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Deleted member 4346

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Oct 25, 2017
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Oh wow, I didn't realize that Shirrako was a shithead. Had watched his FromSoft videos many times.

Enjoy your YT ban. You earned it.
 

Violence Jack

Drive-in Mutant
Member
Oct 25, 2017
41,661
When you use a video game to play out your fantasies about killing/beating women, and you post it on YouTube, then you shouldn't be surprised when your channel gets canned.
 
Oct 27, 2017
2,172
United States
Why act this bothered by it? This forum doesn't impact jackshit, and never will, so why do you care about it? It's like you secretly think it's okay to be an asshole.

I'm male, white, and I don't care if someone says "White men are the worst,", I don't see me there, and it can be funny. Unless you're guilty of something, there's no reason to be this upset haha.
Sorry, but it's ok to be mad at people blaming you for shit you didnt do. I wouldn't begrudge anyone that.

I guess the real question is, why should someone NOT be bothered by prejudice against them?

Ps, this guy is slime, but all white men are not (is this guy even white? I assume so). See the difference? People should communicate more thoroughly.
 

Deleted member 12833

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Oct 27, 2017
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I wish more gamers realized that the things they do in video games are contextualized narratively. Killing a character who is meant to represent the suffrage movement (which the game sets up as noble and the main character in support of) who faces adversity at the hands of male detractors is a different gesture than killing an NPC with no backstory or killing a villainous character like a Klan member or a rival gang member. This is a narrative-heavy game in particular where your behavior has meaning and is supposed to mean something to you.

The decisions you make have meaning. They reflect on Arthur as a character. They reflect on you as a player. Even if you pump games directly in to your brain hole without giving any thought to what it says or what you're doing, that doesn't stop other people from judging you based on the decisions you made and the behavior you exemplify.

You can try to distance yourself from your actions in video games all you want, but you were the person who decided to do that. I think it's realistic for people to give you grief over those decisions when morality is at play.

Because yes the game allows you to punch or wrangle or kill every NPC. But there are NPCs you're not supposed to want to do that too. The decision to do so is on you. That's your decision-making process at work. Just because you say your actions in a video game don't have any meaning to you doesn't mean your actions in a video game don't have meaning.
Can't agree with this at all. Him posting it on YouTube with that title shows his agenda. The actual act in the game means nothing because it's not real.

While playing this game, Ive actually done the opposite of what I would do just to see how it plays out. All it says about me is I was curious about the result.
 

Nimby

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Oct 27, 2017
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Generally I would agree, but the character is pretty accurate to suffragists of the time. The only way they could get their voice heard was by shouting loud enough. If you kill her you get a rather large amount of negative honor, your wanted level is put at maximum and you gain a pretty significant bounty. So sure, you could kill her, but the downsides of doing so are pretty major.
Attracting the attention of the law in a Rockstar game is not necessarily a downside. Fighting off the law is a fun part of the gameplay, so killing a feminist NPC results in making the game more fun at certain times. Playing the role of a 'rough and tough' cowboy is attractive to many people too, many will play RDR2 to kill and rob indiscreetly and some indiscriminately as well. Sure you could argue the moral implications based on the game mechanics, but as explained those implications in actual gameplay range from a minor annoyance to entertaining.

The implication and promotion of violence against feminism allows these ideas to have a platform online and at demonstrations, from people who don't kill indiscriminately in games. Stopping the spread of anti-feminism is more important to me than certain players 'up in arms' that they can't kill suffragettes in a video game.
 

Marmoka

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Oct 27, 2017
5,010
I'm surprised many people here don't understand that he got banned because he was promoting misoginy and hatred against women.

He deserves that ban. Well done YouTube.
 

excelsiorlef

Bad Praxis
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Oct 25, 2017
73,316
The dude clearly has issues and his shit should have been removed.

But again the media swings and misses with an extremely overblown headline. It's the same shit Cecilia D'Anastasio was reporting on yesterday about that NPR story reporting games are turning kids into Nazis. It does nothing but play into the insane "parental fear-mongering as journalism" mantra that seems to be all the craze these days. https://kotaku.com/npr-is-very-worried-that-gaming-is-going-to-turn-kids-i-1830251817

That article calls NPR elitist media and basically is the writing equivalent of putting your head in the sand, we literally know gaming is a recruiting tool, literally some of the main alt-right figures emerged from gamergate

Pewdie is literally introducing children to Ben fucking Shapiro.
 

laser

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Feb 17, 2018
310
Can't agree with this at all. Him posting it on YouTube with that title shows his agenda. The actual act in the game means nothing because it's not real.

While playing this game, Ive actually done the opposite of what I would do just to see how it plays out. All it says about me is I was curious about the result.

Agreed. Thoughts shouldn't negatively reflect on a person. As soon as you turn that thought into action affecting other people though, like speech, you deserve the consequences.
 
Oct 25, 2017
1,866
Shirrakos channel is gone? Good. He was one of the worst for spoilery thumbnails and YouTube promoted his shit everywhere.

This. Was subscribed to him at one point but got fed up with my subscription box spoiling every game far in advance of when I could even start playing them. Glad I unsubscribed from this asshole a while ago, though didn't imagine he was actually this bad. Mostly the specific and repeated targeting of this particular NPC and the obviously misogynistic motivations behind it are the problem though. Even though I'd still find it distasteful (as I do for almost all innocent NPC killings), if this NPC was just killed as part of some kind of general rampage video it wouldn't be quite as heinous.

I do think the reporting should be focused on the person, and not on the game though. Based on how strongly they discourage this action with negative karma and a huge bounty, and that they basically do the opposite for killing racists, it's clear the game itself is not promoting this behavior.

I also will say that I wish there wasn't so much "all men are evil" sentiment in threads like these. I am definitely ashamed that there is a majority of my race and sex that vote for Republicans and/or subscribe to a variety of the worst kind of -isms, but this generalization is kind of shitty. I personally don't think it is very progressive to throw so many good people under the metaphorical bus. Why not just say racist/sexist men are evil? Or just simplify it to racists/sexists are evil, since there are bad women too?
 

Crossing Eden

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Oct 26, 2017
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Zeb

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Oct 27, 2017
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So what? I bet many people get a kick out of killing KKK members in this game. Some people are dicks, that's all.

Good call for YouTube to ban the video.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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That article calls NPR elitist media and basically is the writing equivalent of putting your head in the sand, we literally know gaming is a recruiting tool, literally some of the main alt-right figures emerged from gamergate

Pewdie is literally introducing children to Ben fucking Shapiro.
Huh, I kind of expect better of Kotaku than that.
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More on topic dude is transparent as fuck with his intentions so he can go kick rocks. He's probably whining on the latest alt-right startup site.
 

Qudi

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Jul 26, 2018
5,317
This dude went overboard with this shit. One just for the giggles would be fine. Multiple videos on how to kill feminists in the worst way possible in the game. You brought that to yourself boah. The video titles doesn't really help either. That's one big Yikes.
 

Tayaya

Banned
Oct 31, 2017
467
I think it should be stated that there are multiple ways in which the player can react to this scenario, and that the actions taken against this NPC are the same as the actions you can take against just about any other NPC in the game. The players that post shit like this to their social media are the ones that should be scrutinized, not the fact that the game lets you do it. The game doesn't instruct or guide you to beat this woman up or toss her off a cliff or onto train tracks or whatever. Is the game supposed to suddenly pop up an invisible barrier around this particular character or prompt the player to "maybe go find another target to harass" or something along those lines?

There's a part of the game where you can go kill a bunch of Klansmen that I am looking forward to, but you don't see any articles about it. Yes obviously no one's going to make any effort to defend what's very obviously a hate group, but the point remains that the game represents a lot of different facets of society in its attempt to emulate a realistic if not slightly exaggerated depiction of America at the turn of the 20th century.

Rockstar made the sandbox, but it's up to the players to dig the trenches or build the castles in it. These assholes just choose to dig the trenches.
 

Oniletter

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Oct 27, 2017
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Had that video recommended to me as well. Super fucked up.

All women want is to be treated equally and to have the same opportunities. It's really not rocket science.
 

Deleted member 4037

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Oct 25, 2017
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Banned because he killed an npc?.. Unreal.
Context, its specifically targeting a npc because of what they represent and fostering feelings of aggression towards them because of their ideology that can be taken into the real world. It serves no other purpose, if you want to do that on your own time, whatever, Youtube shouldnt be complicit in the proliferation of that and they did the right thing by banning them
 

Van Bur3n

Avenger
Oct 27, 2017
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Sure, I see that.

Deleting someone's entire channel because of it though? No, that's ridiculous.

The dude's answer to this was digging his hole deeper by saying what he will do next with more content with the same context in mind. This ain't a guy who deserves a second chance to better their ways and content. It's a guy who wants to further their awful agenda out of sheer spite.

Nothing ridiculous about it. No reason to want this guy to have any sort of second chance because clearly nothing good will come of it. Why do you want him around still?
 

Driver

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
1,053
Southern California
lmfao people really mad at me for acknowledging the fact that men are so fucked up. We benefit from generations of power + control and we have little fucking incels and meninists running around? And somehow, I'm supposed to be banned for simply stating men are trash? Why do other dudes get so offended by the fact that we ain't shit? Men get away with so much foul shit simply because we are dudes. Saying men are trash isn't offensive, it's truth.

You made an inflammatory post. Most men are not trash. Saying so just makes you seem like some girl who got out of a bad relationship and swears all men are just like their shitty boyfriend. Men are a diverse bunch. It's an ignorant and inflammatory post that seems to reflect some self loathing.
 

HyperFerret

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Oct 25, 2017
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For context, Shirrako had around 500k subs. Here's how he decided to respond once his channel was terminated.


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You could also punch women in RDR1, but there's a clear difference in intent between punching random NPCs and specifically targeting certain NPCs because you're a horrible person. Cry me a river, Shirrako.
 

Jam

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Oct 25, 2017
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"You kill loads of men and no one complains! Punch one woman and the world goes wild..."

*published 20 videos of Annoying Feminist killed by _______ or ate by _______*

..uh, I don't think you killing a woman is the issue here bub, mainly the agenda and increasingly gruesome ways you're putting it forward?
 

ChrisD

One Winged Slayer
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Oct 25, 2017
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Garbage by this guy showed up in my community post feed, it was on how he made news by triggering the SJWs. I was extremely confused why I received the post, as I wasn't subbed to him. Turns out, it's because he was the uploader I evidently used for listening to Bloodborne's OST. That's as stupid as Twitter showing me what friends liked on my own feed.

Nice to see his channel terminated after skimming said garbage community post.
 

Deleted member 5853

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Oct 25, 2017
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ResetERA: "Why don't people who play games want to be called gamers?"

Gamers: *throw hissyfit at Blizzard over not revealing a game that isn't ready*

Gamers: *defend a YouTuber who made multiple videos about killing a suffragette in various gruesome ways to "rek the SJWs"*

Gamers: *equate feminism to the Ku Klux Klan out of outrage that Rockstar is penalizing folks for killing Klan members*

ResetERA: "It is truly mindboggling!"
 

Bansai

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Oct 28, 2017
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I like how he's grasping at more prominent youtubers asking for help xD

I do think that youtube bended their ToA a bit with this channel closure, as violent montages are pretty much everywhere on YT (even on my channel, though nothing as edgy as that). If they wanted to close him for this they should've just make it crystal clear and overall send a stronger message as a result.

Will be funny if Jim makes a video about this calling him an idiot.

I bet he's gonna mention it in one of his videos and poke fun.
 

Finale Fireworker

Love each other or die trying.
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Oct 25, 2017
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Can't agree with this at all. Him posting it on YouTube with that title shows his agenda. The actual act in the game means nothing because it's not real.

While playing this game, Ive actually done the opposite of what I would do just to see how it plays out. All it says about me is I was curious about the result.

I agree that there is a difference between morbid curiosity and experimentation and carrying out a playthrough with specific actions in mind - let alone making a video and uploading it to YouTube.

I wasn't really referring to your style of play as you described. More the people who commit to their actions or relish in them.
 

LiquidSword

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Oct 25, 2017
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One hyperbolic post and now the thread is basically all #notallmen. So surprising. Some of you so badly want to say "you fucking SJW's!" lol
 

Issen

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Nov 12, 2017
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To all the people in this thread who are apparently offended by this (admittedly oddly written) post - consider that 74% of crimes committed in the US are committed by men including 89% of the murders committed and 99.1% of rapes committed. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Really now? This is some race realism-tier stuff. Let's just not make generalizations like these.
 
Nov 23, 2017
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You made an inflammatory post. Most men are not trash. Saying so just makes you seem like some girl who got out of a bad relationship and swears all men are just like their shitty boyfriend. Men are a diverse bunch. It's an ignorant and inflammatory post that seems to reflect some self loathing.
Yeah bro not all men right? This post is super cringy. Guess he hit a nerve, I wonder why.