? not sure). Unless you mean the logs folder, which exists for troubleshooting.
- Keeping track of denuvo tokens, there have been cases in the past where games had issues starting because something went wrong with the denuvo token, so an option to reset/delete the denuvo token is available on special k...I think?
EDIT: Oh, nevermind this. Keeping track of denuvo tokens, if the user knows that he's going to be without access to an internet connection for a while, before the connection is cut, they can use this option to delete the current token and get a new one, so they can maximize the amount of time they would have access to the game before denuvo would want a new token.

Vaelic · Oct 13, 2018

Where can I download kaldains mod? The link above doesn't bring you to it

ezodagrom · Oct 13, 2018

Vaelic said:
Where can I download kaldains mod? The link above doesn't bring you to it

https://github.com/Kaldaien/SpecialK/releases/tag/sk_odyssey

"SK_Odyssey_fast_stream.7z" if you have a relatively high end PC.
"SK_Odyssey_slow_stream.7z" if you have a low end PC.

To install the mod, you extract the file and put the content into the game's folder where the executable is located.

If you run into issues, to remove the mod you have to delete:
- dxgi.dll
- dxgi.pdb
- dxgi.ini
- folder Version
- folder SK_Res
- folder logs

Vaelic · Oct 13, 2018

ezodagrom said:
https://github.com/Kaldaien/SpecialK/releases/tag/sk_odyssey

"SK_Odyssey_fast_stream.7z" if you have a relatively high end PC.
"SK_Odyssey_slow_stream.7z" if you have a low end PC.

To install the mod, you extract the file and put the content into the game's folder where the executable is located.

If you run into issues, to remove the mod you have to delete:
- dxgi.dll
- dxgi.pdb
- dxgi.ini
- folder Version
- folder SK_Res
- folder logs

Great ty. Can ubi ban us for using this?

ezodagrom · Oct 13, 2018

Vaelic said:
Great ty. Can ubi ban us for using this?

Special K is similar to reshade or RTSS, so I don't see why they would, especially since it's not even an online game.

Tankshell · Oct 13, 2018

Since the 1.03 update I can't play this game anymore, it's completely fucked. Lots of random freezes and CTD.

Before the 1.03 update I had put in 40 hours with not a hint of a problem. Nothing else on my system has changed so has to be the patch.

I am not alone with this issue: https://forums.ubi.com/showthread.php/1943381-Crashing-Since-1-03

FFS!

Grimminski · Oct 13, 2018

Was 1.03 the patch that removed the AVX requirement?

Oachkatzlschwoaf · Oct 13, 2018

If you - like me - find the ingame AA too agressive, you might want to consider reshade and one of its sharpening shaders. Here is a little comparison between the vanilla (AA high) and AA high with lumasharpen. You can tweak the settings of the sharpener in many different ways to your liking, but I simply went with the standard settings for a first try. Ignore the fps difference, it's not representative.

Vanilla:

lumasharpen:

Bucca · Oct 14, 2018

Just had a total hardlock during a fight, had to force shut off my PC. Been running fine the last week till now.

Tankshell said:
Since the 1.03 update I can't play this game anymore, it's completely fucked. Lots of random freezes and CTD.

Before the 1.03 update I had put in 40 hours with not a hint of a problem. Nothing else on my system has changed so has to be the patch.

I am not alone with this issue: https://forums.ubi.com/showthread.php/1943381-Crashing-Since-1-03

FFS!

I've noticed this too, random complete hitches that last for 5-10 seconds before correcting itself .

Isee · Oct 14, 2018

Grimminski said:
Was 1.03 the patch that removed the AVX requirement?

I believe reading something like that.

Bucca · Oct 14, 2018

Edit: since restarting from the crash, the game has my refresh rate and vsync set to Auto and greyed out? The fuck is going on?

Edit 2: Yeah, whatever patch 1.03 did, it has completely fucked this game for me and it was running flawless prior to it.

Richard Webster · Oct 14, 2018

Bucca said:
Edit: since restarting from the crash, the game has my refresh rate and vsync set to Auto and greyed out? The fuck is going on?

Edit 2: Yeah, whatever patch 1.03 did, it has completely fucked this game for me and it was running flawless prior to it.

Vsync is locked to Auto if you have adaptive quality enabled.

GrrImAFridge · Oct 14, 2018

If you have the Steam version, it is possible to roll back to v1.02, albeit in a roundabout way:

JaseC said:
If you have the Steam version, you can download v1.02 using Steam's console:

- Input steam://open/console into your browser
- Input download_depot 812140 812141 4072704757892098420 and wait for the console to report "Depot download complete"
-> If you're playing the game in French, input download_depot 812140 812142 8328691686092249446 and wait for the console to report "Depot download complete"
-> If you're playing the game in Brazilian Portuguese, input download_depot 812140 812143 7092916196965028859 and wait for the console to report "Depot download complete"
-> If you're playing the game in German, input download_depot 812140 812144 8776497267646019113 and wait for the console to report "Depot download complete"
-> If you're playing the game in Russian, input download_depot 812140 812146 6975128233689020437 and wait for the console to report "Depot download complete"
-> If you're playing the game in Spanish, input download_depot 812140 812147 6271223054388010321 and wait for the console to report "Depot download complete"
-> If you're playing the game in Japanese, input download_depot 812140 812148 7601690161898381134 and wait for the console to report "Depot download complete"
- Empty the game installation folder and replace the data with that in SteamApps\content\app_812140\depot_81214x

Edit: Note that this is tantamount to reinstalling the game, so it won't be a small download.

Bucca · Oct 14, 2018

Richard Webster said:
Vsync is locked to Auto if you have adaptive quality enabled.

That's the thing though, I don't have it enabled.

Also just got another hard lock crash, gonna step away for now until Ubi fixes this.

Wheelsner · Oct 14, 2018

Bucca said:
Edit: since restarting from the crash, the game has my refresh rate and vsync set to Auto and greyed out? The fuck is going on?

Edit 2: Yeah, whatever patch 1.03 did, it has completely fucked this game for me and it was running flawless prior to it.

Any chance you're no longer running fullscreen? I had the same issue following a crash and discovered the game had randomly decided to switch from fullscreen --> borderless window mode. If so changing back should re-enable the v-sync option.

Tankshell · Oct 14, 2018

JaseC said:
If you have the Steam version, it is possible to roll back to v1.02, albeit in a roundabout way:

Any way to roll back to 1.02 on uplay version? That appears to be the only option right now if we want to actually play the game for more than 15mins without it crashing. Unbelievable.

UPDATE - this temporary fix is interesting and totally frustrating if true (seems it might be some online/network functionality that is consistently crashing the game in 1.03), will try it myself later: https://forums.ubi.com/showthread.php/1944419-Possible-1-0-3-Crash-Fix

UPDATE 2 - above fix has worked for me. Managed to play for a good 1h 30mins with no problems whatsoever (last night I was barely managing 15 mins without several freezes and CTDs). I would recommend anybody running 1.03 on PC do the same until Ubisoft acknowledge and fix it their end. Fucking network issues causing serious problems in what should be a single player game, I am really starting to hate modern gaming.

GrrImAFridge · Oct 14, 2018

Tankshell said:
Any way to roll back to 1.02 on uplay version?

Not that I'm aware of.

Bricktop · Oct 14, 2018

Man, I don't think I've ever played a game that had as many quests where I think I'm making the right choice and I end up being absolutely wrong. Part of me hates it and wants to reload, but the other part of me thinks it's amazing so I keep going wrong choices and all. It's actually pretty refreshing to have a game constantly throw you curveballs. Who'd have thought an AC game would have more interesting choices than your average full fledged rpg?

Grimminski · Oct 15, 2018

So the AVX patch did go out and some of the videos I've seen of the game running on the Pentium G4560 fall right in line with Origins (100% on all threads), which on my friends build wasn't unplayable.

Though he does have a somewhat faster GPU... Decisions.

Arkanius · Oct 16, 2018

I think this is the first game that I decided to throw the towel and not run at 60 FPS.
I managed to play Origins at 1440p@60FPS with my 1080 Ti and 6700K, but I'm having an hard time keeping a smooth framepacing in Odyssey.
Just went stable 30 FPS @ 4K and with HDR with some optimized settings (Ex: Volumetric Clouds to High)

Also Adaptive AA to target 30 FPS though. Torches completely kill my FPS. The initial scene threw my FPS to 20 FPS as well, and I can't quite figure why.

Also, the Special K framelimiter at 30 FPS was giving me more stuttering than the ingame limiter one. Shouldn't it be the other way around?

Paul · Oct 16, 2018

Arkanius said:
I think this is the first game that I decided to throw the towel and not run at 60 FPS.
I managed to play Origins at 1440p@60FPS with my 1080 Ti and 6700K, but I'm having an hard time keeping a smooth framepacing in Odyssey.
Just went stable 30 FPS @ 4K and with HDR with some optimized settings (Ex: Volumetric Clouds to High)

Also Adaptive AA to target 30 FPS though. Torches completely kill my FPS. The initial scene threw my FPS to 20 FPS as well, and I can't quite figure why.

Also, the Special K framelimiter at 30 FPS was giving me more stuttering than the ingame limiter one. Shouldn't it be the other way around?

Ridiculous. The CPU requirements are completely fucked up on this game.

My problem is that even locking to 30fps does not feel smooth. Even when locking via RTSS and onscreen display shows 30fps / 33ms the framepacing is still a bit fucked and lack of motion blur makes it unpleasant.

Does anyone here have ryzen 2700X, can it hold 60fps without drops?

If not, could 9900K do it? Jesus.

Arkanius · Oct 16, 2018

I absolutely do not understand how the Jaguar CPU on consoles manages to even boot the game with all the troubles we are getting on the PC side.
Is it due low level APIs hammering the CPU less?

Mifec · Oct 16, 2018

Arkanius said:
I absolutely do not understand how the Jaguar CPU on consoles manages to even boot the game with all the troubles we are getting on the PC side.
Is it due low level APIs hammering the CPU less?

https://github.com/kaldaien/SpecialK/releases/sk_odyssey

Here's what Kaldaein has to say.

He fixed a lot of games.

Serious Sam · Oct 16, 2018

I don't own Odyssey but what I remember from Origins was it really liked more than 4 cores. I remember people with 4c/8t CPUs getting near 100% usage in Origins, and my 6c/12t CPU just breezed through the game like it's nothing. Maybe it's similar with Odyssey, as most complaints I see here are from 4 core CPU users?

WildWayz · Oct 16, 2018

Serious Sam said:
I don't own Odyssey but what I remember from Origins was it really liked more than 4 cores. I remember people with 4c/8t CPUs getting near 100% usage in Origins, and my 6c/12t CPU just breezed through the game like it's nothing. Maybe it's similar with Odyssey, as most complaints I see here are from 4 core CPU users?

I have a Ryzen 1700X @ 3.9Ghz, 1080Ti - and it runs like shit for me.

icecold1983 · Oct 16, 2018

Mifec said:
https://github.com/kaldaien/SpecialK/releases/sk_odyssey

Here's what Kaldaein has to say.

He fixed a lot of games.

this has been the case for most ubi open world games. the cpu requirements on pc are just extraordinarily high compared to consoles. watch dogs 2, ac origins, the single threaded far cry games, ghost recon etc

Richard Webster · Oct 16, 2018

Arkanius said:
I absolutely do not understand how the Jaguar CPU on consoles manages to even boot the game with all the troubles we are getting on the PC side.
Is it due low level APIs hammering the CPU less?

Digital Foundry speculate it's because low level API (DX12), and also console specific scene changes to cull or dial back settings.

Edit: Also remember console use dynamic resolution scaling, and the Xbox One version can reach around 720p in some areas.

Paul · Oct 16, 2018

WildWayz said:
I have a Ryzen 1700X @ 3.9Ghz, 1080Ti - and it runs like shit for me.

Can you reach stable 60fps on, say, 1080p/high preset, in cities/villages?

if not...Ubi really fucked it up.

WildWayz · Oct 16, 2018

Paul said:
Can you reach stable 60fps on, say, 1080p/high preset, in cities/villages?

if not...Ubi really fucked it up.

nope

uzipukki · Oct 16, 2018

Paul said:
Can you reach stable 60fps on, say, 1080p/high preset, in cities/villages?

if not...Ubi really fucked it up.

I have a i5-8600K @ 5Ghz and a 1080Ti and I get drops to mid 50's @ 1080p. Haven't even gotten to Athens yet...

Paul · Oct 16, 2018

WildWayz said:
nope

uzipukki said:
I have a i5-8600K @ 5Ghz and a 1080Ti and I get drops to mid 50's @ 1080p. Haven't even gotten to Athens yet...

Yeah that's insane and fucked up.
Someone should hold Ubi to task on this.

I wonder if 9900K will be able to hold stable 60. Would be hysterical if not. I mean it's already hysterical that 1700 or 8600K can't do it when jaguar can keep 30. Ubisoft must have the least competent PC programmers in the business.

eddy · Oct 16, 2018

WildWayz · Oct 16, 2018

Paul said:
Yeah that's insane and fucked up.
Someone should hold Ubi to task on this.

I wonder if 9900K will be able to hold stable 60. Would be hysterical if not. I mean it's already hysterical that 1700 or 8600K can't do it when jaguar can keep 30. Ubisoft must have the least competent PC programmers in the business.

In all fairness, almost all Ubisoft games have issues achieving fixed 60fps.... Wildlands, Farcry 5 to name a couple of others...

Paul · Oct 16, 2018

WildWayz said:
In all fairness, almost all Ubisoft games have issues achieving fixed 60fps.... Wildlands, Farcry 5 to name a couple of others...

Wildlands yeah (and it runs same engine as AC) and Watch Dogs 1, but I could get 60fps 99% of the time in Farcry 5 and Watch Dogs 2 on my 2500K..
But AC Origins, Odyssey and Wildlands are just fucked when it comes to CPU requirements.

Lashley · Oct 16, 2018

Game feels fucking awful imo, even locking it to 30 is awful since the framepacing is all over the place.

Really putting me off the game

b0uncyfr0 · Oct 16, 2018

Would really love to see someone compare kalaiden's tool when enabled to stock Odyssey. Maybe DF would like to test it too - bring more attention to it Dictator

Mifec · Oct 16, 2018

b0uncyfr0 said:
Would really love to see someone compare kalaiden's tool when enabled to stock Odyssey. Maybe DF would like to test it too - bring more attention to it.

tag Dictator for that.

Lashley · Oct 16, 2018

Does RTSS still fuck up HDR?

b0uncyfr0 · Oct 16, 2018

Mifec said:
tag Dictator for that.

Dunno how mate..

Mifec · Oct 16, 2018

b0uncyfr0 said:
Dunno how mate..

You just put an @ and start typing someone's name.

b0uncyfr0 · Oct 16, 2018

Cheers Mifec , did not expect it to be that easy.

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