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Nathan_Drake

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Nov 6, 2017
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Hillary Clinton: Bill should "absolutely not" have resigned over Lewinsky scandal

In May, Mr. Clinton told "Sunday Morning" that he was happy he fought to remain in the White House, and said that #MeToo critics today are "living in a different context."


In a report that aired on "Sunday Morning" about the rise of women candidates, partially in response to the #MeToo movement, Dokoupil asked Hillary Clinton, "There are people who look at the incidents of the 90s and they say, 'A president of the United States cannot have a consensual relationship with an intern; the power imbalance is too great.'"

"… who was an adult," Hillary said. "But let me ask you this: Where's the investigation of the current incumbent [president], against whom numerous allegations have been made, and which he dismisses, denies, and ridicules?

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hillar...tely-not-have-resigned-over-lewinsky-scandal/

Saying the affair with Monica wasn't an abuse of power because she was an adult is wrong and completely tone deaf.

Edit:

Adding link for Monica's side of the story.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/02/monica-lewinsky-in-the-age-of-metoo
 
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beelzebozo

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Oct 26, 2017
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i don't really expect a person who has been victimized by her husband to be 100% cogent on this topic, or to see it with much clarity.
 

Zed

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Oct 28, 2017
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And people wonder why so many progressives want The Clintons to stay out of politics.
 

xolsec

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Feb 18, 2018
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Wasn't it consensual? Or is it automatically abuse of power because he was the President?

I don't remember
 
Oct 30, 2017
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What does Monica think? It absolutely could be, and is certainly unprofessional, but if there's no victim then there's no abuse.
 

SilentPanda

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Nov 6, 2017
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Wasn't it consensual? Or is it automatically abuse of power because he was the President?

I don't remember

The second, even though they are both adult, their position in their system is very different, one is the president of the USA, the other is a intern, it would be like a CEO and a temp worker, except worse.
 

Maximo

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Oct 25, 2017
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Stop Hillary.
 

Ukraine

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Jun 1, 2018
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I mean it's hard to blame Hillary for this. If that's the way she chose to process it it's her choice.
 

entremet

You wouldn't toast a NES cartridge
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Oct 26, 2017
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And people wonder why so many progressives want The Clintons to stay out of politics.
Yeah. They're amazing fundraisers to be fair. Also, Clinton was asked this question. What else would she say? I doubt she wants an embarrassing affair brought up again all the time.
 

datbapple

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Nov 19, 2017
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Man why can't the Clinton's just donate to the party and shut the fuck up. Bill and Hillary are not needed rn. Pass the fuckin torch already and chill Jesus christ.
 

Ukraine

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Jun 1, 2018
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Some of the responses in this thread are literally victim blaming Hillary. Bill cheated on her. Don't forget that.
 

Narroo

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Feb 27, 2018
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Wasn't it consensual? Or is it automatically abuse of power because he was the President?

I don't remember
It depends on the situation. Using the fact that you're the president of the united state to get laid would be ab abuse of power. On the otherhand, Monica may have just wanted to have an affair with him in her own right. (Whether for posterity, or whatever.) It's hard to tell which it is without seeing it directly.
 

Booshka

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May 8, 2018
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If you say so Hillary, stand by your man blah blah. They need to slowly withdraw from politics if they are going to continue to push these antiquated views in the Democratic party.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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I don't think it's automatically abuse of power, but it shouldn't be hard to see why people see that kind of relationship—even if between consenting adults—as fundamentally suspect given the power differential.

I'd be sympathetic to the view he should have resigned a lot more if it weren't a complete political farce organized by a political party that was then and is now stridently for abusing women until they can be used as props for said political farces. Colluding with foreign governments to win elections and using your position to launder money is a-ok, but having sex with an intern and lying about it is the bright line (but only when it's a Democrat, the Republicans just pay off the mistresses, get them abortions and keep going.)
 

Nappuccino

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Oct 25, 2017
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Seems like the kind of question she just shouldn't answer, even if that's how she helps herself sleep at night.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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It depends on the situation. Using the fact that you're the president of the united state to get laid would be ab abuse of power. On the otherhand, Monica may have just wanted to have an affair with him in her own right. (Whether for posterity, or whatever.) It's hard to tell which it is without seeing it directly.
It's nearly always hard to tell, which is why it's the responsibility of the person in power to not engage pretty much regardless of the circumstances.
 

OMEGALUL

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Oct 10, 2018
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I never understood one thing, How come Hilary never left Bill because of the Monica thing? it seems pretty like a marriage destroyer.
 

entremet

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Oct 26, 2017
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I don't remember much of the case, but she always had the choice to refuse, no?
Yes. It's not so much a criminal issue, other than the perjury, but the abuse of position. Many workplaces have prohibitions with manager and direct relationships for this reason.
 

Blader

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Oct 27, 2017
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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hillar...tely-not-have-resigned-over-lewinsky-scandal/

Saying the affair with Monica wasn't an abuse of power because she was an adult is wrong and completely tone deaf.
Ok, how about what Monica thinks then?

It depends on the situation. Using the fact that you're the president of the united state to get laid would be ab abuse of power. On the otherhand, Monica may have just wanted to have an affair with him in her own right. (Whether for posterity, or whatever.) It's hard to tell which it is without seeing it directly.

It's not hard to tell when Monica Lewinsky herself has said multiple times that it was a consensual affair that she wanted.
 

Nephtis

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Dec 27, 2017
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Yes. It's not so much a criminal issue, other than the perjury, but the abuse of position. Many workplaces have prohibitions with manager and direct relationships for this reason.

Right - I mean, I get it. But to me there is a distinction between abuse of power and being attracted to power. It could be argued that she wanted this affair because he was the President, and that enormous power he wielded attracted her. I don't know that at any point he threatened to use his presidential powers to keep her at bay.
 

Blader

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Oct 27, 2017
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Will liberal feminists recognize this and stop defending Hillary over every single one of her mistakes? The plot thickens!
I think liberal feminists would probably argue that Lewinsky has agency and exercised that agency in the affair. Which they did argue back in 98.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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I think it's possible that his affair with Lewinsky while inappropriate was not an abuse of power if she consented and he did not put her under any duress. Bill has other women that are better examples of harassment or assault and Hillary has stood by him throughout it.
 

Kotze282

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Oct 27, 2017
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The second, even though they are both adult, their position in their system is very different, one is the president of the USA, the other is a intern, it would be like a CEO and a temp worker, except worse.

Which, if you think about it, is kind of taking away the power to consent away from the person in the "lesser" position. I can see how one could argue from that angle.
 

Sokrates

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Oct 27, 2017
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Another reason why Hillary deserved to lose in 2016. This defense of her rapist husband.

What a shitty person and candidate. Let's move on into the 21st century with better candidates.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Ok, how about what Monica thinks then?



It's not hard to tell when Monica Lewinsky herself has said multiple times that it was a consensual affair that she wanted.

People like to ignore that and automatically deem it an abuse of power, regardless of what Monica herself says. I've always found that weird. The tragedy of Monica Lewinsky was always the dispraportional backlash she recieved for the relationship IMO