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Rychu

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They said that date wasnt suitable any longer. Phil also said that the feel of the game wasn't perfect so that's what was being worked on. He wants it to feel like Crackdown and so do most Crackdown fans I'd bet.
They did technically lie because Windows Central asked Microsoft about everything being changed to February instead of February 22 and Microsoft claimed they never said February 22. Jez Corden then showed them their tweet and they said that was a mistake and February 22 was never the date.

This is untrue considering Phil Spencer himself said February 22 was the date and they didn't anticipate so many games coming out that day.
 

Ushay

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I can't be the only one here hoping that Crackdown will look great and that the results of all the delays will be worth it. I want that franchise to shine. And maybe not with this one, but next one could have some real big changes. Maybe kinda like how SSM definitely changed up God of War. There's a lot that can be done with something like Crackdown.

Phil obviously had enough faith in the project to not cancel it, so let's go!
Crackdown is going to look and feel great to play, it's had so much time to polish. I'm genuinely excited for it now despite all the drama.
 

SnatcherHunter

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I love your optimist, hopefully you are right.

I used to be like you, quite optimistic overall on all things xbox, but this gen has made me "burned" out, so I have quite a hard time hyping myself out.

Show me Persona, Catherine and Yakuza and I will be set for months... until the shenmue 3 timed deal is over.

You just have to be realistic. It will be much harder for Xbox to acquire those type of games.
I see a better chance for Scarlet to get more proper Japanese support. Seeing as it is a clean slate for a new generation and I fully expect Xbox to be much closer to Sony with a successful launch.
 

vorimenn

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After the comments made by Obsidian a while ago about how Microsoft were looking to acquire studios and how their acquisition wasn't announced at E3, today's news that Pillars 2 only sold about 100000 copies seems to be the reason why this time they said yes.

I'm happy about the acquisition, assuming it'll get a confirmation soon, but it's a shame it had to happen this way.
Where did you read this?
 

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I love your optimist, hopefully you are right.

I used to be like you, quite optimistic overall on all things xbox, but this gen has made me "burned" out, so I have quite a hard time hyping myself out.

Show me Persona, Catherine and Yakuza and I will be set for months... until the shenmue 3 timed deal is over.

I actually was very cynical for a long time and Scalebound made me get a PC and PS4. I haven't used my XB1 in nearly 2 years.

A part of me is having fun here, but I'm genuinely optimistic based on what I've seen and heard.

But if it's been done and they didn't launch this year, they must have a real lack of confidence in it, even launching it into Game Pass. They thought it would get buried in the back half of this year and moved it to next year. Then they thought it would get buried on February 22, so they basically lied and said they never gave it a date.

That's one way to look at it, but Phil said he decided to give it more time because, while it looked good, it didn't feel like a proper Crackdown game, so they put it back in the oven a bit longer.

To me, that speaks to how much they value the IP and how confident they are it can be done.

So Joseph Staten on the stage floor? That's cool, I miss hearing him talk, he's very charming. I'm hoping for a Grunt impression.

I wish he had joined 343i and sorted their shit out. I'd feel much better about Halo if he was still in charge.
 

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You just have to be realistic. It will be much harder for Xbox to acquire those type of games.
I see a better chance for Scarlet to get more proper Japanese support. Seeing as it is a clean slate for a new generation and I fully expect Xbox to be much closer to Sony with a successful launch.

Considering these are exactly the games Spencer talked about that we didn't get yet... it's not that impossible.

But if you read my post you will see that I'm not expecting them Saturday.
 

Finaj

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I think it's because of the 20th anniversary of Banjo Kazooie and some people expect -something-.
 

Tetrinski

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Where did you read this?
Which part? The sales: https://www.resetera.com/threads/obsidians-pillars-of-eternity-2-sold-like-shit-110-000-sales.79558/

The other part is from an interview early this year or late last year where Obsidian head said Micro were looking for studios. The implication was that they'd been approached and rejected the offer, probably expecting their projects to do better. Now, after their game bombs, we have strong rumors they are being acquired. I think it's clear what happened.
 

Neural

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So, a friend of mine noticed this nosing around in Robeyone's (Senior Producer on Age of Empires) followed games on Live, and I just confirmed it (I took the screenshot):

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Is this the new name for the game or just a placeholder? New Providence is the city where the game's Campaign takes place, but it seems odd to put it into the title, when everyone already knows it as Crackdown 3.

Edit: he found this too, but once he closed it and tried to reopen it, it was showing PC instead of Xbox One. I couldn't replicate it.

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Karateka

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Sitting on Banjo is the dumbest thing MS have done. They have a beloved character that is kid friendly and in a genre they have no good games in (platformer) and they refuse to fund a sequel.

If netflix owned Banjo there would be a 6 season netflix exclusive tvshow by now, it would probably be below average but at least it would exist.

Find it hard to believe there is no talent to make a banjo game.

Also Banjo's gameplay has not aged poorly. If you tighten up the responsiveness of the controls and other issues it plays just as smooth as any modern mario game.

Which part? The sales: https://www.resetera.com/threads/obsidians-pillars-of-eternity-2-sold-like-shit-110-000-sales.79558/

The other part is from an interview early this year or late last year where Obsidian head said Micro were looking for studios. The implication was that they'd been approached and rejected the offer, probably expecting their projects to do better. Now, after their game bombs, we have strong rumors they are being acquired. I think it's clear what happened.
Was there not an interview months ago where Obsidian said they were open to being acquired?
 

ConHaki66

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So, a friend of mine noticed this nosing around in Robeyone's (Senior Producer on Age of Empires) followed games on Live, and I just confirmed it (I took the screenshot):

URt3C4V.jpg


Is this the new name for the game or just a placeholder? New Providence is the city where the game's Campaign takes place, but it seems odd to put it into the title, when everyone already knows it as Crackdown 3.

Edit: he found this too, but once he closed it and tried to reopen it, it was showing PC instead of Xbox One. I couldn't replicate it.

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thats a good name, make a topic on it
 

pswii60

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Sitting on Banjo is the dumbest thing MS have done. They have a beloved character that is kid friendly and in a genre they have no good games in (platformer) and they refuse to fund a sequel.

If netflix owned Banjo there would be a 6 season netflix exclusive tvshow by now, it would probably be below average but at least it would exist.

Find it hard to believe there is no talent to make a banjo game.

Also Banjo's gameplay has not aged poorly. If you tighten up the responsiveness of the controls and other issues it plays just as smooth as any modern mario game.
Xbox division has been in a funny spot for some years though. They wouldn't have had the budget to do Banjo justice with a AAA game, because they know it wouldn't be a massive seller (albeit platformers seem to be more popular again now) compared to their bankable franchises. And making a B-tier Banjo game would result in far more backlash than not making one at all. When you have a shoestring budget, you have to take these choices.

But now, between the success of Crash and Xbox's significantly increased first party budget, there at least now stands a chance of it happening again - but still, the right team has to develop it. And the right team might not be available right now.
 

Tetrinski

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Sitting on Banjo is the dumbest thing MS have done. They have a beloved character that is kid friendly and in a genre they have no good games in (platformer) and they refuse to fund a sequel.

If netflix owned Banjo there would be a 6 season netflix exclusive tvshow by now, it would probably be below average but at least it would exist.

Find it hard to believe there is no talent to make a banjo game.

Also Banjo's gameplay has not aged poorly. If you tighten up the responsiveness of the controls and other issues it plays just as smooth as any modern mario game.


Was there not an interview months ago where Obsidian said they were open to being acquired?
Maybe. The one I'm referring to came out shortly after the Stormlands story was revealed. The consensus at the time was that they would not work again with Microsoft. Then I guess life happened.
 

Chris.

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Which part? The sales: https://www.resetera.com/threads/obsidians-pillars-of-eternity-2-sold-like-shit-110-000-sales.79558/

The other part is from an interview early this year or late last year where Obsidian head said Micro were looking for studios. The implication was that they'd been approached and rejected the offer, probably expecting their projects to do better. Now, after their game bombs, we have strong rumors they are being acquired. I think it's clear what happened.
Yup makes a lot of sense.

When your game sells that poorly something has to give. I guess MS doesn't mind taking on games that don't sell too hot, as they will just stick it on Game Pass anyways.
 

Dr. Caroll

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Sitting on Banjo is the dumbest thing MS have done. They have a beloved character that is kid friendly and in a genre they have no good games in (platformer) and they refuse to fund a sequel.
MS are not refusing to do anything. Rare don't want to make another Banjo game, and Rare have control over their properties. MS can't/won't make a new Banjo title without Rare's approval.
 

Tetrinski

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MS are not refusing to do anything. Rare don't want to make another Banjo game, and Rare have control over their properties. MS can't/won't make a new Banjo title without Rare's approval.
That doesn't mean that RARE won't allow another studio to work on Banjo, they did with Battletoads and, quite frankly, if they don't want to do it themselves I don't see why they'd mind.
 

Dimple

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So, a friend of mine noticed this nosing around in Robeyone's (Senior Producer on Age of Empires) followed games on Live, and I just confirmed it (I took the screenshot):

URt3C4V.jpg


Is this the new name for the game or just a placeholder? New Providence is the city where the game's Campaign takes place, but it seems odd to put it into the title, when everyone already knows it as Crackdown 3.

Edit: he found this too, but once he closed it and tried to reopen it, it was showing PC instead of Xbox One. I couldn't replicate it.

pFcBRE8.jpg

Could you describe what your friend found? the images aren't coming up for me for some reason.
 

pswii60

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Which part? The sales: https://www.resetera.com/threads/obsidians-pillars-of-eternity-2-sold-like-shit-110-000-sales.79558/

The other part is from an interview early this year or late last year where Obsidian head said Micro were looking for studios. The implication was that they'd been approached and rejected the offer, probably expecting their projects to do better. Now, after their game bombs, we have strong rumors they are being acquired. I think it's clear what happened.
You're getting confused. The interview is here: https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/...ow-rpgs-greatest-survivors-kept-the-lights-on

The part where they discuss Microsoft is with regards to them looking to sign new publishing projects/contracts, not with regards to being acquired. The acquisition talk is separate and doesn't mention Microsoft.
 

Dr. Caroll

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That doesn't mean that RARE won't allow another studio to work on Banjo, they did with Battletoads and, quite frankly, if they don't want to do it themselves I don't see why they'd mind.
It'll only happen if Gregg likes the pitch. There's a reason that Nuts & Bolts won out over the other Banjo 3 prototypes.
 

NimbusCub

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It's worth noting that KB+M support is only in preview right now. It's possible that they turn things around quickly and have it ready for release this month, but I'm more inclined to believe it'll release in spring.

Totally fair. Even in preview, I wonder if they'll launch a few games that can support controller and KB&M to gather more feedback. Game Pass seems a great place to launch titles that experiment with different features due to the large instant install base.

I actually was very cynical for a long time and Scalebound made me get a PC and PS4. I haven't used my XB1 in nearly 2 years.

A part of me is having fun here, but I'm genuinely optimistic based on what I've seen and heard.

Kindred spirits I see. I don't own a Xbox right now, but it's easily my favorite of the big 3. It's been difficult to have to pick 2 of the 3, and I want Microsoft to be successful on the exclusives side to give me another reason to make them my primary platform again.

This is also my favorite place on Era because of the genuine conversation and relative absence of toxicity and negativity.
 
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Neural

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Could you describe what your friend found? the images aren't coming up for me for some reason.
He found Crackdown 3 listed as "Crackdown 3: New Providence". And then he found AoE: Definitive Edition listed for Xbox One, but it looks like this lasted very little and it quickly went back to showing PC as the game platform.
 

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Microsoft sitting on Banjo for as long as it has is probably the single most cynical thing they have done to Rare or perhaps in the gaming space in general.
 

Chris.

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That crackdown name doesn't make much sense imo.. Probably why it's gonna happen LOL. I figure if they were gonna add a subtitle, they would remove the number aswell.
 

Tetrinski

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You're getting confused. The interview is here: https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/...ow-rpgs-greatest-survivors-kept-the-lights-on

The part where they discuss Microsoft is with regards to them looking to sign new publishing projects/contracts, not with regards to being acquired. The acquisition talk is separate and doesn't mention Microsoft.
Oh I see. It's still interesting though, because that's around the time they signed the deal for their next project, which means they chose a different publisher over Microsoft (or Microsoft didn't like their ideas). It still does seem like the bad sales of their last game was what made them decide to sell the company.

What would be our reaction if on Saturday they announce three new studios and Obsidians is NOT one of them lol
 
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It's great that Phil will be there, but he was also present during one of the daily E3 shows last year and I believe this year he was too? Don't think he really had any big news there though. But that was right after their E3 show, this is different for sure.
 

SPDIF

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So, a friend of mine noticed this nosing around in Robeyone's (Senior Producer on Age of Empires) followed games on Live, and I just confirmed it (I took the screenshot):

URt3C4V.jpg


Is this the new name for the game or just a placeholder? New Providence is the city where the game's Campaign takes place, but it seems odd to put it into the title, when everyone already knows it as Crackdown 3.

Weren't they once upon a time supposed to be splitting CD3 up into two distinct modes? The way they talked about it in the past made it seem like the multiplayer destruction mode (Wrecking Zone or whatever it's called) would be a completely separate package to download/install. So it's possible the single player package is called 'Crackdown 3: New Providence' and the multiplayer destruction mode will be called 'Crackdown 3: Wrecking Zone'.

Or maybe that was the original plan, and the naming scheme for pre-release builds of the game is just a relic of the old plan. We'll have to wait and see, but when the game finally releases next year everything might be included under a single 'Crackdown 3' package.
 

Rychu

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Why is that? I feel like they could just be there to annouce a new studio and maybe a good game that'll come out a long time from now.

Idk. Not trying to be pessimistic. I just feel like I should keep expectations low.
A studio acquisition and one first party game reveal is about my expectations. I think that would be great.
 
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