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Tabata resigns from Square-Enix. FFXV DLCs canceled (Episode Ardyn still coming) (READ OP)
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Oh man I loved FFXV. Strange way to resign..must of been stuff going on behind the scenes.
Did I misunderstand the statement or did they say they don't want to make any DLC anymore and are just focusing on AAA development now? That's probably a good thing.
Did I misunderstand the statement or did they say they don't want to make any DLC anymore and are just focusing on AAA development now? That's probably a good thing.
Problem is the dude who turned it around is still occupied with it. If he would make XVI I would be less worried.
Apart from the news, I find completely baffling that a company like Square Enix can hype a stream about a popular game just to say that all future work has been cancelled and the director is gone lol
FF14 2.0 was great. FF13 and FF15 being messes also tie into the curse of SE trying to make their garbage proprietary engines at the same time.
KH3 and FF7R are running on a western engine with a proven track record, and KH3 is literally the only game to actually be looking all around sweet for launch, coincidence?
This sounds like it to me based on that Eurogamer article.
I dont think Ardyn even matters to me anymore, personally. He builds on the story of the other characters we were supposed to get in the dlcs. I thought it would finally come full circle. What a fucking huge arse mess. I'm so disappointed.
Square canceled the XV DLC so that Luminous Productions can shift all of their resources entirely towards their next-gen game.
Whether he was fired or not should have no affect on the production of these episodes. SE made the decision to cancel everything with his departure despite the rest of Luminous Productions being there.
Its very clear SE want LP to focus only on AAA titles from now on, not DLC.
What a mess Squarenix, this is why I pretty much hate story driven games releasing in x parts with season pass, DLC should always be an extension of the story and not the story itself.
FFXVI is assumed to be handled by the same business division as the one where FF14 is being made
FF14 2.0 runs on a new proprietary engine, created from scratch alongside and just for A Realm Reborn, by the Luminous devs who literally used parts of Luminous. It was a focused engine solely for that game and not general purpose, which is why its development didn't take as long.
It's the opposite all the Western teams have had flop after flop
They basically killed all their franchises for a second time and are now just making Marvel games for the foreseeable future.
So from that Eurogamer article, this decision was made back in the summer? Also, curious to see why Tabata opted to leave altogether than having Luminous Productions incorporated into SE's business division or spun as a separate entity with SE investment.
Problem is the dlcs were the most promising thing coming to XV. Nobody cared about the shitty collabs and I didnt even touch comrades because I thought it was a waste of dev space. Honestly, it's a big fucking mess. I can't look at the game the same way. They pretty much reverted the characters who were supposed to be developed in the dlcs to the absolute trash they had at launch.
I never understood what was the point of the rebranding/segregation of Luminous P in the first place, lol.
Frankly, I don't see why SE would cancel the remaining FFXV DLC if he left voluntarily. That they don't replace him with someone different from the XV team implies to me they aren't convinced of the additional resources spent on XV on a management level.
It'd also be somewhat weird for Tabata to just leave the company half a year after they've built a new AAA studio around him.
Which also poses the question: What. The. Fuck. Happened.
What happened behind the scenes that SE and/or Tabata go from building up Luminous Productions and trying to establish a new AAA IP to him leaving all of a sudden? I guess it's possible prototypes for his IP completely failed to convince the higher ups and he left to save face or something along those lines.
Still, weird. It's a rather weird type of compliment, but Tabata at least got shit done and that's a quality SE seems to lack these days.
Every time Tabata is mentioned I can't help thinking about that crazy troll thread by a user who hated him, and wanted to bait others into attacking him
This is weird though. DLC's werent even directed by him, rest of the staff is still there. They should be able to go on with in, with or without Tabata.
The DLC wasn't canned because Tabata isn't there, I think it's mostly SE just wanting to stop pouring money onto FFXV stuff.
I also assume the Aranea and Luna DLCs were behind schedules. I mean, Ardyn is going to be released, and Aranea was supposed to come only one month after it (and Luna another month after it). There shouldn't be that much of a different in development progress unless they were behind schedule, something not as hard to imagine considering Comrades expansion is also behind the announced schedule.
True.I guess SE are just shitty trying to make multipurpose engines work for multiple games then
FFVII Remake is headed by Business Division 1. This situation has 0 effect on that game.
Nomura's team doesn't have anything to do with Tabata or Luminous P, his teams are BD1 and Osaka team. I dont really know what Osaka team will do after KH3 is finished and whatever smaller content they are wanting to release for it. perhaps go work on FF7R with BD1? Although that's probably unlikely due to how far away they are from tokyo. Perhaps a new IP or something
Hahaha, what?
This was Business DIvision 2, and they spun it off SIX MONTHS AGO!
"Actually, we made a functionally irrelevant business change to make this business division into a sub-studio for no reason, and have now completely changed our minds six months later. We now want to bring the company back in as a regular business division. Alternately, we can spin off this company all together."
?????
Luna and Noctis were an alternate ending of the main story that already started with the alternate ending in Ignis DLC IIRC.
Aranea was just a side story of her.
Nirolak gave the idea that SE wants a group to make non SE games.
Matsuda mentioned in the past that it's hard to hire/get employees to think of doing new things/ideas because they are fixated on that's not "Square Enix idea".
It means nothing for VII Remake but I still see that in shambles.
It was recommended to not create multiple games alongside an engine in development that hadn't released a game yet (this is why Crystal Tools failed). By the time XV released, KH3 and VII-R were already in development.
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So.. did they really hype up a stream to tell that Tabata is out, most of the DLC is cancelled, PC version of Comrades is fucked and mod tools are propably dropped...?
Wish I knew. This really bums me out, feels like they hung Tabata out to dry.
XV was not perfect, but I enjoyed it, and the DLC. At least he got it released, more than Nomura would have done.
Here's my theory:
Hajime Tabata says in his letter that he is leaving Square Enix to start a company to work on something other than Final Fantasy which he cant do at Square Enix.
Hajime Tabata got his own studio Luminous which would make a big new IP Tabata has always wanted to create. Square Enix said they restructured Luminous which resulted in a $33M loss.
Maybe... that $33M loss restructure was cancelling the new IP in exchange for something safer (another Final Fantasy game like Final Fantasy XVI) and he was upset that his project was cancelled so he quit.
Hajime Tabata says in his letter that he is leaving Square Enix to start a company to work on something other than Final Fantasy which he cant do at Square Enix.
Hajime Tabata got his own studio Luminous which would make a big new IP Tabata has always wanted to create. Square Enix said they restructured Luminous which resulted in a $33M loss.
Maybe... that $33M loss restructure was cancelling the new IP in exchange for something safer (another Final Fantasy game like Final Fantasy XVI) and he was upset that his project was cancelled so he quit.
Worse still, that Eurogamer quote seems to indicate that the tabata departure happened at the end of summer (so august? september) which means it was even less than six months.
End of TABATA ERA :/
holy shit I remember that thread. "The fuck off Falk" part still kills me lol.
Damn, a true Tensai until the end uh...
More seriously, it sounds like Luminous Studios has been a bad idea that was made just to follow his vision. Hopefully S-E can recoup their losses, because that seems to have been a waste of money so far.
Shame for the FFXV DLC being cut, especially Aranea as she was easily one of the best characters in the game, but also not too surprising as they were bonus episodes and were never planned from the start.
More seriously, it sounds like Luminous Studios has been a bad idea that was made just to follow his vision. Hopefully S-E can recoup their losses, because that seems to have been a waste of money so far.
Shame for the FFXV DLC being cut, especially Aranea as she was easily one of the best characters in the game, but also not too surprising as they were bonus episodes and were never planned from the start.
That does make sense. And doubly ironic now that they're probably folding them back in to create more SE games.
What a shitshow.
I suspected something was up when they reported that $33m loss. What was the point of launching Luminous Productions if they were going to pull the plug on all these projects a few months in? Swear to god, this dude had the most thankless job at Square-Enix, I hope he can finally get some well-deserved rest.
I suspected something was up when they reported that $33m loss. What was the point of launching Luminous Productions if they were going to pull the plug on all these projects a few months in? Swear to god, this dude had the most thankless job at Square-Enix, I hope he can finally get some well-deserved rest.
This is confusing, and came out of left field.
Dammit SE, what is going on over there? They can't seem to manage their projects well.
As for the cancellations, I am actually not upset, as Episode Ardyn is the one I'm most interested in (and, I'm sure, others feel the same). So at least we get this episode, and then we can move on.
I'm really curious as to what happened with Luminous Productions. I hope Schrier or someone would do some digging to find out the story.
Dammit SE, what is going on over there? They can't seem to manage their projects well.
As for the cancellations, I am actually not upset, as Episode Ardyn is the one I'm most interested in (and, I'm sure, others feel the same). So at least we get this episode, and then we can move on.
I'm really curious as to what happened with Luminous Productions. I hope Schrier or someone would do some digging to find out the story.