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ctj

Prophet of Truth
The Fallen
Oct 27, 2017
2,318
Bay Area, California
1.So wait what ever happened to I might not agree with what you say but I'll fight for your right to say it?

2. Me disliking feminists has more to do with the methods in which they do things rather than rights being excluded. Am I all for women's rights? Yes. Do I believe there are double standards? Yes.

3. Are there any YouTube videos With GTA 5 hooker killing. I'm sure some exists. Which basically makes this a sensationalist article at best. A huge **** stirring exercise at its worst.
A feminist is simply someone who supports women's rights and for them to be treated equally to men. If you don't like feminists then you're sexist and a mysogynist. Full stop.
 

IBLiSTRiGGER

Member
Jun 7, 2018
428
Los Angeles, CA
crazy how this guy who posted, like, long plays and fromsoft soundtracks pulls out this deep web deviantart style 'feminist eaten alive by alligators' content.

don't know what's more unsettling — that some schmoe from nowhereville has that much virulent hate in his heart*, that youtube's algorithm thought that was what people wanted to see, or that, yes, people really were slavering to see that one random feminist npc get run over by a train for... being a feminist.

(*ha that's a joke, i know how much some random dude can hate me just for being alive. ha. funny.)
 

ArchedThunder

Uncle Beerus
Member
Oct 25, 2017
19,000
I dont like feminists either. Am I a misogynist?
Should I be banned. If we are going to have a game industry where free speech and free expression is celebrated then we are going to need to lighten up. Just because I disagree doesn't mean I hate. And WE HAVE KILLED hookers in GTA for 20+ years can hookers get love!
Holy shit, lmao.
 

Crossing Eden

Member
Oct 26, 2017
53,300
I dont like feminists either. Am I a misogynist?
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If we are going to have a game industry where free speech and free expression is celebrated then we are going to need to lighten up.
Boy bye.
 

Trup1aya

Literally a train safety expert
Member
Oct 25, 2017
21,323
You keep saying have the conversation but all I hear from you is don't talk about things.

You've shown no interest in actually having any conversation outside being mad at Motherboard.

probably because most are more interested in combating my opinion on the article than they are engaging what I view as better alternatives. It's not that I haven't shown interest Talking about other approaches to combating this type of ideology, But my mentions were flooded with Passive aggressive insults, demonstrably false accusations, mischaracterization of my comments and intentioms, and whataboutism. Unfortunately these things have thus far commanded most of my attention here.

I dont like feminists either. Am I a misogynist?
Should I be banned. If we are going to have a game industry where free speech and free expression is celebrated then we are going to need to lighten up. Just because I disagree doesn't mean I hate. And WE HAVE KILLED hookers in GTA for 20+ years can hookers get love!

Most likely, yes. Having prejudice for a group of people simply because they want to exist in a world free of the marginalization of women is pretty mysogynistic..

Should you be banned simply for having that view? Probably, but that's debatable. But if your expression of that view progressed into targeted displays of Violence against people with feminist views, that would be an obvious red flag that SHOULD result in removal from any dignified forum.
 
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Jessmo24

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Oct 30, 2017
753
When you say "I don't like feminists" you just seem confused as to the meaning of the word. That or you have spent too long on certain parts of the internet.

I see, so to not like or care for somthing = hate speech?

If I say I dont like broccoli does it mean I hate it and should have a political opinion?
I prefer to date old fashioned conservative type of women rather than feminists types.
If the gaming community has a problem with me like or disliking somthing, then maybe the issue is the community and not me.
Maybe I should take my ball and leave, If I'm not going to toe the line!
Show me how disagreement= hate.
 

Van Bur3n

Avenger
Oct 27, 2017
26,089
Lol did Boogie make an account here or something.

So to be clear, the issue wasnt that he killed a feminist character in the game, but it was because he glorified it and shit on the feminist movement with his video titles and shit he said in the video?

If that is the case he deserves every shitty thing coming his way.

Yes.

Very easily comprehensible.

But damn some of y'all are too fucking stupid to understand this.
 

Tensuke

Member
Oct 27, 2017
117
You fail to grasp the importance of context so I hope that failure does not creep into other areas of your life where you might otherwise need critical thinking.
What context am I missing?

why would you want to specifically kill women and black people in a fictional setting

edit: to elaborate on this, i'm kind of weirded out by people who play these games and go around murdering NPCs, but i can see that maybe it's cathartic or a way to let out steam for some people. i'm not super comfortable with it, but okay. but when you go out of your way to find a specific type of people to kill? then yeah, you've got issues.
You've never played a game, gotten bored, and decided to make up 'challenges'? Like following traffic laws in gta, or killing only certain types of enemies, or only using one kind of weapon, modding Bethesda games to kill children, etc. Maybe it's weird, sure, but it doesn't mean you have mental issues.
 
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vestan

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Dec 28, 2017
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modding Bethesda games to kill children
Man what the fuck? You're fucking mental if you mod Bethesda games or any game for that matter to kill children as far as I'm concerned mate. How does this shit even register in your mind? Especially compared to your other examples.
 

ctj

Prophet of Truth
The Fallen
Oct 27, 2017
2,318
Bay Area, California
I see, so to not like or care for somthing = hate speech?

If I say I dont like broccoli does it mean I hate it and should have a political opinion?
I prefer to date old fashioned conservative type of women rather than feminists types.
If the gaming community has a problem with me like or disliking somthing, then maybe the issue is the community and not me.
Maybe I should take my ball and leave, If I'm not going to toe the line!
Show me how disagreement= hate.
Lmao are you fucking serious with that broccoli analogy? Disagreeing with women's rights is hateful, yes.
 

excelsiorlef

Bad Praxis
Member
Oct 25, 2017
73,316
You've never played a game, gotten bored, and decided to make up 'challenges'? Like following traffic laws in gta, or killing only certain types of enemies, or only using one kind of weapon, modding Bethesda games to kill children, etc. Maybe it's weird, sure, but it doesn't mean you have mental issues.

I can say I've never gotten bored and decided to hunt and kill only black people no, I can;t say I got bored and decided to only kill prostitutes either.
 

Lump

One Winged Slayer
Member
Oct 25, 2017
15,965
I dont like feminists either. Am I a misogynist?
Should I be banned. If we are going to have a game industry where free speech and free expression is celebrated then we are going to need to lighten up.

If you don't like advocacy for women having social, political, legal, and economic rights for women equal to those of men, then yes, you're a misogynist.

Second, you being banned isn't the same as you being arrested. Freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences. Misogyny and being a terrible person isn't illegal, but other private entities certainly get to exercise their rights in purging and deplatforming people for being terrible human beings who openly express backwards, inferior, and harmful outlooks on society.
 

Kinanza

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Jun 25, 2018
577
.....Well guys, I don't know who this Jim Sterling is....but thanks to what i read I don't want to know who he is anymore
 

Perzeval

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Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
10,534
Sweden
To clear things up for some people; the npc in question is campaigning for the right for women to vote.
 
Oct 25, 2017
9,006
Canada
I see, so to not like or care for somthing = hate speech?

If I say I dont like broccoli does it mean I hate it and should have a political opinion?
I prefer to date old fashioned conservative type of women rather than feminists types.
If the gaming community has a problem with me like or disliking somthing, then maybe the issue is the community and not me.
Maybe I should take my ball and leave, If I'm not going to toe the line!
Show me how disagreement= hate.

Feminists aren't like broccoli

.....Well guys, I don't know who this Jim Sterling is....but thanks to what i read I don't want to know who he is anymore

I don't think he actually made any comment here. I also think the dude was misguided for thinking that Jim would have supported him anyways.
 

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I see, so to not like or care for somthing = hate speech?

If I say I dont like broccoli does it mean I hate it and should have a political opinion?
I prefer to date old fashioned conservative type of women rather than feminists types.
If the gaming community has a problem with me like or disliking somthing, then maybe the issue is the community and not me.
Maybe I should take my ball and leave, If I'm not going to toe the line!
Show me how disagreement= hate.
You not liking your veges isnt the same as you not being on board with equal rights

.....Well guys, I don't know who this Jim Sterling is....but thanks to what i read I don't want to know who he is anymore
I dont think he responded did he?
 

ArchedThunder

Uncle Beerus
Member
Oct 25, 2017
19,000
I see, so to not like or care for somthing = hate speech?

If I say I dont like broccoli does it mean I hate it and should have a political opinion?
I prefer to date old fashioned conservative type of women rather than feminists types.
If the gaming community has a problem with me like or disliking somthing, then maybe the issue is the community and not me.
Maybe I should take my ball and leave, If I'm not going to toe the line!
Show me how disagreement= hate.
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Inuhanyou

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
14,214
New Jersey
Honestly fuck the gaming outlets that reported this. It's sensationalist, doesn't fucking matter in a game where you can slap the shit out of everyone and now people who otherwise wouldn't of given two shits are now doing it to 'trigger' people.

Blame the messenger, right?

The internet right wing has made strawmen out of so many social issues its insane. And now your intentionally just gonna pretend to not understand what people are talking about?
 

Haze

Member
Oct 25, 2017
11,775
Detroit, MI
I see, so to not like or care for somthing = hate speech?

If I say I dont like broccoli does it mean I hate it and should have a political opinion?
I prefer to date old fashioned conservative type of women rather than feminists types.
If the gaming community has a problem with me like or disliking somthing, then maybe the issue is the community and not me.
Maybe I should take my ball and leave, If I'm not going to toe the line!
Show me how disagreement= hate.

What could you possibly not like about feminists? I don't understand how you couldn't like people advocating for equal societal and legal rights?

This video straight up glorifies and takes joy in doing horrible things to a character specifically because they are feminist. There is so much vitriol in the video and the comments. This is just an example of the type of shit this community breeds. That's the point of the article.
 

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I see, so to not like or care for somthing = hate speech?

If I say I dont like broccoli does it mean I hate it and should have a political opinion?
I prefer to date old fashioned conservative type of women rather than feminists types.
If the gaming community has a problem with me like or disliking somthing, then maybe the issue is the community and not me.
Maybe I should take my ball and leave, If I'm not going to toe the line!
Show me how disagreement= hate.

Broccoli
Is not
People

And yes, not liking feminists is having a political opinion.
 

Crossing Eden

Member
Oct 26, 2017
53,300
I see, so to not like or care for somthing = hate speech?
You're literally saying you do not like or care for equal rights for women you absolutely jobber.

If I say I dont like broccoli does it mean I hate it and should have a political opinion?
You're literally equating feminism with eating broccoli.

I prefer to date old fashioned conservative type of women rather than feminists types.
No one gives a shit about your dating preferences.

If the gaming community has a problem with me like or disliking somthing, then maybe the issue is the community and not me.
You're a literal meme:
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Maybe I should take my ball and leave
Yes, pls leave. And since you care so much about free speech.
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Inuhanyou

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
14,214
New Jersey
So to be clear, the issue wasnt that he killed a feminist character in the game, but it was because he glorified it and shit on the feminist movement with his video titles and shit he said in the video?

If that is the case he deserves every shitty thing coming his way.

Yes. If he just did that once on a video nobody would give a shit, but he made a point of clickbaity title in multiple videos of the NPC in question being killed in the worst ways.
 

Chaos2Frozen

Member
Nov 3, 2017
28,025
What context am I missing?


You've never played a game, gotten bored, and decided to make up 'challenges'? Like following traffic laws in gta, or killing only certain types of enemies, or only using one kind of weapon, modding Bethesda games to kill children, etc. Maybe it's weird, sure, but it doesn't mean you have mental issues.

...No, I can't say I've ever taken up the "racism" challenge. I've killed civilians in games before but I've never thought to actively hunt for people of specific ethnicity or gender and I'll be suspicious of anyone who says they have more fun doing that.
 

IBLiSTRiGGER

Member
Jun 7, 2018
428
Los Angeles, CA
I see, so to not like or care for somthing = hate speech?

If I say I dont like broccoli does it mean I hate it and should have a political opinion?
I prefer to date old fashioned conservative type of women rather than feminists types.
If the gaming community has a problem with me like or disliking somthing, then maybe the issue is the community and not me.
Maybe I should take my ball and leave, If I'm not going to toe the line!
Show me how disagreement= hate.

wow, i see now, it's all becoming clear. the real, true, pure value of an equality movement for basic civil rights: are they waifu material.

this must be the dark enlightenment
 

spman2099

Member
Oct 25, 2017
10,891
These videos are pretty disgusting. I am happy the game allows you to behave in whatever way you choose, but to create videos where you specifically hunt women, beat them, torture them, and murder them, because they are feminists, is beyond disturbing. This guy shouldn't have gotten his channel back. Youtube should have erased that shit.
 

Inuhanyou

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
14,214
New Jersey
"why cant we just have like, free speech and stuff, respect my rights to say what i want"

"SJWs talking about womens rights and colored people's rights are just the worst, let me shut them down and get my mob on them cause i dont like what they are saying"
 

Haze

Member
Oct 25, 2017
11,775
Detroit, MI
I recently found that there are like five branches of feminism and they kinda hate each other... that made me sad and think that we have no solution as a specie.

That's true, there are things like womanism and other intersectional brands of feminism that may or may not advocate for each other. For example, womanism seeks to right issues that black women specifically face, on top of general issues women face. But the occasional infighting and disagreements shouldn't discredit the entire movement under the umbrella.
 

Crossing Eden

Member
Oct 26, 2017
53,300
You've never played a game, gotten bored, and decided to make up 'challenges'? Like following traffic laws in gta, or killing only certain types of enemies, or only using one kind of weapon, modding Bethesda games to kill children, etc. Maybe it's weird, sure, but it doesn't mean you have mental issues.
Somehow you've gone from "It's just a dude projecting his desire to harm feminists" to "I mod bethesda games to murder children."
 

MOTHGOD

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Dec 8, 2017
1,016
Buttfuck Nowhere
You know, I knew people were stupid, but there are a hell of a lot of people on the gaming side that are super stupid enough to show their ass but somehow manage to stay away from the off topic side.
 

rashbeep

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Oct 27, 2017
9,457
So to be clear, the issue wasnt that he killed a feminist character in the game, but it was because he glorified it and shit on the feminist movement with his video titles and shit he said in the video?

If that is the case he deserves every shitty thing coming his way.

yes, and i'm sure if the video were titled "killing every white man" or whatever he would've been banned as well (rightfully), but you wouldn't hear idiots complaining about it
 

Icemonk191

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
3,814
You know, I knew people were stupid, but there are a hell of a lot of people on the gaming side that are super stupid enough to show their ass but somehow manage to stay away from the off topic side.

They know that if they head over to off topic they would get their ass handed to them so they stay on gaming side where it's "safe".
 

MegaSackman

Member
Oct 27, 2017
17,696
Argentina
That's true, there are things like womanism and other intersectional brands of feminism that may or may not advocate for each other. For example, womanism seeks to right issues that black women specifically face, on top of general issues women face. But the occasional infighting and disagreements shouldn't discredit the entire movement under the umbrella.

Without a doubt and often they unite for many things, It's happening a lot in my country recently because abortion is ilegal here and it's on debate.
I jusy read some discussions on twitter were women from different branches were almost insulting each other because of their opinions and it made me feel tired... like I didn't expect that.

Again, that doesn't invalidate the thousands of women fighting everyday.

Also, twitter is bad... or well, people that can't behave I guess, I'm guilty too.
 

ctj

Prophet of Truth
The Fallen
Oct 27, 2017
2,318
Bay Area, California
What context am I missing?


You've never played a game, gotten bored, and decided to make up 'challenges'? Like following traffic laws in gta, or killing only certain types of enemies, or only using one kind of weapon, modding Bethesda games to kill children, etc. Maybe it's weird, sure, but it doesn't mean you have mental issues.
Someone doesn't say "hey I'm going to play GTA and only kill black people" just because they're bored. This isn't a hard concept to grasp.
 

Gentlemen

Member
Oct 25, 2017
9,505
I see, so to not like or care for somthing = hate speech?

If I say I dont like broccoli does it mean I hate it and should have a political opinion?
I prefer to date old fashioned conservative type of women rather than feminists types.
If the gaming community has a problem with me like or disliking somthing, then maybe the issue is the community and not me.
Maybe I should take my ball and leave, If I'm not going to toe the line!
Show me how disagreement= hate.
Just so you get it, 'feminists' in the context of both RDR2 and the videos made by the pissant youtuber in question, refers to 'woman demonstrating for her right to vote.'

So strolling in here with "I don't like feminists" without a shred of nuance or reframing of context is maybe not your strongest rhetorical opener, champ.
 

Inuhanyou

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
14,214
New Jersey
Without a doubt and often they unite for many things, It's happening a lot in my country recently because abortion is ilegal here and it's on debate.
I jusy read some discussions on twitter were women from different branches were almost insulting each other because of their opinions and it made me feel tired... like I didn't expect that.

Again, that doesn't invalidate the thousands of women fighting everyday.

Also, twitter is bad... or well, people that can't behave I guess, I'm guilty too.

Leftists of many stripes dont always agree with each other, i've seen it first hand. But its just a fact of life regarding how important it is to focus on issues where you do agree when it comes to the oppressed and downtrodden, IMO. Cause the right will always rally around each other when it comes to the position of hate
 

Banned

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Nov 10, 2017
161
So to be clear, the issue wasnt that he killed a feminist character in the game, but it was because he glorified it and shit on the feminist movement with his video titles and shit he said in the video?

If that is the case he deserves every shitty thing coming his way.
Now that I understand the full context of the topic then yes I think he's an idiot and deserves all the criticism he's getting
 

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So to be clear, the issue wasnt that he killed a feminist character in the game, but it was because he glorified it and shit on the feminist movement with his video titles and shit he said in the video?

If that is the case he deserves every shitty thing coming his way.
Yes, he is specifically targeting the npc because of what they stand in for and glorified it. Its not the fact that he killed a npc, but that it was a focused target across multiple videos and just lingers on it the whole time because they are specifically pandering to the alt right crowd. They could have made this video with literally any random npc, they chose the feminist and advertised it as such because of what they represent

he deserves a ban
 

psychowave

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Oct 25, 2017
1,655
You've never played a game, gotten bored, and decided to make up 'challenges'? Like following traffic laws in gta, or killing only certain types of enemies, or only using one kind of weapon, modding Bethesda games to kill children, etc. Maybe it's weird, sure, but it doesn't mean you have mental issues.
small brain: i'm gonna challenge myself by playing through all of dark souls as a level 1 character
galaxy brain: i'm gonna challenge myself by playing through GTA killing only women and minorities
 

texhnolyze

Member
Oct 25, 2017
23,154
Indonesia
That moment when you realized that Era is such a tiny minority of the gaming community after you read the comment section in the Youtube video.