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Warren Releases DNA Results (Updated OP)

Skelepuzzle

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Tetra-Grammaton-Cleric said:
Because certain Native American organizations are apparently angry that a DNA test was used to prove the authenticity of her claims and rather than take a more nuanced and delicate approach so as to not wound a political ally they opted to denounce her publicly and unintentionally bolster Trump's claims in the process.

To be clear, they probably have a point but there are better ways to handle it than aiding a man who is without question an enemy of your cause and agenda.
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excelsiorlef said:
Lol "they probably have a point"

How generous of you
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I missed that gem.

Hey bud? The Cherokee people don't have to give a shit about what is strategic for you. Warren really fucked this up and has refused to meet with them in the past.

She would have been a better political ally if she gave a shit about them. How dare they call out the fact that a buncha white people claim to be Cherokee and devalue being native as a mere matter of waving around your blood quantum or some distant ancestor while having never even come close to being near native history or culture.
 
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That feeling when you live in a country where something as benign as this or the "Dean scream" are enough to sink a campaign, but Trump's immorality and misdeeds are a selling point. What a farce.
 
Mulciber

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Here's one thing that worries or bothers me about today's political climate. There's a decent chance Trump will take this one thing and just hammer it over and over. He practically made a dozen Republican candidates vanish in a puff of smoke by just repeating a dumb nickname for them to which the Republican crowds at debates went wild.

Meanwhile, Trump will do 100 things far worse for this, but it's nearly impossible to keep up with them all and actually impossible to address them all, making the message a mess. It's the political equivalent of a Gish Gallop.

So by election night, you get those voters firmly knowing this one detail about her, but dazed over about Trump.

Hope I'm really wrong about that. And I still think she's one of the best - if not the best - candidates we have for us. I just hope the same is true for all those voters who actually matter. (Thanks, Electoral College!)
 
Skelepuzzle

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Why? Factually, if she is Native American, by virtue of this DNA test, I'm African using the same evidence. Show me the lie and why I would need to apologize to anyone that considers her Native American.

I literally said in the text you quoted I'd never claim such, but if it's ok for her than everyone else can use the same standards, right? Or is she special?
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Check my prior posts, I think this shit is hilarious because otherwise I would find it really depressing due to how common it is. It's not okay that she did this at all and then she handled it like shit.

I'm saying let's not go all the way to "well then I'm black!" It's just in poor taste.
 
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Skelepuzzle said:
Check my prior posts, I think this shit is hilarious because otherwise I would find it really depressing due to how common it is. It's not okay that she did this at all and then she handled it like shit.

I'm saying let's not go all the way to "well then I'm black!" It's just in poor taste.
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I mean, dude is basically yelling Pocohantas. He's literally got Trump talking points stuck in his teeth. (ew)
 
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sangreal said:
Who was it intended for?
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People who are on the fence about voting Democrat. People who are on the fence about voting for her as a leader. People who believe everything Trump says will believe him regardless of Warren's decision to release her results. The gamble she played was with respect to winning over people who were unlikely to vote for her due to the doubts about her NA ancestry claims. Now those doubts can be laid rest to, either you reject her due her tenuous links to NAs and mistakes she made in the past or brush over it as a mistake she's learned from (though I do think she needs to be more direct about this). Better than letting it hang till the election.
 
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Skelepuzzle said:
Check my prior posts, I think this shit is hilarious because otherwise I would find it really depressing due to how common it is. It's not okay that she did this at all and then she handled it like shit.

I'm saying let's not go all the way to "well then I'm black!" It's just in poor taste.
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I never said I'm black, nor would I ever, just that by her ridiculous standards I would have a better claim on it than she has of being Native. She just handled this whole thing extremely poorly. The fact that so many Native American's are voicing as much should say all there needs to be said about that. This is definitely not a win for her in any way.

And you are right, this is extremely common. My grandmother swore up and down that she was part Cherokee, so up until my 30's I always though I had Cherokee in me. I've come to learn his is a very common (false) belief in the South. Turns out there is not a drop in my bloodline, and other than the SSA I'm like 95% whitey from whiteville. The number of people I know who thought they were one thing and ended up being another, because of the prevelance of dna testing, is so high it seems like very few people actually know where they come from anymore.
 
Ventilaator

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I would like to think that this is just a small stupid thing which will be forgotten, but...Hillary just like...sent an email once or something...and by the time the right was done with her, she was Crooked HIllary, the serial murderer, co-founder of ISIS and queen of the pedophiles.

If easy opportunities to attack Warren on are already obvious before she has even announced her candidacy, and people on the left are already yelling at everyone who tries to claim that there may be problems with the democratic candidate, then isn't the end result just 2016 again?
 
Skelepuzzle

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BGA said:
She really should had not release this with those Native percentages.
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The real mistake was keeping at this over the years without tying herself to the community. She's a politician, she could have easily searched them out, or for fuck's sake accepted the invitation to meet with them. I got a gut feeling that if a senator actively sought out tribal interests that they would be accepted without a shit ton of trouble as long as they were honest about their heritage, or lack there of/understanding of it. Blood quantum doesn't decide this when you look at her, even were she higher. My brother looks flat out norse but he grew up in our family. What do people like Warren got to say?

This ain't aimed at you at all (and you didn't do this), but her dumbshit claims didn't bother me till people tried to hand waive them away and started telling the Cherokee when they should respond. Felt this shit in the McCaine thread too. Better know your timing, oops now is not the time.
 
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I find it particularly disappointing after having recently watched this speech of hers, and it was obvious that she meant for the results of the test to be a continuation of that, but instead, I feel like it only undermined its message. She herself condemns weaponizing minorities and robbing Native Americans of their voices, but her actions are key. I would hope that the hallmark of a good politician would be one who could admit their faults and hurt they've caused, and then work onwards from that point.
 
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In some other universe, Elizabeth Warren would win a presidential election on her merits, but in this universe she jumps into the meat grinder.
 
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She fucked up, not in regards to Trump but in regards to appropriating Native culture as a white person. She has less than 1% of Native blood yet identified herself as such by enrolling in minority groups in college and later being listed as a Native American professor on the Harvard roll, and in all that time never even consulted with the tribe she was claiming to be descended from. It screams white person trying to be "special" without consideration for how her actions affect actual Native Americans and diminish the issues they struggle with. It's gross and I have no sympathy for her on that front.
 
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Dems will continue to pick apart and find flaws and disagree on every democratic candidate...while republicans will have no problem banding together and voting for a person with 100 flaws.
 
Yung Coconut

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She did this because Trump said he would donate 1 million to charity if she took the test. Now Trump says he never offered to do that lol Yeah, she should have never made the claims, but she can't take that back. Solid play on her part imo here.
 
Euler007

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Them's some bold claims to be making- especially bereft of any receipts. Pretty much everything about the 2016 election stands in stark contrast to those claims.
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https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/a849k68e2i/econTabReport.pdf

Question #61 : Do you personally hope that the United States elects a woman President of the United States in your lifetime, or not?

40% of american man said no, 29% of american woman said no (which blows my mind). 60% of Trump voters said no. If anything my 20% statement was pretty timid, not bold.
 

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Tetra-Grammaton-Cleric said:
Because certain Native American organizations are apparently angry that a DNA test was used to prove the authenticity of her claims and rather than take a more nuanced and delicate approach so as to not wound a political ally they opted to denounce her publicly and unintentionally bolster Trump's claims in the process.

To be clear, they probably have a point but there are better ways to handle it than aiding a man who is without question an enemy of your cause and agenda.
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Why do you get to decide how Native Americans react to this news? Why aren't they allowed to be upset?

This CNN opinion article does a great job summarizing the many issues that native Americans have with this.
 
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Warren earned every word of those tweets. She has God awful political instincts and would get shredded in a GE. We need someone who's savvy.
 

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I hate the turd and everything he stands for but... that's both savage and accurate (minus the gross nick naming, saying she wouldn't have been hired otherwise, and saying that the DNA test was bogus).

I feel like she shares the same weaknesses as Hilary, and that she would actually bolster Trump in an election.
 
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Dems will continue to pick apart and find flaws and disagree on every democratic candidate...while republicans will have no problem banding together and voting for a person with 100 flaws.
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This is the risk of making your entire political platform about virtue and rightfullness - the world isn't so neatly split between good and bad people, and while your opponents may be willing to overlook every minor (or major) flaw you can find about their candidates (it was never that important to them, was it?), you have to condemn your own as harshly as you condemn theirs.

So you get the right slowly being buried in their own filthy scandals (because people will still have a limit to how much they can accept), the left eating itself from the inside until one day a new front emerges, made of fundamentally new faces, people without pasts, "sins" or scandals, and the public flocks to them, only to discover they also don't have any form of competence or knowledge and much of their "innocence" is due to never had any responsability or power. And you find yourself with a bunch of incompetent buffoons at the helm of the country, of everymen who sell themselves to the public through their own lack of qualification, using anti-intellectualism as a virtue and finding a strong response in the general public who is fundamentally feeling validated in its own incompetence (as compared to having been told they "couldn't get it"), on top of seeing the fruits of teaching the public for years that people in power are horrible and corruptible and that you generally shouldn't trust the public authority.

Welcome to the italian nightmare.
 
Westbahnhof

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Smellycat said:
no lies detected, which is kind of scary, except that Pocahontas part.
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I mean... lying by omission. "may be 1/1024" while not mentioning that it's "between 1/64 and 1/1024". She fucked up, but these tweets are still manipulative bullshit imo

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I hate the turd and everything he stands for but... that's both savage and accurate (minus the gross nick naming, saying she wouldn't have been hired otherwise, and saying that the DNA test was bogus).
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Like mentioned above, I really wouldn't call this portrayal accurate.
 
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I want to knock their name out of his fucking mouth. Notice how he goes from "Cherokee Nation" to "Indian." There is no way he typed the former, fucking decades long racist that he is.

Good job Warren, I get to listen to this shit get bandied about by this fucking stupid ass white supremacist now. If you can't even be bothered to take an interest in us then leave us the fuck alone.
 

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Has no one ever told Warren the old saying of "When you wrestle a pig in its pen you both just end up covered in shit, only difference is the pig likes it there."

Why couldn't she have just stayed above this bullshit?
 

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Westbahnhof said:
I mean... lying by omission. "may be 1/1024" while not mentioning that it's "between 1/64 and 1/1024". She fucked up, but these tweets are still manipulative bullshit imo
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Aside from the actual issues stemming from her complete lack of engagement with the tribe throughout her life, this should have been obvious as the blowback, and if she didn't anticipate this I worry about her actually being a suitable candidate.
 
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Seeya said:
Aside from the actual issues stemming from her complete lack of engagement with the tribe throughout her life, this should have been obvious as the blowback, and if she didn't anticipate this I worry about her actually being a suitable candidate.
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I don't see how that's related to my post, sorry. But I don't disagree, I guess.
 
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Trump is going find something to mock about every single candidate and his base/party will love whatever he says, it's just background noise at this point.
 

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So the GOP are just making jokes? That's it? It'll be gone by the end of the week.

Oh bye what Graham said on Fox and Friends today was terrible.
 
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