Of course not, I am arguing in favor of being inclusive and understanding. Saying some characters don't count as diversity because of x or y is the opposite of being inclusive.
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Smash Ultimate has 74 Characters, yet lacks Black/Brown characters (READ OP)
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Of course not, I am arguing in favor of being inclusive and understanding. Saying some characters don't count as diversity because of x or y is the opposite of being inclusive.
Japanese anime in most scenarios favor Eurocentric traits morso than anything else besides their own features or beauty standards. And a lot of the stuff they make is/was inspired by Western pop culture or Hollywood. Shit, Miyamoto was inspired by Popeye (a white sailor) when making Mario, a lot of this isn't accident. Smash will easily sell most of its copies here in the states.
I absolutely know diversity doesn't start or end at skin pigmentation, but this just further pushes the point I am trying to make. Western games are clearly struggling on this front, but there is proof that supports the idea that diversity isn't just exclusively a problem here.
Im not saying its good or bad really just that technically its what he is.
Though its also a bit of those Japanese games that like to cram a little nugget in there sometimes.
I remember something in Resident Evil saying Jill Valentine is part Japanese.
(I don't remember where though, I don't think it was a novel)
This is a problem with the lack of iconic black/brown leads or antagonists in gaming as a whole. The Smash roster is a celebration of the main characters from popular Nintendo and/or third-party series, and I'd say that the only character that definitely deserves a roster spot is already in the game (Ganondorf). Elma could be a good addition as well (though X is the least popular Xenoblade game so far), Twintelle and the Octoling Girl are too new.
Representation is important to me as a biracial dude, but I have very little interest in shoehorning the likes of Doc Louis or Mike Fucking Tyson into Smash just to have more black people on the roster. What we need are more black/brown leads in Nintendo series, and I think we've seen a shift in that direction in the past few years with Elma, Marina, Twintelle, etc... Claude in FE: Three Houses is one of the main protagonists, and he definitely ain't white.
Representation is important to me as a biracial dude, but I have very little interest in shoehorning the likes of Doc Louis or Mike Fucking Tyson into Smash just to have more black people on the roster. What we need are more black/brown leads in Nintendo series, and I think we've seen a shift in that direction in the past few years with Elma, Marina, Twintelle, etc... Claude in FE: Three Houses is one of the main protagonists, and he definitely ain't white.
The OP is not *technically* correct as Ganondorf is middle-eastern, or at least intended to be. There are also some dark-skinned Inkling skins and some skins here and there for other characters (though I believe those are meant to be tanned and not there to represent any race)
Have we already gone over what characters Nintendo could use? At the end of the day, they don't have many black/middle-eastern/etc characters to use, or at least none I can think of off the top of my head.
Maybe Nintendo will start adding more main characters that aren't white/Japanese in the future, but at least for this Smash there really isn't anyone except Ganondorf.
Have we already gone over what characters Nintendo could use? At the end of the day, they don't have many black/middle-eastern/etc characters to use, or at least none I can think of off the top of my head.
Maybe Nintendo will start adding more main characters that aren't white/Japanese in the future, but at least for this Smash there really isn't anyone except Ganondorf.
The highlighted part is one of the most patently ridiculous posts I've read on here in quite a while.
Not to mention the idea that Smash characters should be chosen based on their race is stupid as hell. The idea that they would pick Twintelle or Shantae over an iconic videogame character like Simon, just because Simon is white? Come on now.
Also Ken was obviously chosen because a) he's probably the second most iconic SF character after Ryu (though this is debateable, Chun-Li is probably tied for this) and b) he's an Echo, and therefore his development effort is significantly reduced.
I see many people bring up Doc Louis as a potential second Punch-Out!! rep, but why are we ignoring the rest of the diverse series cast? Personally, I believe the character with the best shot at becoming a Smash fighter is Bald Bull, who has been in more games than any other series character aside from Little Mac. Plus he's Turkish, so BOOM: Middle Eastern representation!
I don't understand why people in this thread think that Punch-Out will ever get a second rep. It's a miracle it even got one.
The only chance would be if a new game were released, but the existence of ARMS makes that very unlikely.
The only chance would be if a new game were released, but the existence of ARMS makes that very unlikely.
personally I'd give the nod to Mr. Sandman, since he's the closest thing the series has to a recurring Final Boss
If the context is 'someone not from Europe', then most of the Smash cast outside of the Mario Brothers and Little Mac wouldn't be 'white' since everyone else is from fantasy land. That and calling Italians white always comes off as broad brushing since you can have dark skin Italians depending on what part of the Italy you come from. Namely, Southern Italians is much darker than Northern Italians. For example:
Also, here are some interesting history about dark skinned Italians:
Southern Italians were considered "black" in the South and were subjected to the Jim Crow laws of segregation. They weren't allowed to marry "whites." It was difficult, damn near impossible.
They were designated as "black" on census forms if they lived in the South and that is because the majority of them were dark-skinned Sicilians.
https://www.africaresource.com/rast...ks-the-dark-skinned-sicilians/comment-page-2/
Overall, threads like this always read as missing the point, especially if we're counting Marine, an octopus hybrid, and Elma as POC because they have dark skinned. Elma particular comes off as particularly funny to me since Elma actually looks like this:
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I would absolutely love more representation, but the issue is there just aren't many prominent characters of color within Nintendo's history. Nintendo has gotten better about it over the years, but the pool of characters to choose from is still very low. Our best bet is probably Twintelle (whom I like a lot as a character).
Like someone said earlier, Smash Bros had a similar problem in the past with a lack of female characters, but has since gotten better about it. It's worth pointing out that both Inkling and Villager have alternate skin tone options in this game (reflecting their own respective series). It's not much but I do appreciate it.
Like someone said earlier, Smash Bros had a similar problem in the past with a lack of female characters, but has since gotten better about it. It's worth pointing out that both Inkling and Villager have alternate skin tone options in this game (reflecting their own respective series). It's not much but I do appreciate it.
Seriously? You are just going to erase the prejudice and racism that southern European migrants faced in places like Australia, the UK and the US?
I spoke about this earlier in the thread, but as an Australian of southern European ancestry (Greek), I was called wog (short for golliwog) and told to "go back to your own country". Like almost all migrants to predominantly Anglo-centric countries, my community was not initially accepted and was subjected to racism and prejudice. That has certainly changed, but it persevered long enough that I experienced it in the 80s and 90s.
If we're talking about diversity, please don't lump me into the "white" category because that is simplifying things at best and erasing my experiences at worst.
Something this forum needs to learn is to not view EVERYTHING through a US-centric lens.
This is an issue I always had too, and this is speaking from an American. People really simplified POC to skin tone or 'anything from Europe is white'. Especially when, as I posted above, Southern Italians were classified as 'black' here in the US and had to deal with Jim Crow and lynching. That the US has this 'one drop' rule where if you have a speck of Black in you bloodline, you're black, even if you look lily white and have blue eyes and blond hair. There is even a book based on a real life event about a black couple who escaped slavery by the woman looking white and passing her husband as her slave.
Dam, Rodin must never skip leg day. Those are some Chun Li level thighs
It would be great if there was more diversity in the Smash cast, but it's a symptom of Nintendo in general not having many PoC characters to choose from. With that said, I don't really like the quick fix idea of adding in some of these tertiary characters that have been posted in the thread. I mean, Doc Louis and Shinobu? They wouldn't even be the next reps to get in from their respective franchises.
I hope Twintelle is DLC. She's a great new PoC character that would actually make sense to join the roster.
I hope Twintelle is DLC. She's a great new PoC character that would actually make sense to join the roster.
You took this really personally and that is why you responded the way you did.
You decided to lecture me: a black American man on the perils of your personal experience with discrimination, and I have no interest in seeing who had it worse.
My main point was about the fact that Eurocentric/caucasian beauty standards still reign supreme in this medium, no matter where the game is made. The fact that there is so little representation in gaming in proportion to the amount of games we have in the modern space is still sad.
You are acting as if I decided for this to be the way things are. As if I took part in some American consensus vote that clumped Jewish, Americans, Greeks, and Italians as white even though they do that here and some reap the privileges as such. Even with you experiences, someone who visibly shows the traits of an African man would still be thought to be less than you. Barring the one drop rules where we get into blood lines get involved. Terrible things happen to human beings from all different walks of life, but that is a separate discussion than representation in video games.
See the above. And yes, I know the history of Italian people in this country. I know the history of Jewish people as well. I get it...
Of course I took it personally. You just generalised a whole group of people into an incorrect racial category then laughed it off as if you did nothing wrong. Then you yourself get offended and pull out the "but I'm a black American male" card which you seem to think is some free pass to be dismissive and, quite frankly, offensive.
I'm not lecturing you on who had it worse, never did and never will. Our experiences of racism are so different there is no comparison to be made. I didn't and don't face the same entrenched systematic racism that you face. But just because you have it worse does not mean you get to be dismissive towards everyone else and claim that the game lacks representation when it clearly doesn't. It just lacks representation that matters to you. Yes, the OP was specifically about black/brown representation, but I think the topic has moved on enough from that to allow a more encompassing discussion about overall representation.
Don't get me wrong, I agree with the OP. The industry does clearly have a problem with representation, particularly with black and brown people in protagonist vs antagonist roles. The point I am arguing is that it is wrong to say that there is no diversity in the Smash roster. There is quite a bit of diversity if you take off the US-centric goggles and look at it from a more global perspective.
My opinion is that Nintendo definitely missed an opportunity by not including characters like Twintelle or Misango in the main roster, but out of all of the Japanese companies, they are probably making the greatest strides when it comes to representation.
IMO this says more about the games than just SSMB,i cant think of many PoC nintendo characters, twintelle/Rodin/Marina come to mind.
Seems like a better use of time would be discussing why the series that get into Smash lack prominent examples of the races in question, not a series that simply reflects important characters (for the most part) from an array of IPs. Smash isn't proactive and it never will be, it's reactive.
Frankly there just aren't that many examples of characters that would fit the mould of what Smash prioritizes and what you lot prioritize. Maybe just Elma, and even then she's not so huge a character that her omission is shocking.
Frankly there just aren't that many examples of characters that would fit the mould of what Smash prioritizes and what you lot prioritize. Maybe just Elma, and even then she's not so huge a character that her omission is shocking.
Isn't this a consequence of people of color not being prominent in Japanese games period? Because sure they are adding 3rd party characters to the game but as far as I know for the most part all of the franchises being touched on are still exclusively Japanese IPs.
It's not like I go out of my way to remember when people of color are being represented in Japanese games but outside of fighting games the only ones I remember is Marina (Splatoon), Barret (FF7), Doc (Punch Out), Rodin (Bayonetta), Twintelle (ARMS), Sheva (RE5), Shinobu (NMH), Drebin (MGS4) and Sazh (FFXIII) if they are others than I can't remember them on the spot. Can anyone think of a good candidate to be added from a Japanese IP? And yes I specified Japanese because I don't see Nintendo adding characters from a Western IP.
It's not like I go out of my way to remember when people of color are being represented in Japanese games but outside of fighting games the only ones I remember is Marina (Splatoon), Barret (FF7), Doc (Punch Out), Rodin (Bayonetta), Twintelle (ARMS), Sheva (RE5), Shinobu (NMH), Drebin (MGS4) and Sazh (FFXIII) if they are others than I can't remember them on the spot. Can anyone think of a good candidate to be added from a Japanese IP? And yes I specified Japanese because I don't see Nintendo adding characters from a Western IP.
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There is room to discuss both of these issues. One isn't more important than the other and even if one was, then it doesn't mean discussing the other is a waste of time.
Smash is also not necessarily reactive. There have been instances of characters being included in Smash in order to promote upcoming games and there are also characters included in Smash that don't reflect the current Nintendo or gaming landscape. Ice Climbers weren't put in the game because it was a must play game in 2001. Smash very much can be and is proactive in certain instances and there's no real reason as to why it couldn't be proactive in increasing the amount of darker skin and black characters in order to further representation.
yeah, there's candidates but none are very likely. Because from their franchises there are 10 people that would get in first. Like Final Fantasy 13, RE, MGS.
to add to your list, the girl from RE5. I don't remember her name.
But again, there's like 10 RE characters who would get in before her.
Your are referring to Sheva and I did edit her to my list once I remember her but yeah...the candidates are there but they just wouldn't be added due to all of them having a side/sidekick/minor character status if anything the protagonist of each respective series would have dibs on a potential rooster slot first.
Yeah Smash is an indictment of all of Nintendo from past to present.
Video gaming in general, and not only Japan, but the West is also devoid dark skinned protagonists. Smash is dominated by Japanese characters, but if Sakurai said he would put the top 10 Western game protags in the next Smash, how many will be black or brown?
Because like I said, much of Nintendo's improvements on that front took place after the base roster was finalized. Most of those instances of promotional characters are with regards to pre-existing IPs that have already established themselves, not then-unproven new ones. At this point, our best (& possibly only realistic) bet for a PoC newcomer via DLC is Elma. It's hard to be proactive when, as of December 2015, you don't have much to choose from.
Speaking of Elma,
someone brought up an excellent point about Elma choosing to be black, so I'd agree that she counts.
Shantae has her fans, sure, but she's still only an indie character. And if we couldn't get Shovel Knight as playable, I'm not sure what chance Shantae had (all due respect to Shantae & her franchise). Castlevania is a pretty big (albeit currently-dormant) franchise that made history on many fronts, & I feel like you're selling the series way too short. As for Ken, he was an easy echo, plain & simple.
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But it's not as if all Smash characters are protagonists. They pull characters from games in general so you have villains along with side characters. That's a wide pool to pull from. And as the OP said, there isn't one black or brown character on the base roster. That's very much an indictment on Nintendo.
It lacks them because it's primarily based on Nintendo's roster of characters, so it doesn't exactly have a lot of choice to start with. Yes, a lot of Nintendo characters aren't human so they get a pass, but it does highlight the lack of diversity in general.
But take Twintelle for example. Her main problem, as I said numerous times, is her being a side character from a franchise that was not only announced way too late for the base roster, but also one whose two main characters got sidelined in one way or another. Even with Marina, there just isn't much to go on for her moveset since she's more of a tech expert. If anything, the Octolings (whose main/default incarnation is a black Octoling Girl) would be a better bet for PoC representation from Splatoon.
I already mentioned Elma, who I still believe is our best bet for more people of color in Smash, so there's her.
It's a shame Rodin is a assist trophy :/
Honestly if piranha plant can get in, more side characters should ...but that character was more of a joke <.< So...I dunno unless nintendo creates a new ip starring a person of color as the main character it's not gonna feel right imo also what 3rd party mascot is there that's black? Like you can't just add the dude from Watch_dogs 2 there has to be more impacting franchises
Only character that can seem viable is twintelle and Elma but both of these are not the "main character" of their series and Elma isnt even playable <.>
Yeah...Rodin could be awesome. They should get rid of one of the like 500 white dude with a sword Fire Emblem characters and replace with Rodin. His larger inclusion in Bayonetta 2 was fantastic.
Is this parody? What you're describing as rare is the norm! There's barely any non-feminine female characters in gaming! Female characters are almost always performatively female to ridiculous extents!
I would like Twintelle, she's more like me than anyone in smash, but for gods sake, drop this line, it's just silly. Gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah.
I'm all for a playable Rodin, but isn't removing characters going against the "Everyone is Here" tagline? Hell, the only FE newcomer this time is an echo.
It just seems like they're all a longshot for the reasons you mentioned. Twintelle has been popular since the moment she was announced, but she's not the main in ARMS. I believe that Spring Man. With Marina, it seems like if they intended on making the girls from the Splatoon bands playable then they would've gone with Callie and Marie given how popular they are. And if another Xeno character is added then i'd think they'd go straight to Xeno 2 given how popular it turned out to be.
Don't me wrong, I think Nintendo are definitely making an effort to diversify their casts. I believe it was the director of Splatoon that told Polygon that they went to Nintendo of America and Europe when designing Twintelle. And they rectified the issue with Animal Crossing where you couldn't create a character with dark skin. Then you have Marina. But it's slow moving. I think a big step for them will be to start including more characters with black or brown skin upfront as core cast members of their bigger games. Introduce a princess in the next Mario that fits into that mold. Yeah, there's Daisy but they can't seem to decide what skin tone she should even have. They're making more RPG's so they can do the same there. The positive reception of characters like Twintelle and Marina should give them the confidence to continue down that road.
Yeah, Nintendo is definitely making some progress. I just hope they continue to improve on PoC representation going forward.
As for the ongoing conversation of visibly Black & Brown inclusions, yeah this game may not get them DLC included.
But I'm glad this thread was made to highlight this problem.
Because I'm still pissed off Ganondorf is the only nonwhite fighter
But I'm glad this thread was made to highlight this problem.
Because I'm still pissed off Ganondorf is the only nonwhite fighter
Right, and Rodin even speaks about getting invited to Smash in Bayonetta 2, sadly they just means as an assist. He could easily be a playable character. And MORE importantly, I am hoping he gets to be a main playable character in Bayonetta 3, as that would be far more substantial than being in Smash.
Ok I just want to chime in a little here, I think we are all o the same page BUT you may be forgetting one small thing that is rather important to this discussion. And that one thing is that you are failing to recognize "Passing Privilege"
You are 100% correct in that pretending all "white people" are created equal is close minded and stupid. Who could pretend to understand what the Polish have had o deal with before the turn of the century, or the french being expelled from Canada ( which led to modern day Cajuns) or the British occupation of EVERYWHERE? These and so many more experiences are one's that should never be ignored or passed off as unimportant.
However, these experiences aren't worn on our sleeves, they are hidden as we walk down the street. your average passerby couldn't identify me as french, or the person beside me as British. Sure when we open our mouths we may give away our heritage through mannerism or accents, but that isn't what gets you pulled over by the cops for no reason, or "randomly" selected" at the airport.
I am a native American, a part of the Mi'kmaq community to be precise. I also have a lot of french in my genes. Almost a quarter. but for whatever reason I was born looking very white. So in spite of my heritage, and in spite of my people's prosecution that exists to this very day, I have passing privilege. I can walk in public without harassment or prosecution because I look no different than those around me.
I have lived in Japan, and China too, places where even though I passed as white, white was a visible minority, and I have to say that AGAIN, you are totally right! People on these forums are only accounting for the experience of being a visible minority in America. They aren't considering that there are a lot of places where white folk are in the minority, and when we are in these places, racism will find us. Just as it found me.
But the OP, and a lot of people here are speaking about race, not culture. And so me and you, we need to separate our experiences from what is visible. Yes racism and prosecution is something that happens to all walks of life, even those considered to be "white" and yes we need to change our ways of thinking about how we put ALL people of euro decent in the "white" category.
But, and this is a big BUT.
Smash doesn't really tackle culture. It DOES tackle color though. I think a few characters like Mario are somewhat placable in terms of where they are from, but overall these characters are just represented as white. Even the Japanese characters, because Japan is so fond of illustrating white characteristics on everyone, seem to be in the "white"category.
So giving full respect to what it means to be white, and what it means to respect our individual experience, there are no characters on the Smash roster who you would say, do NOT have passing privilege. Essentially everyone in the cast of main playable characters could easily pass as white, and would not be considered a "Visible minority" by anyones standards.
There ARE characters that could easily have been included in the roster, that are from current games, and who are relevant to Nintendo to one degree or another. characters that could easily be described as people who are visibly minorities.
Rodin,
with the recently released Bayonetta 1-2, and the upcoming Bayonetta 3, Rodin has a lot of current relevancy for Nintendo. He also has some incredibly fighting skills, making him a great match for Smash as more than an assist.
Twintelle
Obviously her lack of inclusion is an oversight on Nintendo's part, she has proven herself as a massive hit with fans and I am still baffled why they include the dude whos name I dont remember over her.
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Shinobu
TravisStrikes Again along with possible remasters of No More Heroes 1-2 will be gracing the Switch in 2019, as the character who was supposed to take up the reigns of no More Heroes, it isn't a stretch to want her in Smash, and Travis could be her echo.
Though at the same time, I feel like we're trying call out the leaves for a problem that originates from the roots. Smash is a representation of Nintendo (& gaming as a whole) as of a certain point, & late 2015-early 2016 was Ultimate's cut-off point for the base roster. Is there some room for Smash to improve, sure, but not by much given where Nintendo was in terms of representation 3 years ago. If Nintendo continues to improve in terms of PoC representation at their current rate (or better, preferably), we can hopefully see an improvement in terms of the number of people of color in the next Smash game.
This is a total cop out. All three of the characters listed above were perfectly relevant even with the cut off you suggest. Twintelle, who outweighs popularity of Spring Man by a landslide. It was evident she was a fan favourite long before the game even launched. So the decision to include him in the lineup instead of her was just absentminded at best, and in direct defiance to what fans of the game would want at worst.
The decision to include Rodin as an assist when he could have easily been made a player, or even an echo, is again, evident of the lack of consideration to representation.
Shinobu is a familiar character and we have known from Launch that a No More Heroes game was coming to Switch from the systems announcement event. And I am sure Suda 51 and Nintendo are already aware of the remastered editions of no More Heroes 1-2's chances of releasing.
And these are just characters off the top of my head. Characters like Marina from Splatoon 2, and Gray from Fire Emblem are also fan favorites. There isn't a total lack of characters to be chosen who are relevant, and fan favourites. The problem isn't that these characters didn't exist, the problem is that inclusion simply doesn't occur to Nintendo, and on a broader scale, people of Japan as a whole.
However, thanks to massive movements to reduce white washing in Hollywood, especially when it comes to giving white people roles of Japanese/asian characters, I feel that this issue, and the one of inclusion and consideration, is not coming to light a bit more in Japan, and around the world. Hopefully we will see Nintendo rectify some of these omissions in their DLC decisions.
I feel it is dismissive of you to say that there simply hasn't been anyone worth adding to Nintendo's roster for Smash, as there are a few excellent choices, and choices who's omission is actually rather baffling.
- I'll give you Rodin, I'd love to have him be playable.
- Twintelle is popular, yes, but she's still a side character from a franchise that both couldn't get its main character in the roster & an IP that wasn't even announced at the time (& Xenoblade 2 was already cited as announced too late to be in the roster). At best, Twintelle's popularity would have been known by Spring 2017, long after Smash Ultimate started development.
- There's not much for Marina to go on moveset-wise.
- I'm not huge on No More Heroes, so I can't offer fair judgement there. But isn't Travis Touchdown the main character? If so, it'd probably be a Twintelle situation for Shinobu where we'd probably get Travis first if anyone.
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Marina doesn't seem to be in the game at all (presumably Splatoon 2 is just too recent to get any sort of playable appearance)Do they allow you to play as Marina when using an Inkling? Sort of how you can play as any of the Koopalings instead of Bowser Jr?
If not, they should.
But there are two inkling alts with skin tones similar to her.
No, they don't allow you to play as any of the idols as alts for the Inklings. In fact, the Inklings as characters exclusively pull from Splatoon 1.Do they allow you to play as Marina when using an Inkling? Sort of how you can play as any of the Koopalings instead of Bowser Jr?
If not, they should.
They aren't also athletic in a way outside of "the thiings they do in this game requires they have athleticism."
Springman and Twintelle are both shown as athletes. They have promo art that puts them in gym settings actually working on their bodies and stories/supplemental material that tell you they are actually athletes. Minmin and Kid Cobra have stories and supplemental material that support their being athletes as well.
As opposed to Barq and Byte, Ribbon Girl, Misango, Mechanica, Coyle, and just about everyone else in the line up who have to be fit (or built to be) in order to be competing, but aren't shown to be athletic or actual athletes outside of the context of this tournament.
Probably need to stop thinking like that considering we got a generic minion as a fighter.
Misango does meditative training while balancing two giant stone statues on his arms.
I'd say that's superhumanly athletic.
Because is not too out there to think any given franchise could get more reps no matter which franchise it is.
And lets not forget with Piranha plant in, all bets are off about who is worthy of being in smash.
Yeah, I would have taken him as an echo over Chrom, who looks like a really poorly implemented echo on top of being ANOTHER blue haired Lord, almost not even worth the trouble, especially considering Robin still uses him in their FS.
Is there even an Asian character in Smash? Ryu is it and that is not even Nintendo character which is most of what they have to pull from nor was he even in the roster for a looong time. Nintendo might have a diversity problem by American standards but fans over in Japan don't seem too up in arms about a lack of representation of Asians from a literal Japanese company. Not saying that is right or wrong but just a different political space
Nintendo has a lack of diversity in general. I get that a large part o the idea of diversity in America right now is more African American representation but clearly this isn't some incredibly mixed up cast that is just ignoring black people
I mean arguably between Ganon and the alt skins for several other characters there is almost more black representation then Asian no?
Nintendo has a lack of diversity in general. I get that a large part o the idea of diversity in America right now is more African American representation but clearly this isn't some incredibly mixed up cast that is just ignoring black people
I mean arguably between Ganon and the alt skins for several other characters there is almost more black representation then Asian no?