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excelsiorlef

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Oct 25, 2017
73,315
How am I shitting on feminist? And please show me where I defended the guy...

I don't think it's smart to make guys like this into martyrs.

He's not being turned into a martyr, he just not being allowed to share his feminist murder fantasies that end up in everyone's algorithms and thus exposing his feminist murder fantasies to an even wider audience,
 

Deleted member 2620

User requested account closure
Banned
Oct 25, 2017
4,491
Killing feminists in a fucking video game where you can potentially kill everyone is bad, but watching KKK members burn to death or actively killing people with different opinions in gruesome ways is tolerated or even hilarious. Okay, gotcha. Not hypocritical at all.

whew this is a wild one
 

Wiped

Banned
Nov 2, 2017
2,096
I see what you did there, and if you:

a) imply that assaulting these "types" of women is okay because they are not productive members of society or some bullshit
b) imply the devs feel the same by allowing this action

Then buddy. You'll have a fun time here.

I'm not suggesting that at all, where did you pluck that from?

I just thought it's interesting how society changes a lot in some ways but not a lot in other ways, and how Rockstar was at the centre both times.
 

SolidSnakex

Member
Oct 25, 2017
23,304
SolidSnakex As of right now, I am reluctant to look at that spoiler beyond reading "chapter 3". I am sorry. Hopefully, I can come back to your post after I have dealt with chapter 3.

That's cool. Without spoiling anything specific I think you'll be pleasantly surprised by the game when it comes to its handling of social issues. I have been and I know others have been as well. This isn't GTA.
 

Spinky

Member
Oct 25, 2017
5,112
London
Shirrako regularly floods my recommendations with spoilers for brand new games barely 24 hours after they've been out, so him getting banned is good shit. Don't come back.
 

Descapp

Member
Oct 27, 2017
114
I know this channel because it always appear in my recommendations (despite saying I'm not interested) with spoilers in the thumbnail, so good riddance lol

The videos are terrible and the whole "why can you kill men but not women!!" is pathetic.
 

Mesoian

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Oct 28, 2017
26,369
How am I shitting on feminist? And please show me where I defended the guy...

I don't think it's smart to make guys like this into martyrs.

I mean, your statement, whether you meant it this way or not, was that we should let such hateful videos go unhindered because to act or speak against them might rile them up to doing more.

Which, you know, is bad and wrong. It is badong.
 

Dalik

Member
Nov 1, 2017
3,528
Killing feminists in a fucking video game where you can potentially kill everyone is bad, but watching KKK members burn to death or actively killing people with different opinions in gruesome ways is tolerated or even hilarious. Okay, gotcha. Not hypocritical at all.
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Klyka

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Oct 25, 2017
18,383
Germany
Killing feminists in a fucking video game where you can potentially kill everyone is bad, but watching KKK members burn to death or actively killing people with different opinions in gruesome ways is tolerated or even hilarious. Okay, gotcha. Not hypocritical at all.
Wow you are a fucking moron
 

Trup1aya

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Oct 25, 2017
21,308
I mean, your statement, whether you meant it this way or not, was that we should let such hateful videos go unhindered because to act or speak against them might rile them up to doing more.

Which, you know, is bad and wrong. It is badong.
Please show me where I said we just let hateful videos go unhindered or that we shouldn't speak against hate.... I'll wait.

I think the article did the opposite of hindering him. It made him a hate celebrity.
 

ctj

Prophet of Truth
The Fallen
Oct 27, 2017
2,318
Bay Area, California
I don't think it's any more hyperbolic than saying this guy was promoting violence with his videos. When he also apparently had videos doing the same things to racists in the game. Don't like the titles he used, but don't think he should have his whole channel banned.

They're still not real people.

Not the same, this game wasn't made to specifically kill feminist characters. It's an open world sandbox wherein you can choose to kill or not kill anybody in it. And, although I don't like these videos where he targets a feminist character (for seemingly because of who she is), even that isn't as bad as making a Nazi simulator. Come on.

That's extrapolating quite a lot, considering he was also doing (or going to do) similar videos towards racists. This is some Jack Thompson BS, GTA/Mortal Kombat gonna poison the kids and make them act out these violent acts kinda shit.

I apologize if you think I was trying to sound smart or above it all or anything like that. I just dislike Youtube's actions, the guy's videos, and the assertions that those videos are promoting real violence against real people.
Jack Thompson argued that games made kids violent. This is some MRA asshole putting his toxic ideology into the game. Completely different.
 

Mesoian

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Oct 28, 2017
26,369
No, report him, get his channel dropped. Don't get him even more publicity by making him a headline.

I mean, I also don't think it's wrong to point at his poor actions and say, "See this? This is bad. Don't do this. He was dumb for doing this and here's why," where then we can have a greater conversation about why he was wrong, why google was wrong for pushing his videos so hard, and why people shouldn't repeat his actions out of some weird spite-filled angle because they don't understand the concept of "hateful content".
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Killing feminists in a fucking video game where you can potentially kill everyone is bad, but watching KKK members burn to death or actively killing people with different opinions in gruesome ways is tolerated or even hilarious. Okay, gotcha. Not hypocritical at all.
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You thought this was profound, didn't you?
 

DigitalOp

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Nov 16, 2017
9,272
Killing feminists in a fucking video game where you can potentially kill everyone is bad, but watching KKK members burn to death or actively killing people with different opinions in gruesome ways is tolerated or even hilarious. Okay, gotcha. Not hypocritical at all.

Black People don't belong in America and should be exterminated - DIFFERENT OPINION

Equates Racist Murderers with Women fighting for Civil Rights


Wambo, are you stupid or evil? Which one?
 

excelsiorlef

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Oct 25, 2017
73,315
You are. My comment didn't deserve a more enhancing response, yet here you are, four posts later, still engaging, but still not saying shit.

Actually if you look above I did in fact elaborate

He's not being turned into a martyr, he just not being allowed to share his feminist murder fantasies that end up in everyone's algorithms and thus exposing his feminist murder fantasies to an even wider audience,

You never really explained why this is bad for feminism....
 

psychowave

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Oct 25, 2017
1,655
i wish jack thompson hadn't completely poisoned the well wrt violence in video games, because i do feel that there's a very interesting discussion to be had about the glorification of violence in video games, as well as the fact that most games require you to be violent to proceed, and how games devs seem to struggle with coming up with ways to meaningful interact with game worlds that don't require you to destroy shit

of course Gamerz are completely allergic to any kind of nuanced criticism of video games so maybe even if jack thompson didn't exist they would still react poorly to discussion about violence in video games anyway
 

Tensuke

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Oct 27, 2017
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SO YEA ABOUT THAT POLICY
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I think there's disagreement about whether this actually breaks the TOS because, again, it's from a video game. I think that's the most important fact when looking at what happened, I don't think it should be discounted as some people are doing. I've only got the article to go off of since the video was removed, but it appears in-game he just kills people, and the titles are, while objectionable, just describing what he did. Not something like, "This is what you should do to feminists" which I do think would be promoting or condoning violence against real people, and would break TOS. But the question is, are video game characters protected groups? Personally, I don't think so, which is why I don't think the video strictly breaks the TOS. Maybe the guy made hateful comments in the video, or in the comments on the page, but I don't know that since it was removed.

Jack Thompson argued that games made kids violent. This is some MRA asshole putting his toxic ideology into the game. Completely different.
Thompson often argued that violent games were an outlet where kids could rehearse their existing violent fantasies, which is what you're accusing this guy of doing. And maybe he was, his titles certainly suggest it, but there is no study that shows real life violence linked to video game violence, so the point would be moot regardless of why he made the video.
 
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MisterBear

Attempted to circumvent ban with alt account
Banned
Nov 1, 2017
656
This may come as a huge shock to you because you keep repeating it BUT no one gives a shit if you think the npc was annoying. It has no relevance to this topic aside from lowkey trying to justify the videos and your own ridiculous response to the npc in question. So you can stop talking about how annoying a character being abrasive about her right to vote is kthx.
To be fair though, I don't think game characters should get the right to vote. If that's what you are getting at.
 

excelsiorlef

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Oct 25, 2017
73,315
I think there's disagreement about whether this actually breaks the TOS because, again, it's from a video game. I think that's the most important fact when looking at what happened, I don't think it should be discounted as some people are doing. I've only got the article to go off of since the video was removed, but it appears in-game he just kills people, and the titles are, while objectionable, just describing what he did. Not something like, "This is what you should do to feminists" which I do think would be promoting or condoning violence against real people, and would break TOS. But the question is, are video game characters protected groups? Personally, I don't think so, which is why I don't think the video strictly breaks the TOS. Maybe the guy made hateful comments in the video, or in the comments on the page, but I don't know that since it was removed.

I don;t think you make 10 videos or whatever where you meticulously play out your feminist murder fantasies and then post them with Alt-right clickbait monitzation titles just for fun. It's expressing hatred.
 

Iva Demilcol

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
3,049
Iwatodai Dorm
Ah, I subscribed to Shirrako's channel because the guy had all the Souls games soundtracks as well as other games'. Didn't know he was a GG piece of shit...
 

Mesoian

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Oct 28, 2017
26,369
I think there's disagreement about whether this actually breaks the TOS because, again, it's from a video game. I think that's the most important fact when looking at what happened, I don't think it should be discounted as some people are doing. I've only got the article to go off of since the video was removed, but it appears in-game he just kills people, and the titles are, while objectionable, just describing what he did. Not something like, "This is what you should do to feminists" which I do think would be promoting or condoning violence against real people, and would break TOS. But the question is, are video game characters protected groups? Personally, I don't think so, which is why I don't think the video strictly breaks the TOS. Maybe the guy made hateful comments in the video, or in the comments on the page, but I don't know that since it was removed.
It's not one video it's at least 5 videos.

Come on man, this is in the OP.
 

Blade Wolf

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
9,512
Taiwan
Just because you think banning his channel is too harsh doesn't mean you have to defend his video.

Feel free to express how it's too much or too unprofessional to ban him but please don't start jutifying his content.
 

JustinH

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Oct 27, 2017
10,379
I smile everytime he dies during story mission.

Game was like: MISSION FAILED

I was like: No, let's just roll with it okay
Sorry to derail just for a second, but this made me chuckle. I'm not that far in the game (after 30 hours only still chapter 2), but
dammit did I really just want to leave him in that jail cell, and holy crap I actually tried to shoot him while the mission was going on because I was like "Dammit! I did not want to get involved in all of this"

I wonder just how far the video poster is going to go with the "I'm the victim here" since he's been banned.
 

Spinky

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Oct 25, 2017
5,112
London
I hope Sterling makes a video about this and it's the exact opposite of what Shirrako wanted. If he did, it would be.