Agreed
I think S-E should overcome their loss aversion and just get rid of Luminous engine and concentrate on engines such as UE (see KH3). The whole Luminous thing look like a mess.
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Tabata resigns from Square-Enix. FFXV DLCs canceled (Episode Ardyn still coming) (READ OP)
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I think S-E should overcome their loss aversion and just get rid of Luminous engine and concentrate on engines such as UE (see KH3). The whole Luminous thing look like a mess.
Finally! Glad to see Tabata out. And the news of DLCs being cancelled, of course. It's time to stop wasting resources on FFXV & give future FFs back to people with a real artistic vision. Will probably take SE some time to recuperate from all the losses and, I imagine, inevitable reorganisations and reshuffling of resources & ppl, but hopefully there'll be a bit more of the focus in how they handle their big games going forward.
Also, pretty much this.
Also, pretty much this.
I don't know how much you know about Japanese culture (I'm an expert), but honor and shame are huge parts of it.
just messing around :)
Its a curse to work on SE created engines for the past 13 years. UE3/4 should have been everything they committed their time to and put all their effort into games.That's what i always thought, no matter how impressive i thought 2012's agni demo was
You know, 33m is a massive loss, i understand ... but i really have to ask how much money Nomura burnt on that whole Versus XIII / XV development and the also long-going KH3 development.
After Tabata stepping in and finally bringing up a game what Nomura seemingly wasn't able to do, i'd say it's a bit ... strange.
Oh well, good luck to him where ever he's going to land.
After Tabata stepping in and finally bringing up a game what Nomura seemingly wasn't able to do, i'd say it's a bit ... strange.
Oh well, good luck to him where ever he's going to land.
The upcoming dlc isn't important in the grand scheme of things. The entirety of the "story" is the royal edition. The upcoming dlc is a prequel if you like the game enough you could get it if not pass.
A damn shame. XV was a mess, but it was a mess I enjoyed.
Though I guess this means I can work on my replay of the game sooner rather than later.
Still, it'll probably be best that we move on from XV. SE have kept very coy about XVI and after the rocky development of the past games I can see why. And Tabata will bounce back. XV was a notable improvement over the clusterfucks that were Type-0 and (from what I've read) The 3rd Birthday, so he might just be better with a new company and IP altogether.
Though I guess this means I can work on my replay of the game sooner rather than later.
Still, it'll probably be best that we move on from XV. SE have kept very coy about XVI and after the rocky development of the past games I can see why. And Tabata will bounce back. XV was a notable improvement over the clusterfucks that were Type-0 and (from what I've read) The 3rd Birthday, so he might just be better with a new company and IP altogether.
KH3 is fine and well along, and will in all likelihood do very well in Jan.
Can't say I saw that coming.
No more FFXV DLC doesn't affect me, since it would take "The combat is finally good" patch at the very least to get me interested in playing it.
However, losing someone that actually gets shit down is a huge deal.
Everything else is just part of the development of the game.
No more FFXV DLC doesn't affect me, since it would take "The combat is finally good" patch at the very least to get me interested in playing it.
However, losing someone that actually gets shit down is a huge deal.
He didn't burn much money with KH3, other than that they had to switch engines after a year.
Everything else is just part of the development of the game.
Its not strange when you realize that Nomura has his hand in pretty much almost every major FF game of the past 25 years and shipped far more games than Tabata has, Versus didn't have nearly as much money invested into it as you'd think prior to it being retooled as FF15, and the Versus/15 situation is not something so simple and black and white or tribal a case of Nomura being incompetent and Tabata being competent.
KH3 for all intents in purposes has had the smoothest development of any major console game SE has had in many years, and they had to switch entire engines partway through on top of that.
This is kinda off topic. So since rest of the dlcs are canceled what would I be missing if bought the ff15 royal edition package that they released earlier this year? I was waiting to get the game when it was fully completed which seems like is the case now
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I don't know if this has been talked about, but I thought that the eurogamer report added some intresting detail.
https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/...ts-square-enix-final-fantasy-15-dlc-cancelled
Yeah that's cool, but I'm in no rush and I prefer pulling the trigger when everything is in one package
Their western teams have been doing pretty decently, so they dont really have much to fear, even if they have to stagger Japanese releases. That's been the case for a long time. SE picking up a western branch is possibly one of the smartest things they ever did.
Yes most people wanted to see the story, but as separate DLC? Most people expected it as a free update. I can't imagine many would have actually bought a whole second season pass.
They're doing just fine regardless. The US$33mil writedown ultimately will be a short bump on their performance. Although who knows what kind of effect Tabata's leaving will have on the fate of Luminous.
It really feels like FF is beyond saving. I can't see a turn-around for the series. They need to get their shit together. It was my favorite JRPG series :(
Let's hope Kingdom Hearts turns out good and they can keep the quality of the Dragon Quest games high. And more smaller projects like WoFF, Bravel Default and Octopath can't hurt either.
Let's hope Kingdom Hearts turns out good and they can keep the quality of the Dragon Quest games high. And more smaller projects like WoFF, Bravel Default and Octopath can't hurt either.
Super interesting, I think without Tabata Luminous will get brought back as BD2.
I think the reason Tabata has left is because...SE are making BD2 work on FFXVI, and he wants to do a new IP.
That is upsetting as I was looking forward to that additional episodes and was curious how they were going to handle it. This is a shame how this played out.
Mobile game revenues will keep them afloat. They're not actually in any danger.
So basically they had a livestream to say everything is fucking cancelled? WHAT IS THIS FUCKING MESS? I'm so disappointed guys. They had all the promises for us and now we are only getting Ardyn and the rest are cut. Luna will never be redeemed and we wont get the true ending they were planning. Oh my god, I am done with this fucking game. I had a hell of a time with it but all it is.... is really just a half shell of a masterpiece that was supposed to be complete. You are fucking kidding me that this is the last dlc. All these shitty arse collabs nobody cares about was all they could come up with? God damn.
And yes, I'm mad... before you ask. Thanks for making the game playable at least, Tabata, but your resignation and cancellation of the most desired resolution to the problems of XV is a fucking slap in the face to the fans that followed you.
And yes, I'm mad... before you ask. Thanks for making the game playable at least, Tabata, but your resignation and cancellation of the most desired resolution to the problems of XV is a fucking slap in the face to the fans that followed you.
FF13 was was a mess FF14 was a mess FF15 was a mess.... I have little hope for ff16 and super worry about the FF7 remake
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To be fair, Tabata leaving as a result of SE cancelling or heavily scaling back his dream project doesn't sound too unlikely. This would have been his first chance to work on a game 100% based on his own ideas and concepts after all, and he seemed quite passionate about it.
Regardless, he seems like a nice guy so i wish him the best.
Regardless, he seems like a nice guy so i wish him the best.
This really sucks. I really liked Tabata's knack for tragic ends, but especially loved Type-0 and was always hoping for the elusive Type-Next... Not getting Episode Aranea is tragic as well. Urgh. This is going to hang over me and sour my mood for a while. I hope Square knows what they are doing, and also hope that Tabata can land an influential role elsewhere because I really would like to see his style continue.
Sad, but not surprised that we needed a mod edit in the OP to tell people how to behave in this thread. FF's older fans prove themselves to be trashy and bitter even in a topic like this, despite the subject matter. Sheesh.
Sad, but not surprised that we needed a mod edit in the OP to tell people how to behave in this thread. FF's older fans prove themselves to be trashy and bitter even in a topic like this, despite the subject matter. Sheesh.
The 33 million loss news? If Tabata's resignation was determined by summer then Square doesn't really have any obligations to keep with his original plans, including the 3 canceled DLC which tied into the money lost.
I didn't play XIV, but I agree with XIII and XV. Even if the story and characters from VII won't change that much (I believe), I can see them making a bad game when remaking a good one.
Yeah you're right, Tabata probably woke up one morning, got out of bed and decided "fuck it, cancel everything fuck the fans"
Come on, this is hardly the outcome he wanted.
FF14 has turned around and is getting extremely good reviews every expansion
Well this shoots a hole into the whole he was fired for wasting money idea. Sounds like creative differences and they just cancelled everything he was working on. Doubtful they would have offered him an entire studio if he was such a problem
