Motherboard: RDR2 Players Are Excited to Attack and Kill Feminists in the Game [update: re-instated]

vestan · Nov 7, 2018

MotionBlue said:
Nice ad hominem. I'm probably the only one that actually read the article, and googled the offending video(its going viral now, good job Streisand effect). Now you and several other users are also dogpiling anyone who disagrees.

The video is ludicrously banal. He uses antagonize. The NPC quips back, so he punches her and gets a bounty. There are YT channels that are actually anti-feminist, and who (arguably) do more damage.

My 'awful sexism' against men comment is directly responding to the person posting made up statistics. Something that Era should not tolerate.

Don't quote me. Don't @ me. I'm not responding to the derail anymore.

Right, but you understand that the dude is clearly targeting the same NPC over and over again for a reason right? He's uploaded way more videos aside from the first one where he literally parades her around town hogtied and feeds her to various animals for le epic maymays. I don't disagree that there are other Youtubers out there that should be dealt with too but no one should be aping for this person.

excelsiorlef · Nov 7, 2018

MotionBlue said:
Nice ad hominem. I'm probably the only one that actually read the article, and googled the offending video(its going viral now, good job Streisand effect). Now you and several other users are also dogpiling anyone who disagrees.

The video is ludicrously banal. He uses antagonize. The NPC quips back, so he punches her and gets a bounty. There are YT channels that are actually anti-feminist, and who (arguably) do more damage.

My 'awful sexism' against men comment is directly responding to the person posting made up statistics. Something that Era should not tolerate.

Don't quote me. Don't @ me. I'm not responding to the derail anymore.

He chose to put it online, he could have kept his feminist murder fantasies within the confines of his own home and game, alas he turned it into a monetized product and thus you know shit changes.

excelsiorlef · Nov 7, 2018

DeeDogg said:
Where does the TOS say that though? Sounds like you tubers have to start walking on eggshells to keep their channels intact

Good it's time for these shits to be a bit more afraid.

RedOnePunch · Nov 7, 2018

Eros said:
Chances that these folks are mad that you can kill the kkk? 101%?

They'll play the victim and be upset that nobody is mad when people kill the KKK

HyperFerret · Nov 7, 2018

Bayouswampman said:
There was a specific achievement in RDR1 about kidnapping a woman and having a train run her over.

I'm aware.

It's still not really the same thing, that was more of a homage to cartoony western villains, and not really a statement on womens rights.

DeeDogg · Nov 7, 2018

PM Prime Minister said:
It's probably the fact that all of his video clips are intentionally targeting female NPCs that are feminists. That is the context here. I don't think anyone would give a damn if it's a random guy or a random girl dying on a train tracks, but he's specifically targeting a character that is fighting for feminism and killing them in numerous ways.

Yeah he seemed to have some weird fetish for the thing. More than 10 videos of the same thing all edited and cut adequately and the games only been out a little less than 2 weeks.

I just think YT should update their TOS because other YTers get their channels terminated for things that they had no knowledge about.

Deleted member 1248 · Nov 7, 2018

DeeDogg said:
Where does the TOS say that though? Sounds like you tubers have to start walking on eggshells to keep their channels intact

God forbid anybody be held accountable for anything not codified in the law.

alexlf · Nov 7, 2018

DeeDogg said:
Where does the TOS say that though? Sounds like you tubers have to start walking on eggshells to keep their channels intact

In the community guidelines, under "Hateful Content":

Our products are platforms for free expression. But we don't support content that promotes or condones violence against individuals or groups based on race or ethnic origin, religion, disability, gender, age, nationality, veteran status, or sexual orientation/gender identity, or whose primary purpose is inciting hatred on the basis of these core characteristics.

Avis · Nov 7, 2018

I'm shocked at the amount of posters here handwaving this. It isn't rocket science.

I have a young cousin who loves Dark Souls. Maybe they've watched some of this dipshits videos, or listened to the music he posted. Because of that, youtube bombards their recommend page with this:

And now he's become more desensitized to violence against women, specifically feminists, who already have enough problems and enemies as is. Feminists are now the butt of a joke, a punchline.

Both the youtuber AND Youtube are at fault here. The youtuber promotes violence against women to a ridiculous extent, and the YT algorithm allows this stuff to be promoted to a massive audience, much of which is young.

Deleted member 5853 · Nov 7, 2018

Gotta say, the sheer amount of people that are more mad about one dude saying "men are trash" than a dude making multiple videos killing an "annoying feminist" really highlights why I don't want to be called a gamer.

Y'all more concerned about preserving the dignity of men than calling out a dude who made some fucked up content pandering to the alt-right.

Deleted member 24907 · Nov 7, 2018

DeeDogg said:
Where does the TOS say that though? Sounds like you tubers have to start walking on eggshells to keep their channels intact

Avoiding uploading numerous YT videos in which you find creative ways to kill feminists,, specifically feminists, in a video game is "walking on eggshells" now?

nillansan · Nov 7, 2018

DeeDogg said:
Where does the TOS say that though? Sounds like you tubers have to start walking on eggshells to keep their channels intact

That would be a change for the positive, YouTube is riddled with far right extremism.

Snkfanatic · Nov 7, 2018

DeeDogg said:
Where does the TOS say that though? Sounds like you tubers have to start walking on eggshells to keep their channels intact

You categorize someone not posting multiple videos killing the same "feminist NPC" in varying ways having to walk on eggshells? You can't be serious.

UltraDSA · Nov 7, 2018

Bayouswampman said:
Lets pretend the video was titled "Killing redneck southerners" and it was about indiscriminately murdering normal nonhostile NPCs around Rhodes and the other areas of Lemoyne. Would youtube have enacted the same punishment?

No they wouldn't and I'm sure there's plenty of content like that out there at this very second.

DeeDogg · Nov 7, 2018

excelsiorlef said:
Good it's time for these shits to be a bit more afraid.

Or it's time for YouTube to update their old ass outdated TOS. It should be like a biannual thing.

ElBoxy · Nov 7, 2018

MisterBear said:
Woa, what?

No the Feminist NPC Protestor is extremely annoying.

This is such a crazy jump to conclusions .

How does that justify killing them and making a video about how cool it is to kill Feminists? Do you know how bad that looks not just to a person but to a community?

How About No · Nov 7, 2018

Driver said:
You made an inflammatory post. Most men are not trash. Saying so just makes you seem like some girl who got out of a bad relationship and swears all men are just like their shitty boyfriend. Men are a diverse bunch. It's an ignorant and inflammatory post that seems to reflect some self loathing.

da fuq

take_marsh · Nov 7, 2018

Imma agree with youtube on this one. The videos titles establish a harmful context to the events within.

Lol at boogie and h3h3 mention.

SurrenderDorothy · Nov 7, 2018

Imagine doing this after reading Arthur's journal where he wrote about his time with

the suffragettes and having a good time.

Ravelle · Nov 7, 2018

Good riddance, complaining on twitter for attention is always gross even more so if you tag a a couple other YouTubers in hope they support you or make a video about it.

ShinUltramanJ · Nov 7, 2018

Holy shit I saw this video pop up on YouTube among suggested feeds. Glad he had his channel terminated. What an asshole.

Deleted member 2620 · Nov 7, 2018

i don't get why arguing that a dude's monetized video game suffragette murder compilation videos are worth keeping hosted and accessible is getting me dogpiled on

i'm having an entirely normal one over here, what gives

alexlf · Nov 7, 2018

DeeDogg said:
Or it's time for YouTube to update their old ass outdated TOS. It should be like a biannual thing.

Maybe you missed my post, but it's been in the TOS for years now. See above.

MotionBlue · Nov 7, 2018

Avis said:
I'm shocked at the amount of posters here handwaving this. It isn't rocket science.

I have a young cousin who loves Dark Souls. Maybe they've watched some of this dipshits videos, or listened to the music he posted. Because of that, youtube bombards their recommend page with this:

And now he's become more desensitized to violence against women, specifically feminists, who already have enough problems and enemies as is. Feminists are now the butt of a joke, a punchline.

Both the youtuber AND Youtube are at fault here. The youtuber promotes violence against women to a ridiculous extent, and the YT algorithm allows this stuff to be promoted to a massive audience, much of which is young.

Yep, pretty much. I'm not sure if Shirrako is alt-right, or just another snake YTer chasing views and ad revenue though.

nillansan · Nov 7, 2018

MotionBlue said:
The video is ludicrously banal. He uses antagonize. The NPC quips back, so he punches her and gets a bounty. There are YT channels that are actually anti-feminist, and who (arguably) do more damage.

How does this not qualify as being anti-feminist content? Are you just ignoring all the context provided in the OP?

MotionBlue said:
Don't quote me. Don't @ me. I'm not responding to the derail anymore.

Fuck off then, coward.

LiquidSword · Nov 7, 2018

torre_avenue said:
Gotta say, the sheer amount of people that are more mad about one dude saying "men are trash" than a dude making multiple videos killing an "annoying feminist" really highlights why I don't want to be called a gamer.

Y'all more concerned about preserving the dignity of men than calling out a dude who made some fucked up content pandering to the alt-right.

Every thread about women since gamergate. It's like they wait for one poster to make a post like that and then come in and derail.

Deleted member 4034 · Nov 7, 2018

torre_avenue said:
Gotta say, the sheer amount of people that are more mad about one dude saying "men are trash" than a dude making multiple videos killing an "annoying feminist" really highlights why I don't want to be called a gamer.

Y'all more concerned about preserving the dignity of men than calling out a dude who made some fucked up content pandering to the alt-right.

Gotta live up to the phrase.

DeeDogg · Nov 7, 2018

alexlf said:
Maybe you missed my post, but it's been in the TOS for years now. See above.

I've seen it. Thank you for that. I feel stupid now though so I'll hang my head in shame and leave now before the dogpile lets on even harder.

clamj00ce · Nov 7, 2018

Greebman said:
YT was so kind to recommend me one of these vids too even though I didn't watch anything regarding feminism, criticism of feminism or even RDR 2 at that point. YT just decided it was a cool video to spread.
When I came across the mission in the game I already had a feeling a bunch of losers would jump on it.

Me too. Stupid YouTube algorithms

Rigby · Nov 7, 2018

Spinluck said:
Are you just ignoring the context?

You mean the context of being a game?

Bansai · Nov 7, 2018

torre_avenue said:
Gotta say, the sheer amount of people that are more mad about one dude saying "men are trash" than a dude making multiple videos killing an "annoying feminist" really highlights why I don't want to be called a gamer.

Y'all more concerned about preserving the dignity of men than calling out a dude who made some fucked up content pandering to the alt-right.

I'd wager that more people still are upset about the videos rather than the post, so no need to group every user together.

And some people are mad because it's a bit weird that in this supposedly open and inclusive community you can just throw a sizebale chunk of the world to one bag and call them all trash. Personally I don't give a shit but it's easy to see why somebody would be irked by this.

SurrenderDorothy said:
Imagine doing this after reading Arthur's journal where he wrote about his time with

the suffragettes and having a good time.

That would probably be one of those ludonarrative dissonance thingies haha.

alexlf · Nov 7, 2018

DeeDogg said:
I've seen it. Thank you for that. I feel stupid now though so I'll hang my head in shame and leave now before the dogpile lets on even harder.

Alright, no problem. Sorry if I came off as snappy, I just have a history of people seemingly ignoring my posts lol.

Deleted member 4976 · Nov 7, 2018

torre_avenue said:
Gotta say, the sheer amount of people that are more mad about one dude saying "men are trash" than a dude making multiple videos killing an "annoying feminist" really highlights why I don't want to be called a gamer.

Y'all more concerned about preserving the dignity of men than calling out a dude who made some fucked up content pandering to the alt-right.

Yeeeeeep.

Deleted member 4034 · Nov 7, 2018

Voryn said:
How is this allowed?

MotionBlue said:
This controversy is dumb, and the blatant sexism against men in this thread is awful.

No one cares when you criticize a dominant group in power for the shitty things they do and say. Because it hurts no one.

Are my feelings supposed to be hurt because a guy said men are trash. Okay, gonna keep enjoying my male privileges and continue being part of the dominant group on this site with the loudest voice.

MisterBear · Nov 7, 2018

LiquidSword said:
Every thread about women since gamergate. It's like they wait for one poster to make a post like that and then come in and derail.

I'm sure everyone would stand by and accept someone coming in and stating, "All women are a trash species". That'd go over real well...

Thinking that, "well no, that is an incorrect view point and the other one is wrong" is literally what the opposite side would say about that. Thus conjuring a community of one sided people that think, "They are in the right" when in reality, both are fucked up. It's all fucked up. Stop judging people by their sex and race, it's not that hard. All around.

Now come the drive by's of people inflammatory comments towards me, just because it's accepted here.

DeeDogg · Nov 7, 2018

alexlf said:
Alright, no problem. Sorry if I came off as snappy, I just have a history of people seemingly ignoring my posts lol.

No I was going through like a million and saw yours lol

Spinluck · Nov 7, 2018

Rigby said:
You mean the context of being a game?

Him using the game as a platform to prop up misogyny for views.

Unless you want to blame Rockstar for making Women's Suffrage a thing in the game.

Alimnassor · Nov 7, 2018

Why are you even allowed to kill them in this game? Wtf is wrong with you Rockstar? Even in-game violence against Women is unacceptable.

ScribeofGeadhain · Nov 7, 2018

Ryna said:
Don't worry YongYea will have a video out in a few hours.

Haha. I stumbled across that dude while browsing YouTube vids while trying to figure out a "non-sensational" title for my Diablo Immortal impressions vid, and I wondered if what I was watching was parody—I quickly realized it wasn't.

SurrenderDorothy · Nov 7, 2018

Bansai said:
That would probably be one of those ludonarrative dissonance thingy haha.

Definitely, lol. Doing my boy Arthur dirty like this with their hateful agenda. To then cry like a baby on Twitter, those videos were something else...
Glad Shirrako's channel got busted.

Alimnassor said:
Why are you even allowed to kill them in this game? Wtf is wrong with you Rockstar? Even in-game violence against Women is unacceptable.

There are women enemy types in this game though. Bounties and the like.
Like any other Rockstar game they let you do what you want. He just used the game mechanics for his shitty politics.

Astral · Nov 7, 2018

MosquitoSmasher said:
Your guess is as good as mine. Would have expected a warning by now. It's an absolutely ridiculous thing to say and shouldn't just be ignored so easily, not when folks receive warnings or bans for even less worse things.

I know this is kind of off topic but I'm not seeing the problem with someone saying "men are the worst" or something similar. Considering the shit women have to put up with, it's not too crazy to think that. It also seemed like obvious hyperbole to me.

djshauny1 · Nov 7, 2018

Alimnassor said:
Why are you even allowed to kill them in this game? Wtf is wrong with you Rockstar? Even in-game violence against Women is unacceptable.

Its a videogame dude. Not real life.

Palette Swap · Nov 7, 2018

MotionBlue said:
This controversy is dumb, and the blatant sexism against men in this thread is awful.

Miss me with this bullshit when you were camping for Comicgate a few months back.

Deleted member 16640 · Nov 7, 2018

Bobo Dakes said:
No one cares when you criticize a dominant group in power for the shitty things they do and say. Because it hurts no one.

Are my feelings supposed to be hurt because a guy said men are trash. Okay, gonna keep enjoying my male privileges and continue being part of the dominant group on this site with the loudest voice.

Please dont quote me. The mods made their stance very clear on the issue and I don't want to get banned for ignoring their red text.

WhiskerFrisker · Nov 7, 2018

I was so fucking disappointed when I saw this video in my recommendation. I used Shirrako to listen to Bloodborne OST and I couldn't believe he was this type person. Fucking shameful.

Skux · Nov 7, 2018

The article is misguided. The problem here isn't RDR2, it's the YouTubers making content against YouTube's ToS.

SolicitorPirate · Nov 7, 2018

Man fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck gamers.

Complete fucking gutter trash

Tranqueris · Nov 7, 2018

lucebuce said:
There's upsides to the amount of freedom that the game gives you though.

Yeah I've been wondering how these people are reacting to the fact that Morgan hates the Klan and treats black people like human beings.

Deleted member 5853 · Nov 7, 2018

You know what's equally as distressing to me? The people that came in to say "#NotAllMen" and "But why is this wrong?" and just bounced.

To those people, you're the reason why gaming as a medium isn't taken seriously. You're the reason why women and anyone not straight, not male, or not-white sounding gets shit thrown at them for not being the norm. How hard is it to have some fucking empathy for people that aren't you and step back to see the bigger picture? Christ, I just know that you will be the folks that insist on games being art while enjoying jiggling anime tits and acting hostile to any modicum of attempt to make gaming more accessible & welcoming. You're the ones holding gaming back from being better because all you do is jump into threads like this, act like devil's advocates for topics that really don't need them, and bounce, awaiting the next time you can defend men, anime tits, and gamers behaving badly.

Deleted member 4034 · Nov 7, 2018

Voryn said:
Please dont quote me. The mods made their stance very clear on the issue and I don't want to get banned for ignoring their red text.

Hope you learned something.

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