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Hoot

Member
Nov 12, 2017
2,105
What an odd story. Although quite honestly, nothing to be riled up about (no abuse or anything). Cheating sucks but if anything, often it's part of life. Unhappy/changnig love is not what I would call "problematic"
 
Oct 25, 2017
9,205
It's not a social construct at all. Monogamy is a successful reproductive strategy to pair bond and raise children. But I fear this might be very very off topic.... :P

It is a successful strategy. but it goes completely against human male reproductive urges. I only brought this up because the person I replied to called it problematic. Cheating is a scummy thing to do, but I consider it a personal issue separate from your career unless it has some implied moral standards you should uphold.

What an odd story. Although quite honestly, nothing to be riled up about (no abuse or anything). Cheating sucks but if anything, often it's part of life. Unhappy/changnig love is not what I would call "problematic"

Exactly.
 

Choppasmith

One Winged Slayer
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Oct 25, 2017
6,410
Beaumont, CA
This series is riddled with problematic staff.

Final Fantasy won.

It really sucks, I grew up playing FF starting with I, but as the series went on it got further and further away from what I loved about the series in the first place. I gravitated to DQ because of this (and FF was originally a DQ ripoff anyway). But damn, it sucks things have to be so problematic between niche obscurity in the West and problematic staffers. DQ just can't get a break (outside it's popularity and success in Japan).

While it's hardly enough for me to drop the series or anything, I really thought Horii was the decent guy. Such a shame :/
 

Hecht

Too damn tired
Administrator
Oct 24, 2017
9,730
Updated the title so it doesn't seem like Horii was marrying hundreds of people
 

Deleted member 2102

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Oct 25, 2017
692
i know people are just clowning around but also, gonna go out on a limb and say "cheated on wife in non-continuous affair twenty years ago; later divorced her and married another person" shouldn't be considered to be on the same level as "denies japan's war crimes and actively promotes extreme right wing bigotry"
 

BocoDragon

Banned
Oct 26, 2017
5,207
It is a successful strategy. but it goes completely against human male reproductive urges. I only brought this up because the person I replied to called it problematic. Cheating is a scummy thing to do, but I consider it a personal issue separate from your career unless it has some implied moral standards you should uphold.
Hmm.. I might actually agree with that.
 

Parfait

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
580
TBH though I'd marry hundreds of people if they were ok with it. Think of the benefits! The healthcare. Being a small community!

Seems like it was a cleaner break than I thought it would be, at least.
 

Deleted member 5535

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Oct 25, 2017
13,656
It really sucks, I grew up playing FF starting with I, but as the series went on it got further and further away from what I loved about the series in the first place. I gravitated to DQ because of this (and FF was originally a DQ ripoff anyway). But damn, it sucks things have to be so problematic between niche obscurity in the West and problematic staffers. DQ just can't get a break (outside it's popularity and success in Japan).

While it's hardly enough for me to drop the series or anything, I really thought Horii was the decent guy. Such a shame :/

How the personal life of a person have to do with a game? He cheated, that's wrong but not even on the level to feel in such way. For Sugiyama is understandable but Horii? If we go by cheating, I think you guys won't be a fan of many people of this and other industries because that's not uncommon at all. Or hell, your parents, friends and many people.

What an odd story. Although quite honestly, nothing to be riled up about (no abuse or anything). Cheating sucks but if anything, often it's part of life. Unhappy/changnig love is not what I would call "problematic"

Exactly.

Yeah the least problematic big guy involved is toriyama

And even he used blackface in his non dragon quest work

Toriyama is a tax-invader. Horii is the actual one without a problematic background because y'know, this is his personal life.
 

Cordy

Member
Oct 25, 2017
15,312
Cracking up. Never have I heard of anyone flexing through a divorce. Fuck.
 

pokéfan

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Oct 25, 2017
2,304
I don't know how much the rest of you know about Japanese culture (I'm an expert), but honor and shame are huge parts of it. It's not like it is in America where you can become successful by being an asshole. If you screw someone over in Japan, you bring shame to yourself, and the only way to get rid of that shame is repentance.

What this means is the japanese public, after hearing about this, is not going to want to purchase DQXI for either system, nor will they purchase any DQ games. This is HUGE. You can laugh all you want, but Hori has alienated an entire market with this move.

Horii, publicly apologize and re-marry your ex-wife or you can kiss your business goodbye.
I am not disappointed entering this thread, I knew someone would bring up the Japanese culture.
 

Jessie

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Oct 27, 2017
9,921
So he was in love with a beta tester? No wonder Dragon Quest VII was so padded.
 

Council Pop

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Oct 27, 2017
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If cheating on a spouse and then getting divorced is now "problematic" then I better cut ties with literally the entirety of my extended family.
 

NathanS

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Dec 5, 2017
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I guess maybe how bad he is with writing women? There is that time he did a one-off "comedic" rape story for Shonen Jump. But he is far from alone in that one, a bunch of people involved with publishing the magazine had to go "Yeah women getting rape IS funny and seems like a thing we should show to young boys"
 
Oct 27, 2017
9,792
Peru
If cheating on a spouse and then getting divorced is now "problematic" then I better cut ties with literally the entirety of my extended family.

Hasn't cheating always been "problematic"? Like, okay, I might not agree 100% with a few things that are considered "problematic" around here but still cheating is not something that you're supposed to do.
 
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Sage

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Oct 27, 2017
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Japan
Anyone know what these specific laws are?
Basically when you marry someone in Japan you enter a legal contract to remain faithful to them. If you break that contract, you can be sued by your former partner. Interestingly they can also sue the other person in the affair 'as long as a reasonable person in his or her circumstances would have known' you were married.

"Furthermore, these damages can be claimed completely independently from whether the couple files for divorce or not. Therefore, it is possible for a wife to sue the mistress of her husband while still continuing to stay married." As in this case.

Source: https://oharalaw-japan.com/2016/10/03/possible-sue-someone-adultery-japan/
 

Deleted member 8593

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Oct 26, 2017
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Basically when you marry someone in Japan you enter a legal contract to remain faithful to them. If you break that contract, you can be sued by your former partner. Interestingly they can also sue the other person in the affair 'as long as a reasonable person in his or her circumstances would have known' you were married.

"Furthermore, these damages can be claimed completely independently from whether the couple files for divorce or not. Therefore, it is possible for a wife to sue the mistress of her husband while still continuing to stay married." As in this case.

Source: https://oharalaw-japan.com/2016/10/03/possible-sue-someone-adultery-japan/

This law sounds ripe for abuse.
 

entremet

You wouldn't toast a NES cartridge
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Oct 26, 2017
59,940
Damn! Horii is making dat cash lol. I think the key here is that owns or co-owns the property right? He's not a company man like most big Japanese developers such as Miyamoto.
 

ArchedThunder

Uncle Beerus
Member
Oct 25, 2017
18,994
According to Toriyama he doesn't bother with that stuff at all and it's his assistant that does it.
If it was anyone else that used that excuse I wouldn't believe it, but Toriyama is notoriously lazy so it's hilariously believable.
He claims he didn't even know about it and that's the most hilariously Toriyama thing ever.
 

Prof Bathtub

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Apr 26, 2018
2,677
According to Toriyama he doesn't bother with that stuff at all and it's his assistant that does it.
If it was anyone else that used that excuse I wouldn't believe it, but Toriyama is notoriously lazy so it's hilariously believable.
Alas, the interviewer saw through his clever Mamoru Oshii disguise.
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UsoEwin

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Jul 14, 2018
2,063
Hasn't cheating always been "problematic"? Like, okay, I might not agree 100% with a few things that are considered "problematic" around here but still cheating is not something that you're supposed to do.
It happens, a lot. People change, people fall out of love. In a perfect world the relationship would end before getting to the point of cheating, but that is not how human emotions work. Cheating is bad, it hurts people all around. But calling it "problematic" and taking some moral high stance is ridiculous. It's just a facet of life.