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Television Displays and Technology Thread: The ERA of OLED is Now
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They make it themselves. LG actually makes panels for other brands, iirc. People mentioned they might be stretched thin and losing QC because of this.
I'm actually not that bothered by the burn-in issues. The fact that LG will not cover it under warranty is unacceptable. How widely spread is besides the point. I will not buy from a manufacturer who doesn't stand behind their products.
they simply can't cover it because it's not their job to provide free replacements when people abuse their panels. if it was 100% warrantied, prices would have to go up to cover the costs of replacements for all those who would abuse them and play games 24/7 or leave on CNN all day.
What if you're not abusive but still get freak burn-in like my one?
When I get my new TV (LG OLED55B7V), should I connect my PC, Ps4 pro and xbox one x to the tv instead of my old reciever (Onkyo TX-NR727) and have the sound go from the tv to the reciever?
HDMI® for High Resolution Playback
The TX-NR727 features eight HDMI inputs to accept hi-res content from your media players and gaming consoles. HDMI enables Dolby® TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio™ audio formats, and supports 3D video. Two outputs are included to connect your HDTV and video projector.
Supports 4K Video Content With 4K televisions, media players, and projectors hitting the market, it's reassuring to know your A/V receiver is compatible with this new technology.
Passthrough of native 4K from source devices to an appropriate display is supported.
4K Video Upscaling via Qdeo™ Technology The TX-NR727 uses Qdeo™ technology from Marvell to upscale standard video sources to brilliantly smooth 1080p (for regular HDTVs) and to an incredible 4K on compatible displays.
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HDMI® for High Resolution Playback
The TX-NR727 features eight HDMI inputs to accept hi-res content from your media players and gaming consoles. HDMI enables Dolby® TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio™ audio formats, and supports 3D video. Two outputs are included to connect your HDTV and video projector.
Supports 4K Video Content With 4K televisions, media players, and projectors hitting the market, it's reassuring to know your A/V receiver is compatible with this new technology.
Passthrough of native 4K from source devices to an appropriate display is supported.
4K Video Upscaling via Qdeo™ Technology The TX-NR727 uses Qdeo™ technology from Marvell to upscale standard video sources to brilliantly smooth 1080p (for regular HDTVs) and to an incredible 4K on compatible displays.
HDMI-version
1.4a
If I'm trying to minimize audio/video latency, which of these would be more optimal?:
Device to Soundbar HDMI input -> Soundbar HDMI output to TV
or
Device to TV via HDMI -> TV to Soundbar HDMI input for ARC audio
TV: LG B7A
Soundbar: Sony HT-NT5
Devices: PS4 Pro, Philips BDP7502
Device to Soundbar HDMI input -> Soundbar HDMI output to TV
or
Device to TV via HDMI -> TV to Soundbar HDMI input for ARC audio
TV: LG B7A
Soundbar: Sony HT-NT5
Devices: PS4 Pro, Philips BDP7502
Well I'll jump into the OLED 4K HDR territory soon it seems.
I just made the payment for an LG OLED55C7V now that my old LCD is dead. It lasted 9 years and 2 months.
You can find the TV at 2000€ generally in my country but for some reason a shop not that far from me was selling it for 421 € less. I couldn't pass this up.
Let's see how this goes.
I just made the payment for an LG OLED55C7V now that my old LCD is dead. It lasted 9 years and 2 months.
You can find the TV at 2000€ generally in my country but for some reason a shop not that far from me was selling it for 421 € less. I couldn't pass this up.
Let's see how this goes.
RT, I procrastinated researching and tomorrow is cyber Monday, my mom wants a TV for Christmas and I have no idea where to start. I know I want it 4K and maybe with HDR/ a good refresh rate but the minute details between manufacturers and models is mostly lost on me.
Someone wanna point me to a good set under $500? Or know what places will have the best deals tomorrow?
Someone wanna point me to a good set under $500? Or know what places will have the best deals tomorrow?
My parents' B6 turned a year old yesterday. They leave it on from 6-12 everyday watching the news, broadcast TV, and cable. Zero IR, even with some static color images I tested. Food Network and HGTV have been using colored logos for awhile now, and I was sure that would have messed with the panel, but even under close inspection it looked great.
My B7A is still flawless, though I've been babying the hell out of it for its first 100 hours.
My B7A is still flawless, though I've been babying the hell out of it for its first 100 hours.
I have an LG C7 and made some tests with a couple of games in order to see if I had any image retention. My panel seems fine, as I didn't see a glimpse of image retention. I sure am happy that reading this thread didn't stopped me from buying one, though it must really sucks for those who experienced it.
I do not know for this equipment, but the AVR I have owned have not added much lag to the signal. ARC can be limited in what is sent downstream. I would plug straight in to the sounder unless this results in noticeable lag.
So I'm thinking about buying the Sony X900E but the one concern I have is that according to rtings it suffers from some temporary image retention. Can someone who owns one tell me if this really noticeable or really an issue. And should I be concerned about potential burn in as a result? I use my tv mostly for watching sports and playing games which both make use of static graphics.
Also can someone maybe clue me into amazon's return policy? I have never purchased a tv from them and if I'm not happy with the X900E I would like to know if I can return it at all.
Thank you in advance!
Also can someone maybe clue me into amazon's return policy? I have never purchased a tv from them and if I'm not happy with the X900E I would like to know if I can return it at all.
Thank you in advance!
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VA panels never have image retention, this was the first time rtings saw some but was ridiculously faint and gone by 2 minutes. This is something you honestly should not even waste another second thinking about. Enjoy your new set.
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Curious if any owners of the A1E are here. I took advantage of the sale at Best Buy but, as my TV won't arrive until Wednesday, I'm looking for some early impressions of your experience gaming. I also wasn't aware of the image retention concerns until now which has me potentially second-guessing my decision...maybe an LED might be a better option.
See, any time we see horror stories, we also have these good ones. I'm sure there's some good batches and bad ones. Really makes every purchase feels like a lottery. Now I feel like I should've just purchased from BB for easy returns. Guess we'll see when my set arrives from Crutchfield.
One person from AVS Forum reported burn in after normal usage (2-3 hours of gaming a day):
sgupta said:
http://www.avsforum.com/forum/40-ol...ntion-burn-thread-photos-55.html#post55144710
I am getting an LG OLED HDTV this month but I only plan on doing light gaming on it. My PC monitor will continue to be my main gaming display.
how
it looks amazing, especially on an LCD TV with good brightness levels.
I honestly don't know. I'm hoping I can figure out the settings before my return policy is up. If I can't get it to feel worth the $1,000 investment, it'll go back and I'll just continue using my 1080p LG. =/
So hey, this HDR10 and Full Array Local Dimming business. Do we reckon they'll be present in lower priced sets come CES 2018, or will those always remain "premium features'?
perhaps try other hdr content
H:ZD did not impress me all that much in hdr, planet earth 2 UHD blu-ray looks really nice.
I'd love to see if leaving a TV on all day (or playing a video game) constitutes "abuse" of a TV in the eyes of the law.
So I set the TV up tonight, so that I could confirm everything was good with it, and I used the rtings link to calibrate the TV and then I converted my XB Slim over to 4k, and I popped in Planet Earth 2 and OH MY LORD.... The images were absolutely stunning, that I had to pick my jaw up off the floor. I also popped in Blade Runner and SpiderMan Homecoming, and both of those looked great, suprisingly the former looked much better than the latter. Go Figure...
Here is an image I took of my iPhoneX while watching PE2 and as amazing as this image is, the actual scene was jaw dropping in terms of visuals. I am so glad I decided to go OLED.
My plan to pick up a way less expensive ROKU TCL first and then wait for the LG to go on sale has officially backfired. Even though I shared this plan with my wife and she agreed to it, she apparently did not agree to it being so soon I was just told.
I had the 55" B7A in my Best Buy cart and they were able to deliver it on Friday as well.
I still have an hour or so to convince her but the following factors are not working in my favor
So here is to sometime next year. Damn.
I had the 55" B7A in my Best Buy cart and they were able to deliver it on Friday as well.
I still have an hour or so to convince her but the following factors are not working in my favor
- It is almost Christmas
- We need a new washer and dryer out of nowhere (the joys of being a homeowner)
- We need to get some substantial work done to our home soon as we plan on trying to sell it soon to downgrade
So here is to sometime next year. Damn.
Take care of 2 & 3 first.. TV's are always evolving and prices are always changing... if you wait till 2018, you can probably pick up a TV with the new HDMI 2.1 technology that should be at CES this coming January...
Just curious, how much is the warranty and for how long?
I still would not purchase one based on principle, but this could be invaluable advice for those looking to purchase one of these TVs in the short-term.
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Any reason you are not just using PC Input, and then either ISF day/night mode? Same input lag as game mode, but you are not locked out of options.
2 years is like close to 200 and 5 years is close to 400 bucks.
And if you replace it and they dont have the model, you get what you paid for your TV back in credit, and can use it towards another.
You have bought a brilliant TV. While it is very slightly slower, in terms of response times, than the LG OLEDs the motion on it is improved, so it's swings and roundabouts really. Just enjoy your set.
I don't mean to scare anyone off OLEDs. I think it's a wonderful advancement in TV technology that is only surpassed by black-in-white to color or SD to HD. I just think that it's disingenuous for LG to conclude that burn-ins only happen after abnormal use when there is plenty of anecdotal evidence to the contrary. Up until now, I thought LG would cover it or at least investigate on a case-by-case basis. But for them to exclude burn-in problems from their warranty is unacceptable in my view. Perhaps those who had these issues had a defective panel, which there will always be some (as with any electronic device).
Let me also state that I was never referring to "Image Retention". While this is an issue for some owners, it is temporary. It is no way related to permanent burn-in. The root causes of both have no correlation.
If you buy one, then it may not be a bad idea to buy it from Best Buy along with their warranty; not just because of the burn-in issue, but also for the simple fact that OLED technology is still maturing. We really don't know (yet) what long term issues will pop up with OLEDs.
Let me also state that I was never referring to "Image Retention". While this is an issue for some owners, it is temporary. It is no way related to permanent burn-in. The root causes of both have no correlation.
If you buy one, then it may not be a bad idea to buy it from Best Buy along with their warranty; not just because of the burn-in issue, but also for the simple fact that OLED technology is still maturing. We really don't know (yet) what long term issues will pop up with OLEDs.
What?
Anyway, everyone who's freaking out over image retention and burn-in should read this: http://televisions.reviewed.com/fea...creen-burn-in-problems-causes-image-retention
Almost two years old now, but still relevant.
Also, this is probably the most important takeaway from the entire article:
Basically, if you're using a TV as a TV and not strictly a "gaming monitor", your chances of getting actual permanent burn-in are almost negligible. This is how I've been treating mine, and so far zero problems, but I always make it a point to watch some kind of full screen video content after more than three hours of gaming with HUDs on screen.
There are going to be outliers, but they're called that for a reason.
Preach. Now watch The Revenant and experience the most intense eyegasm you've ever had.
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This is what I've been saying. As a *TV*, meaning you use it for all kinds of content, the OLED is fine. There are outliers as you mentioned, but hopefully those go down as time goes on.
If you're someone who literally isn't going to use it for anything but gaming, well then I suppose you would do better going the LED route, unfortunately for you.
It's been discussed quite much in detail on AVS. The users that have a deeper understanding how TVs work are stating that Image Retention does not necessarily lead to Burn In. See here: http://www.avsforum.com/forum/40-ol...nt-future-oled-tv-owners-10.html#post54949910
You'll see that actually there are two separate conditions. Here's one example from a user who has over 10,000 posts on AVS, and has been a member there for 15 years:
http://www.avsforum.com/forum/40-ol...ent-future-oled-tv-owners-9.html#post54947622
" ... Temporary image-retention is caused by transistor threshold shift that can be sensed and compensated for internally, while permanent burn-in is caused by differential aging, which cannot be sensed internally.
While the impact of both of these mechanisms on image quality can 'appear' identical, they have nothing to do with each other..."
Other users, like this one, agree with the above sentiment: http://www.avsforum.com/forum/40-ol...-burn-test-includes-oleds-3.html#post54806272
Lastly, I need to amend my statement a bit. It seems that none of the brands cover burn-in (LG, Sony, or Panasonic). Samsung has already begun using the BI issue as a marketing tactic against OLED, and stated at IFA that BI is one of the principal reasons why they have not opted to use the technology in their TVs.
Perhaps the most telling of all: The warranty is only for one year to begin with. I could understand if the brands chose not to cover BI if the warranty was for 3+ years. Getting BI in less than a year is an obvious defect and should be covered.
Some of the experts on AVS forums are now concerned that the premature aging of pixels (BI) is cumulative; which means that in certain cases, it's not a matter of 'if', but 'when'.
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