Yeah don't remind me. Without wanting to sound cavalier to the people who are gonna be affected first and foremost by his policies, this is what scares me the most about this result. Hopefully there's some pushback to whatever he'll try to do there.
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Jair Bolsonaro, Fascist, Elected President of Brazil
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Yeah don't remind me. Without wanting to sound cavalier to the people who are gonna be affected first and foremost by his policies, this is what scares me the most about this result. Hopefully there's some pushback to whatever he'll try to do there.
If the economy crashes soon, people will not want "change", they will give him all the power he requests to "fix" the situation, and the blame for the state of the economy will be on past administrations. That's always how it works. He's going to be in power for at least a full term.
Shit does seem to suck all around for Brazil. But to think someone who openly behaves as a fascist won't be just as corrupt is...odd.
The safety of other humans would rate above all else I would think. Bolsonaro is a threat to human lives.
Oh, I'm sorry if I'm sounding dramatic now that the guy that said that it's okay to beat me If I kiss my boyfriend in public is now my president.
That's a big fallacy. PT posed no threat to our democracy, Bolsonaro did. I didn't vote for PT in the first round and I think they shouldn't even be disputing this election, but they are not even remotely similar evils. Bolsonaro is much, much worse.
Well that's exactly the question. Would you really fight back? And I don't mean you or anyone else individually, I mean as collective communities of the oppressed.
Would you actually fight back? No, I don't mean fight back as in protesting or voting or trying to drum up support in your area of residence, I mean would you truly fight back?
That's a really tough ask for any group of people, and if history is any indication then things are going to have to get a lot worse for the survival instinct to truly kick in on a level that could actually fight back. And I think that's what those seeking to exploit others are counting on.
Laws are just pieces of paper, they have no real power just by themselves. If he has the support of the police and military a coup is a real possibility. Personally, I don't think he will attempt a coup right out of the gate. There is no need to create a coup if you can get most of your demands though legal channels. I'd be more worried about it as time goes on if his agenda meets significant resistance.
That's basically it. People calling Bolsonaro a fascist while cheering for a government that supported and helped some of the most cruel dictatorships in South America are either really blind or really gullible.
Oh, I can understand the response by voters. And anyone could have seen this swing to extremism coming before they even knew Bolsonaro existed, as surely as day follows night.
But being predictably stupid doesn't absolve those voters of blame.
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I don't like PT either but I voted in Haddad despite them because of Bolsonaro. One is much worse than the other by far.
Oh yes, drama. Apparently we are being dramatic for fearing a president that says we should be beaten up to stop living and loving as we want.
You are a evil person.
I am aware of that, but I think it's easier for the military to take him off than anything else, the higher ups don't think of him that highly. There won't a coup, though.
I'm not an expert by any means, but from what I know of Brazilian political history, I feel like its democracy is FAR too fragile to deal with a strongman like Bolsonaro. I hope this is the sort of thing that will blow over in a few years, but you can't help but have a pit in your stomach.
Let's hope that the global tide of fascism falls back, his cruel and shortsighted policies blow up in his face, and in four years he'll be on his ass and it will all just be a bad memory.
Let's hope that the global tide of fascism falls back, his cruel and shortsighted policies blow up in his face, and in four years he'll be on his ass and it will all just be a bad memory.
In developing countries the cause is different than in developed ones. In developed ones the evil is elderly and a rejection of the present and future. In developing countries it's more complex, as many Brazilians have pointed out, tremendous mismanagement by the non-fascists opened the door for the evil to break in. This is also somewhat the case in India, where center-left parties became witheringly corrupt.
The new Fascism in the west will be short-lived. The developing world might be a different story.
We'll see how bad it gets but, if it doesn't turn out as horrible as he would personally like (going by his own declarations) you would only have the left to thank due to the pressure that they've placed on his candidature. He has publicly retracted of some of the things he's said I the past but I really don't give a shit, the guy is a fascist and is a dangerous person and anybody that has helped to put him in power is to me a disgusting piece of shit too.
Well all things considered this was the best... ok, least worst scenario. Had he lost I really, really would've fear a coup attempt with a bunch of idiots clapping like they were doing few hours ago when he won, and he only managed 55% instead of the 60%+ I feared, so the margin was closing, and his rejection is strong.
This take is dumber and more disingenuous than when people tried it for Trump.
What a mess of an argument.
So vote for the fascist because the other candidate wasn't fascist but helped countries with left wing autocrats?
From what I can tell, the PT didn't pose a threat to democracy, but Bolsorano does. That's should be enough when push comes to shove.
You just think yourself or some others can survive the Bolsorano government for the next 4 years, but don't actually care about who might get hurt. This sounds similar to the arguments from so-called progressives against Hillary Clinton and for Trump.
Yep, we were a dictatorship up until just 30 years ago. There was an impeachment of a democratically elected president just two years ago. Our institutions are fragile and it scares me to think about what Bolsonaro might do with them.
You are crazy. Unlike you I don't want my country to go to shit once again, you have no idea how the crisis affected my family, at all. So get off your entitled American high horse and cut off the bullshit. He's the President and there's nothing else to do, but hope Brazil gets better. That's it.
On that note, it was actually one of my BIGGEST concerns when, back in the beginning of the election campaigns, he announced that one of his plans for the country was to remove Brazil from the Paris Agreement, which I could only see as having catastrophic consequences not only for the country itself, but for the ENTIRE PLANET in the long run (Can you imagine what would happen if Brazil were to leave, so shortly after the US? The withdrawal of two such big countries could endanger the entire agreement and, in turn, irreversibly undermine all the preservation efforts being made around the world). Still, a couple days ago, he declared in an interview that he had no plans to withdraw the country from the agreement anymore, but still... You could surmise from his tone that he clearly did not understand WHY the agreement was important, and I wouldn't put it past him to reverse said decision one, two years into his term.
Still, everything else that man represents is just vile and repulsive. We were put in an awful situation for the "second turn" of the presidential elections here, with two positively dreadful choices before us and no other alternative. However, between both options, electing him was by far the worst and most dangerous. His worst case scenario is not only extraordinarily scary, but also the most likely to actually come to fruition since he has way too much power behind him (The man basically has the entire army under his back and call, so you can expect a scenario where opposition will not be treated kindly here). He's very likely to get pretty much anything he wants done, and that's the scariest part of it.
I am certainly saddened to see this development, and now all I can hope is that we can somehow walk out of his term with the least amount of damage done to not only the country, but to the entire planet as well.
To a lesser extent this describes South America in general. We go through phases of military coup, dictatorship, and democracy.
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The nyt did a whole editorial about how bad he was, I'm not getting this.
"You get what you vote for" is one of the dumber things I read on this site. People who voted against him certainly aren't going to get what they voted for.
PT isnt a threat to democracy? Why do you think PT is leading the poorest regions of Brazil? I live in one of those areas and I can see how Mayors, vereadores, deputados. lead these people to believe that PT is everything they have, when they actually have nothing. It's crazy to see them afraid of a new government when they've been living a miserable life those 14 years.
User banned (1 week): Rationalizing fascism.
Bolsonaro is a conservative with populist ideas and has said many terrible things in the past. It's true that he isn't a good option, but it's easy to understand why he won. The liberal media will obviously reverberate the atrocities said by Bolsonaro but will conveniently forget why Haddad was an even shittier option.
Haddad, the PT candidate for the presidency responds to 32 lawsuits, which put him as one of the champions of the record of crimes committed in public life. In the long run, Haddad, already charged in two lawsuits, is accused of receiving cash from two of the condemned contractors in Operation Lava Jato, charged with crimes of administrative improbity, suspected of oversupply of works and services, accused of misusing resources and even from the illegal application of public money. Not enough of his direct involvement in numerous irregularities, he surrounded himself in the campaign for the presidency, led by Lula (who is in prison for corruption), of advisers and coordinators who were also indicted for crimes in Petrolão (huge political scandal), giving concrete indications that the party would reactivate the corruption machine oiled during the 13 years of PT in power.
https://istoe.com.br/uma-extensa-ficha-corrida/
Not only that, but Haddad was one of the worst mayors of São Paulo history with only 15% of approval:
During his term as Brazilian minister of education, the unified national exam for entering in Universities (ENEM) was frauded several times:
https://veja.abril.com.br/blog/rein...ato-do-mec-durante-gestao-de-fernando-haddad/
https://www.correio24horas.com.br/n...no-enem-podia-ter-acontecido-em-qualquer-ano/
https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fraude_do_Enem_de_2009
Brazilian students protests against the frauds:
Education isn't a circus
Brazil chose a politician of the far right instead of a corrupt and proven incompetent leftist politician. It also helps Bolsonaro that Brazil has an homicidal rate of 60.000 deaths per year, and PT did nothing to stop that rate to increase for many years. Public security is also something that played a big role in his election.
If there is a good thing, is that Bolsonaro already said he is commited to the Brazilian Constitution and will respect democracy and minorities (which is something that should be obvious, but well, the national and international press wants to make the devil out of him). All in all, I think it will be just like a Trump presidency and in the end, we'll be able to survive.
Haddad, the PT candidate for the presidency responds to 32 lawsuits, which put him as one of the champions of the record of crimes committed in public life. In the long run, Haddad, already charged in two lawsuits, is accused of receiving cash from two of the condemned contractors in Operation Lava Jato, charged with crimes of administrative improbity, suspected of oversupply of works and services, accused of misusing resources and even from the illegal application of public money. Not enough of his direct involvement in numerous irregularities, he surrounded himself in the campaign for the presidency, led by Lula (who is in prison for corruption), of advisers and coordinators who were also indicted for crimes in Petrolão (huge political scandal), giving concrete indications that the party would reactivate the corruption machine oiled during the 13 years of PT in power.
https://istoe.com.br/uma-extensa-ficha-corrida/
Not only that, but Haddad was one of the worst mayors of São Paulo history with only 15% of approval:
During his term as Brazilian minister of education, the unified national exam for entering in Universities (ENEM) was frauded several times:
https://veja.abril.com.br/blog/rein...ato-do-mec-durante-gestao-de-fernando-haddad/
https://www.correio24horas.com.br/n...no-enem-podia-ter-acontecido-em-qualquer-ano/
https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fraude_do_Enem_de_2009
Brazilian students protests against the frauds:
Education isn't a circus
Brazil chose a politician of the far right instead of a corrupt and proven incompetent leftist politician. It also helps Bolsonaro that Brazil has an homicidal rate of 60.000 deaths per year, and PT did nothing to stop that rate to increase for many years. Public security is also something that played a big role in his election.
If there is a good thing, is that Bolsonaro already said he is commited to the Brazilian Constitution and will respect democracy and minorities (which is something that should be obvious, but well, the national and international press wants to make the devil out of him). All in all, I think it will be just like a Trump presidency and in the end, we'll be able to survive.
Yeah, we're even more fucked. I have a really bad feeling about this.
Ciro x Amoedo would be a far better contest and it's sad.
Even if it Haddad is PT he's a great guy, a very intelligent one.
I don't believe people voted for a meme. For a fucking guy full of hate like Bolsonaro.
Aos amigos brasileiros que fazem parte de minorias, força a vocês todos!
Ao pessoal da ciência, do meio-ambiente, e educação (daonde faço parte) boa sorte também, será ainda mais difícil, infelizmente.
Ciro x Amoedo would be a far better contest and it's sad.
Even if it Haddad is PT he's a great guy, a very intelligent one.
I don't believe people voted for a meme. For a fucking guy full of hate like Bolsonaro.
Aos amigos brasileiros que fazem parte de minorias, força a vocês todos!
Ao pessoal da ciência, do meio-ambiente, e educação (daonde faço parte) boa sorte também, será ainda mais difícil, infelizmente.
The image is cropped embedded but the headline is literally "Brazil elects far right populist"
Yeah, it's not like the Trump administration is doing shit about the right to discriminate LGBTQ+ people or whatever.
User banned (1 week): Downplaying people's fearful reactions in the face of impending fascism.
I'm not defending Bolsonaro, and I certainly am not agreeing with the things I say, but acording to his government plans, people should be free to relate to whoever they want. You have to know how to differentiate the person Jair Bolsonaro, who is a trash of a human being, from the President. Lula thought homosexuality was a disease and was against gay marriage, but we still saw advances in gay rights during his presidency.
I'm not evil, I'm just not as crazy and dramatic as some of you.
Awesome, just fucking awesome I just had a huge argument with a terrible aunt. Just great. I'm crying.
I don't. But as long as his actions as a president ensure that all kinds of people have their rights guaranteed, I really do not care what he does with his personal life.
